http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x52EFoBUQbE
I just watched his junior highlights. I could not be more impressed. It is one of the best QB videos I have seen. He shows great arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence, mechanics, and plenty of elusiveness to run the spread option. He's not Braxton, he's more of a Troy Smith (what is wrong with that?) He is far better mechanically than most QB's we've had come through the system. I honestly don't understand how he hasn't been offered yet. I am not Urban and I don't claim to know more than him of course, but I've been around the game my entire life and if it was my call I would have offered him yesterday. In comparison, I watched Drew Barker and DeShaun Watson's jr. videos too, and I would still put Henderson as my #1 on the board. Just my two cents.
ive always liked henderson over barker for sure but im on the watson bandwaggon. id be happy with any of the 3
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I'd rate them
1. Henderson
2. Watson
3. Barker
My only hesitation is whether or not he has the ability to run an Urban Meyer system that doesn't have to be changed specifically for him. We need guys that can step up and perform. I need to see proof that he can at least be a Tebow-level athlete at the next level.
Agreed. Doesn't look that mobile for the type of system you guys run. He could be good enough to step in for a few games if needed to fill for an injured QB ahead of him on the depth chart.
Watson is clear cut #1 for me talent wise and can't underestimate Meyer's recruiting ability because his track record speaks for itself. With that said Watson didn't visit when he was supposed to visit and continues to say he is solid to Clemson. I would go ahead and take a commitment from a talented guy like Henderson and be happy about it.
He's 6'3 and 220. I'm guessing at 4.7 guy. He may not blow by people like Braxton, but he might me able to run over them ala tebow or el guapo.
I would say a more accurate time based on what I saw on the highlight film would lead me to say 4.8ish range. Without a doubt I would say 4.7 to 4.9.
Watson is unequivocally the number one quarterback on our board, but I'd definitely put Henderson as the second guy.
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That is why I am hoping we get him here at Nebraska. He is visiting us soon.
Looks like he's playing against JV teams.
I'm sure there is better film on him. From this video I don't think we are "out recruiting the room" if we go all in on Henderson. Don't get me wrong. The kid looks good, I just don't see him starting in the Shoe. If we want a backup QB we are recruiting plenty to play safety and slot.
Edit: I do expect down votes for my opinion.
Do you prefer Drew Barker? Because I can assure you Henderson's level of competition is, on aggregate, better than Barker's
I agree. I don't think either of them are of the caliber that Urban is looking for. Look at the numbers Timmons put up. He had great buckeye fan fare, and some thought that he should have gotten an offer. I admit I was one of those people. We ended up flipping the #1 player in Texas, that was doing the same thing, but in TEXAS. I have faith in the coaching staff. If Henderson and or Barker do not have offers it's because we want someone better.
No downvote from me, but the poster above is correct, the competition he plays against is better than Barker's. I guess I want a QB that can throw a great ball and run pretty well, than a QB that throws ok and is electric on the ground. The truth is, that if you recruit a QB that is a super athlete, but can't throw, opponents will load up the box. If you have a QB that can pass they are forced to respect that and can't load it up. Sometimes a very good runner against a 6 or 7 man front will outgain on average a great runner forced to go up against an 8 man front (see Robinson, Denard). Now with that said, I am not talking about Watson, he can throw too. I'm referring more the idea that we have to recruit QB's that have that Braxton x- factor only. Meyer has proved he can win with an Alex Smith type or a Tebow type as well. In my opinion, Watson would be just below Henderson and I'd love to have either one. What I don't want to do is pass on Henderson while waiting on someone who I don't believe will leave the south.
I respectfully disagree. Yes Urban won with Alex Smith, but for his run heavy read option, it is more important to have an electric runner at QB. I see it being a little easier to correct mechanics and teach a kid how to be a better passer than it is to teach him how to be "electric". Having said that, I think it comes down to being pretty confident at the position to be able to wait on the entire package. With Braxton possibly returning for his senior season, the staff praising Jones, and Barrett redshirting I think we could miss out on a QB this year. I also happen to be one of the minority that believe that Darron Lee could step in and play well at QB if need be.
As for Denard... He should have never been behind center unless it was some sort of wild bear-rat play.
I have seen barker play once, against franklin county high, he does seem to have a very strong arm.
After talking to a few people today, I'm thinking if another quarterback gets offered, it very well could be Caleb Henderson.
The big word you used was "IF". From the looks of things I think the staff believes they are going to flip Watson and he is the only guy they're going to offer. They might offer somebody late in December or January, but that'd be a long shot.
