Urban let it be known we all need a better recruiting B1G. And let it be known he will be discussing things with the other B1G coaches. He is getting thrashed by 90% of opposing fanbases. Here are a couple examples.
Edit: Headline to avoid confusion and/or further headlines
http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/93/Urban-Meyer-on-B1G-recruitin...
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/meyer-will-address-poor-recruiting-b1g-other...
Whoooooooooooo Cares !!!!!?!!!!! What do you want him to be - some spineless apologist? Alpha males make things work.
^ THIS. I totally agree with you Kate.
Weird^^^^
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
haaa I found it kinda funny; think he was just joking around - having a little conversation with himself
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
I was kidding too....to a certain extent;-) Commenting on your own comment is a bit strange...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
He/She's secretly the City Wok guy from South Park
/Duff'd It
^ I lol'd so hard
I like it. Urban isn't at Ohio State to hold hands and sing. He's here to dominate and he wants a challenge in the B1G
^^ THIS ^^
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^ THIS
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An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
^^All of this!^^
^^that and the OTHER thing!
I wish I could upvote this (only 51 helmet stickers away!).
Along with that, he also wants a better strength of schedule to impress the playoff committee.
@ Buckeyes125: I think this is fitting for your comment.
" ... let's beat the shit out of M*chigan." -Urban Meyer-
The same thing was basically happening w/ Buckeye Nation when he was coaching Florida. Everyone hates the best, which is why he's perfect for tOSU!! They're only crying because they know it's game over for the B1G as well as the rest of the nation. Championships are comin' baby!!
I love it! And I love all of you. Every single one of you.
Why? Because we all bleed the same blood...scarlet blood.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
I absolutely love that movie...especially that part and the Rain Man part are my favorite parts besides Stu's Tiger song. Hell the whole movie's great...Hangover two was a bit over the top. Not as good as the original IMO
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Let's be honest, they all pretty much conceeded that Urban is wiping the the floor with their coaches:
-> Excellent point:
Jim Weber@JimMWeber
Can't wait until Dantonio recruits better only to have Urban Meyer steal said recruits.
If Urban is able to "steal" his recruits, than he is obviously not recruiting "better" enough. :-)
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
Funny Stuff
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
My bad on the down vote... Stupid fat fingers. Fwiw, your post made me laugh and I meant to plus one ya!
Tom Crean listens to Nickelback...
If these other schools put in as much effort into recruiting as they do resisting UFM they would be a lot higher in the rankings.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I don't understand the logic of some their posters:
They complain that Urban is a "douche" because he calls out the other B1G coaches on poor recruiting and then poaches their top recruits, thus lowering the quality of their class.
Do they not understand that part of being succesful at recruiting is not only getting a commitment from a top player but KEEPING him committed. This is Urban's exact point, the rest of the B1G (excluding Michigan) is poor at recruiting and if they weren't then Urban wouldn't be flipping their players.
Exactly! A lesser recruiter may have lost Elliot, Munger, and Johnson.
I'd give you five upvotes, if I could, for such flawless logical reasoning.
I think the complaint is that it's somewhat hypocritical to tell Big Ten coaches to recruit better when Meyer poaches some of the great players that they do get. If Urban really cared about how other teams recruit (which I suspect he doesn't), he wouldn't have plundered PSU's class last year or taken Pittman from MSU.
First, I think WAY too much has been made of Urban "poaching" recruits. Pittman and Dodson were both OSU leans before the Tatgate scandal started. They each took a spot, and waited out the storm. With Urban at the helm they climbed aboard. Should they not have done that? When Hoke took advantage of Tatgate to get Kalis away from OSU, there was a lot of acrimony in Buckeye nation directed at Kalis, but I don't remember anybody saying that Hoke was a big ole meanie. Fat? Sure, but everyone understood he was doing his job. PSU was also a unique situation that presumably we will not see again any time soon. And btw, others were recruiting the PSU decommits as well. Urban just did a better job of it.
Second, are these other schools helpless? They can't protect themselves from the mean man who insists on doing his job? Recruiting better means working harder. It means holding on to your recruits regardless of whether somebody else wants them too.
Finally, since I don't expect Dantonio or Ferentz are wasting time posting on message boards (although after looking at their recruiting classes, maybe they are), I would say that the coaches understand that Urban is right. It is the fans that are crying about Urban's comments. And if we want to bring "hypocrisy" into the conversation, I suspect that these very fans who fill their message boards with baseless and defamatory remarks about Urban Meyer would give their left nut --and maybe the right one too-- to have a coach like him.