I can see this happening too. Barker not getting an offer and only visiting schools who have offered tells me all I need to know. If Henderson comes this weekend and all goes well, I can see him possibly leaving with an offer. I had a feeling this may happen when D.Watson's visit was canceled weeks ago. We'll see but in all actuallity...I'm not worried about this QB for 2014 class as everyone else is. J.T. Barrett and C.Jones will be fine IMHO...along with the walk-on QBs in 2012/2013 and whomever comes on board this year (Henderson or another recruit).
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A lot of people said, "Meyer will never use big backs, his system is built for small speedsters like Rainey and Demps" -- cue Carlos Hyde with near 1000 yards rushing. Then people said, "Meyer will never recruit big backs, he's inevitably going to go back to a system built on small speedsters like Rainey and Demps" -- cue our hot pursuit of 6'3" 225 Jalen Hurd.
I don't know why it's impossible to believe that he'd consider recruiting a pass-first QB with some (not a lot) of mobility like Henderson for something of a more Air Raid version of his spread if Watson isn't available. To me it'd actually be a good idea in the event that Barrett doesn't quite become what we're hoping at the college level (though I certainly think he will). Recruit someone with a bit of a different skillset and see where that takes us. Henderson's 40 and shuttle times are actually very reminiscent of Tajh Boyd -- I could see the offense potentially going in that direction if Barrett doesn't work out and Henderson is next in line. If Barrett does work out, perhaps they'll have a good crop of dual-threat guys to choose from in the 2015 class to insert one after Barrett's career at OSU winds down.
I would love to see Urban evolve his offense, but I would rather see it come, as it did with Hyde, from Braxton becoming an elite passer. Seeing that evolution could possibly intrigue him enough to look for that pass first and secondary or even tertiary runner (if there is such a thing).
I agree with you. I think all things change at some point. I like the way Urban is always looking to add to his offense yet keep the same concept of getting the ball into the hands of the playmakers in space. He is definitely not just trying to rehash what he had at Florida. Last year he added tempo. He has stated he liked what he saw from the 9ers and was going to add some of that this year. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he went after a QB like Henderson. I was just stating my opinion that this film (hopefully) doesn't do him justice. Looking at some of his throws reminds me of Denard throwing the ball up for grabs, and a few guys playing DT looked like they were better suited for small forward if they were taller. Like I said jut my opinions.
Just FYI, Henderson's school, Lake Braddock Secondary, is a Division 6 school, the division with the high schools with enrollment over 2000 in the state. Enrollment at LB is around 3800. (Their big rival has 4200 enrollment.) They play big boy football, along with the other members of their district. Their coach is well known and well respected in Northern Virginia. They won the VA Division 6 state championship in 2010 (before Henderson got there).
Not to be too nitpicky here, but not all D6 schools are over 2000. Also, LB's high school population is roughly 2500 and their rival (I assume you mean Robinson) is at 2700. Henderson's district competition is okay but the Patriot district is not on par with the Concorde.
Henderson looks good but he's not on Watson's level, IMO.
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Perhaps I should have termed it at approximately 2000- the smallest Div. 6 high school in Northern Virginia is within 87 students of 2000-the handful of others under 2000 are within a spit of it. The majority are over 2000. As to populations, the website I used unfortunately included the total middle school and high school populations for both schools, as they each are secondary schools, with grades 7-12. Even though Patriot is not as strong as Concorde, Lake Braddock did play 4 out of the top 5 Concorde teams.
I was not comparing Henderson to Watson, as I really don't care that much. Somehow the coaches will figure it out without my input (sarcasm font on). I was responding to those who are unfamiliar with Henderson's competition versus Barker's competition.
I like Darius wades video.. Kid could be a sleeper recruit and potentially be a steal
I think with the dynamic offensive talent we have coming in, we no longer need the QB to be the most dynamic playmaker in the offense. Having Braxton back there is going to be awesome to watch, but in the future, I would say that someone like Henderson, who looks to be a great passer, could get enough done with his legs to be serviceable in the offense. We are going to have fast H-backs, and slot WRs, etc. so there will not be as much pressure on the QB to break big runs. I could see him in the offense.
Exactly, Braxton was a crutch for the offense because it couldn't generate big plays any way else. If the QB can throw this offense becomes a lot more potent than if he can just run. Obviously he has to be threat to run, but by no means does he need to be the best runner.
Does his offer come this weekend or do they wait until summer to evaluate other kids at camp? Or do they wait longer on Watson?
I don't see an offer going out this weekend, but its certainly possible.