I really don't think people care enough about football to give their left nut. Anyways, the point was not that poaching is wrong. The point is that is doesn't make a whole lot of sense to criticize coaches for not recruiting elite players when you're taking their elite players. Do you really think Meyer wanted MSU to keep Pittman, or PSU to keep Reeves?
I also disagree with your point that recruiting better means working harder. Do you think other coaches just don't try? Do you think the Minnesota could have a top 5 class if they just tried a little harder?
First, Urban Meyer did not take "their players" because neither Dodson nor Pittman belonged to anyone. Furthermore, it doesn't seem like the point should be this difficult to digest, but here it goes again; it is neither hypocritical nor illogical for Urban to suggest that other teams need to recruit harder after "poaching" a recruit from that team. Do you really believe that Urban is saying that he wants MSU to recruit players at the expense of OSU? Hejust thinks that the losers shouldn't accept losing quite so readily. We lost Anzalone to ND this year. No problem, we just picked up Mike Mitchell instead. We lost Lewis Neal to LSU. No problem, we got Tyquan Lewis in his place. That's what working hard means. Of course, sitting around bemoaning the fact a year later is also an option for some though it does seem less productive.
Finally, I don't think Minnesota can recruit a top 5 class next year, but I see no reason that the Gophers should concede that they can never get a top 5 class. Look at what Ole Miss just did. There was a time that Minnesota and MSU could claim to be national powers, why shouldn't they be able to rise to such prominence again? OSU has certainly had its own ups and downs since the Woody Hayes days, but the program and its fans and alumni have always expected and demanded excellence. OSU wants to be the best. That is always the goal. This attitude rankles some, and earns us that favorite imprecation of the internet, "delusional", but that attitude has also kept the program moving upward even during the down seasons, and always at least within striking distance of the summit.
So let's recap your recruiting advice for the rest of the Big Ten:
1. Don't concede that you won't get a top 5 class (no evidence presented that coaches are conceding anything).
2. Work harder (no explanation for what this means other than getting good players, which is just circular reasoning, nor any evidence presented that other coaches aren't working hard).
3. Expect and demand excellence (generic statement with no explanation for how fans "expecting excellence" would help a team like Minnesota recruit better players).
4. Don't accept losing so readily (No evidence that any Big Ten coaches do this, nor that Urban thinks they do).
Sorry, but your whole post reads like something from a self-help magazine. Unless you can give specifics as to what Big Ten coaches need to do without throwing out stale sports cliches, it's hard for me to conclude that the recruiting disparity is due to anything other than traditional reasons: Prestige, coach recognition, resources, demographics, etc.
I'm not sure you appreciate just how poorly the B1G recruited this year. Here is a short list of teams that finished ahead of Wisconsin and MSU according to Rivals:
Ole Miss, Washington, Oregon, Vanderbilt, Miss St, Pitt, OKSU, Baylor, WVU, Arizona, ASU, Rutgers, Arkansas, Mizzou, Virginia, Kentucky, Maryland, TCU.
The above list just includes teams that I don't think can be argued to have any advantage over a team like MSU or Wisconsin in either prestige or demographics or in some cases both. In some cases like TCU of OKSU coach recognition could be a factor, in other cases perhaps resources play a factor, but I won't be researching the budgets of each AD. However, both coach recognition and allocating resources are precisely what I mean by working harder. Hire the right coach, invest in facilities, allocate the resources. It worked for Oregon. No reason it shouldn't work for the Golden Gophers.
Again, zero specifics, other than "hire the right coach" and "allocate resources." Also, I find it very interesting that you use MSU and Wisconsin as examples. One of those teams recently had back to back 11 win seasons, and the other has been to three straight rose bowls. Tell me, when is the last time our stellar recruits went to a rose bowl?
Btw, do you seriously believe that places like Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Arkansas don't have an advantage in terms of demographics?
You mean zero specifics other than the specifics provided. If you would like to see a spread sheet on the allocation of funds at various B1G universities feel free to do your own research. The "interesting" choice of Wiscy and MSU was deliberate. Considering the moderate degree of success each program has had over the last couple years, one might expect them to take advantage of that success in recruiting. Umm, 2009 OSU beat Oregon. And finally, do you seriously believe Arkansas, Mississippi, and Kentucky DO have a demographic advantage? If so, what exactly is that advantage?
WoodyHayesHaymaker wrote:
Win a lot more big non-conference games. That's ultimately how we evaluate past recruiting efforts. It's fun for us to speculate on why the talent sucks so bad at places like Minnesota and Indiana ("prestige . . . resources, demographics), but they're just excuses when mentioned by coaching staffs. Those coaches are the ones who need to come up with their own improvement strategies, not us, not Urbz. It doesn't matter if they do, or do not, accept or concede anything. They need to deliver.
Finanlly, someone I agree with. All this bullshit about "working harder" is complete nonsense. It's about winning games and building a reputation.
What about the fact the Gravy Hoke "poached" from Nebraska, Illinois AND Penn State?
I don't think "getting hammered" is the right way to characterize it from the Mgo-folks. A lot of people think he's spot-on in his assessment of B1G recruiting, myself included. In fact, a lot of people think Meyer, as a great recruiter, is well within his rights to address it with B1G coaches.
Where the gray area lies (I personally don't think it's *that* big a deal) - is telling a reporter that he's gonna take the entire conference to task at the coaches' meetings. He's kind of putting them on blast before even talking to them. While that may be a kick in the ass for some coaches - others are gonna resent the hell out of it.
Maybe they'll resent it enough to remember it and do better next year. In the B1G Football Final 2013 Recruiting Rankings that Derek posted yesterday, he stated this very telling fact about the state of recruiting in the B1G
If the B1G is chasing the SEC (and they are), they are losing and unless they drastically improve, starting with recruiting, they will continue to lose.
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
This isn't only a result of poor B1G recruiting, though. This is also the HUGE location advantage that the SEC has with Texas and Florida right next door. Only 8 of Rivals top 50 players in Florida left the South. Only 5 of Georgia's top 50 left the south (7 if you don't include Oklahoma). Ten of Texas's top 50 left the South.
There are a couple common themes: OSU, ND, USC, and UCLA (believe it or not). The problem is that the rest of the B1G is suffering from a disadvantage - Illinois, Iowa, NW, MSU, Indiana, Minnesota - they're FAR from these places, and they don't have the footprint or the legacy to do what OSU and Michigan have done. Nebraska and Wisconsin do, but they're shitting the bed. Penn State is a whole different animal.
The question here is - what comes first - winning with less-touted players? or better recruiting to get the more highly-touted ones?
The program helps too, but look at what Zook was able to recruit to Illinois. He was just a piss poor coach. I think a HUGE part of the problem is the coaching staffs. They have to have better assistant coaches on the road recruiting. To get that they need to pay more money. The coaching staffs at much of the B1G schools are just horrible.
I don't think Urban is suggesting Illinois needs to pull off what Ole Miss just did. But there is no reason they shouldn't be able to consistently be in the top 20 recruiting wise. There's no reason why most of the B1G shouldn't be in the top 20. If Kentucky can almost crack the top 25 in recruiting, there's no reason why Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa(who used to be great at recruiting), and others should be able to achieve top 20 classes every year with a top 10 class once in a while. Getting solid classes, and having them coached correctly will go a long way. None of those programs need to come out and have a top 5 class next season but a couple years in a row with Purdue getting a top 20 class will make their overall quality of play much better, and ultimately lead to them getting better classes in the future. They have a coach that can do it, but I question their whether their assitants are good enough to pull in good talent.
One thing I did note: The top 3 players in Illinois - Treadwell, Pocic and Ty Isaac - ALL went to schools outside the Midwest. THAT is a problem for the Illinois schools.
Yep, I mean if Illinois had a competent staff and retained those 3, wow all the sudden they may have a top 10 class, definitely top 15.
The fact that the b1g schools let Treadwell the #1 receiver in the country leave the midwest makes my stomach turn.
Yes but Ole Miss had deeper pockets this year!
That is the question. The perception of the B1G will not improve unless:
B1G teams can win on the national stage (Michigan didn't help any this year)
The SEC is de-throned
Big-name coaches take over
Eliminate the BAD losses
Win, win, win...but probably need to have 3-5 solid contenders and not just beating each other up.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Yeah, Nebraska has lived off Texas and Florida recruits when they've been a power (and Chicago-area recruits too, given Illinois's chronic issues in staying good). They've really fallen way off, to the point that their fans are going to start blaming the B1G for "ruining" them before long, if they aren't already.
But I don't know that the SEC schools have ever been a major player inside Texas, until they actually went and got themselves a Texas school.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
I'm not just talking about the SEC. I'm talking about recruiting as a whole. The B1G is competing against EVERY Texas school for those recruits. As well as Oklahoma, as well as the SEC, as well as the rest of the Big 12, and so on. The SEC is in power, sure, but you don't have to take recruits from just them to get back to glory. You can take them from any conference.
"There are a couple common themes: OSU, ND, USC, and UCLA (believe it or not). The problem is that the rest of the B1G is suffering from a disadvantage - Illinois, Iowa, NW, MSU, Indiana, Minnesota - they're FAR from these places, and they don't have the footprint or the legacy to do what OSU and Michigan have done. Nebraska and Wisconsin do, but they're shitting the bed. Penn State is a whole different animal. "
That's the ticket. We just need 3-5 teams to be solid. If you look at the SEC it's really Alabama, LSU and Florida doing all the heavy lifting. Georgia is always good but underachieves, Ark had a good 2 years or so, Auburn had 1 good year in the last 50.