Can the fact that Urban has made multiple offers at every position mean that taking a QB isn't a high priority this year? I would have to think at this point he only plans on taking one elite QB in this class. Personally I'm not that worried if we don't take a QB. I think Braxton will have two very capable backups his senior year. The only thing I can see shaking up the whole situation is if JT leap frogs Jones and Jones decides to transfer out.
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Or the contrary: That the position is so much more important that the staff is exercising a stricter scrutiny of the candidates. All that we know is that the staff doesn't seem to be easing up on the recruitment of the top targets, and that Urban wants to take one or more every year
I still say it's stupid that only one QB has been offered. Even if Watson is eventually swayed it won't be until after the season, which is obviously several months away. By then all the remaining top QBs will be committed elsewhere, Henderson, Allen, Barker & Kizer. I have a feeling the Ulmer will be the one who commits, and he's the last one I want.
I thought so too Weimerad, then I re-watched JT Barrett's junior highlights again (it'd been several months for me) earlier today. Barrett was 2013's Watson, possibly even better than Watson (heresy, I know haha). I personally feel that Barrett has similar arm-strength, maybe a tinge less accuracy, but I'd give him the edge as a runner over Watson, myself -- at least back when Barrett was fully healthy. Unless there's some sort of blip in Barrett's recovery, no way he isn't at least a 2 to 3-year starter at OSU (assuming Brax leaves after his senior year), in which case the QB we get in 2015 matters much more than the QB we get in 2014. If Barrett reaches the potential I think it's fully-realistic he could reach, the 2014 QB likely won't get more than 1 year as starting QB between Braxton and then Barrett.
IMO - Offer this kid.
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It's hard for me to get excited for any of these QBs before their senior year.
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This kid is "tebow-esque". He has size, a little speed, can play read option and can throw. Thing I like is his "happy feet". His feet never stop moving on reads. Hope he gets an offer
If he were "Tebow-esque", Meyer would have already offered him a scholarship.
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I think he is more like Alex Smith, IMO.
Alex Smith was great for Urban, and IMO is one of the most talented QB's in the league, he just had to deal with something like 7 different coaches/coordinators in his first 7 years. Once he got targets, he thrived, then he got screwed this year. He'll do great in KC.
But yeah, I'd love to have a guy like Smith running the offense. Great at passing, fast enough to be a threat running the ball, and above all, making the right reads. That's what Smith was so great at his second year under Urban.
With that said, I was REALLY hyped when Barrett committed. Shame that he got hurt, but I think he's going to be really, really special in this system. He doesn't have straight-line speed like Braxton, but he's going to be a tank, and he's got some great moves in the open field. And a great arm. Also, apparently he's a fantastic leader as well, and will probably pick up the playbook very quickly.
Obviously, Watson is #1 on the staff's board, but I think Henderson is definitely the second guy. I'd be happy with either, but again, I think Barrett is going to be really, really good.
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Ah no! You have no idea what you are talking about obviously. I've watched every game of Alex Smiths career as a Niner and he is not even close to being one of the most talented QB's in the league. He was covered up like a blemish in 2011 because of Harbaugh and all the talent around him(like Sanchez's first 2 years). He is about an average to slightly above average QB.
You don't get passed up by second year Pistol QB's if you're "one of the most talented QB's in the league". As for him in K.C..I think he'll be just about what he was his first 5 seasons with the 49ers..ok but not good enough.
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Alex Smith was great at Utah and led them to an undefeated season. If Henderson can come to OSU and do the same thing I will be extremely happy. I don't care what Smith has done in the NFL.
Technically that would be Cam Newton.
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Obviously my opinion not meyers. And a vague one at that
I'm really hoping the kid gets an offer here. I personally (I know the staff has their own time table and agenda) don't want to wait around forever on Watson and then miss on some great QB's. QB's are comparable to pitchers is baseball. If you don't have a great pitcher or QB, you will not have a very good team. It's plain and simple. Let's get Henderson of Kyle Allen signed up, bring them and redshirt them a year, then let them have compete for the job in their second year.
Just a side note, I think Barrett is going to be a stud and lead the Buckeyes for 2-3 years.
Does anyone have premium to Bucknuts? Bill Kurelic just post an article about Urban telling Henderson where things stand on the QB watch list
Per a few posts on twitter, he is #1 qb on ohio states list without an offer. But no offer yet. Urban wsntshim to come to camp.
How good is the level of competition he is playing against? If you watch at the 1:48 mark the D-line is pathetic. The running back just stood there without blocking anyone. He just stopped and took a break.
Ohio State told Caleb that they won't be making any decisions on the QB situation until later this spring.
Meyer wants to see him throw and talk to him at camp. Caleb says that he expects to be back in CBus for camps.
Henderson plans on visiting Miami (FL) & Boston College next.