The B1G just needs need a Nebraska and/or Wisconsin and/or PSU (when not on death bed) to step up with OSU and Mich. You have a couple of staples and then a random team to cycle up every couple of years and BOOM. You're back baby. Just need 3-5 big boys to win a few on the big stage.
I thought this post (Urban Getting Hammered) meant Urban was out celebrating after closing out an awesome recruiting class. I wanted to find out where and buy a round!
Yeah me too...I was kinda hoping there would be a pic up of Urban and the "Silver Fox" Coombs drinking together at the VC
coombs is too busy trying to beat the alabama secondary coach on a daily basis, he hasnt time to drink and celebrate. he is my favorite assistant coach. he makes me want to run through a wall and turn around and rebuild it and do it again.
Edit: Headline changed so as not to provide another issue. Someone will take that and start a "Urban has drinking problem" article......
I was so excited when I read this headline...and then let down. I had imagery of Urban Meyer whiskey drunk in a bar calling everyone "giggle-f*cks".
Found it interesting to hear Urban Meyer speak, on a recruiting discussion with Jim Lachey and Paul Keels, that in terms of recruiting, the Big 10 plays too many Saturday noon games. He said it was hard to get recruits in to visit and see games at the stadium, when they have to travel to the schools after many times a Friday night high school game, and have to there and checked in before noon, sometimes times before 9:00 am if they hope to visit with the coaching staff, before the Noon game is played. Urban said he would bring it up to the Big 10 offices and other coaches, that he thinks there should be more 3:30 P.M. and later games played. He also said he was in favor of more night games, claiming the atmosphere is just so much better. Urban said recruits that saw the OSU/Nebraska game got a whole different experience than recruits that came to visit and saw OSU play in a typical noon game (Michigan asside).
Great point about Urbz questioning the 12 noon game logistics. I'm guessing that Urbz's motivation for blasting B1G recruiting on the radio and saying that he'd bring it up at coaches meetings was to set the table for discussing that issue, not so much that he's going to lecture them on the importance of recruiting approaches, etc.
If I'm guessing right, maybe there's a professional negotiator among the 11W commentariat who might explain why Urbz's tactic could be effective in pushing for later games? Going into the next coaches meeting, he gets all the coaches riled up, but then he immediately downshifts into game times, which feels like a polite concession on his part?
Don't care. He is 100 percent right.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I for one am glad he's addressing it. Urban is going to take who he wants (though UM will nab a few it seems) and the rest gotta expand their range to grab some better kids.
Saw this post and was hoping it was a twitpic from Pantoni of the post-NSD party at the Vrabels of Urban all crunk.
Urban is spot on, its sad to see 3 teams in the top 25, no way the B1G will compete with the SEC or others if they recruit like a MAC school. Besides scUM, none of the other programs are doing squat, and not getting great players to up competiiton, that hurts TOSU in strength of schedule.
Pay It Forward!
Actually a lot of Buckeye fans (and others) blasted Urban when he was at Florida for the way that he recruited and his "arrogant" attitude. I've always been a fan of his because I look at the coaching style. I love the tell-it-like-I-see-it mentality. Sometimes people don't like to hear the truth. If you want the Big Ten to stop being a national joke then do something about it and quit making excuses.
This makes me so glad that I'm not a fan of another school. They seriously feel justified saying that Urban should keep his mouth shut about their recruiting, and while he's at it stop taking their recruits.
If you followed Urban's advice, URBAN WOULDN"T STEAL YOUR RECRUITS because you're recruiting better!
Also, for kicks, one of their brilliant minds dared say that Urban shouldn't say anything to Kirk Ferentz because, get this, he's been coaching in the B1G for 15 years.
Is this real life? The B1G sucks, why would you not want to get better?
WB
I love how The Mgobloggers go off on a side note. "What do you do for a living", "I sell medical equipment and a sociology major" "what kid of equipment". Too funny!
Didn't Hoke say something also about the recruiting in the B1G as well? Isn't he also outspoken about this looser recruiting rules? I don't think its just Urban who is speaking up about the state of the B1G and its recruiting.
Simple minded comments from simple minded people. They take Urban's desire to help the B1G overal as a slight when he really does want the whole conference to do better. But hey, if they don't want to hear it, so be it. Ohio State will just dominate the B1G again for another decade or more.
Love your post SQUIRREL MASTER, completely agree, just have this to add. There were actual level-headed posters on the mgoblog website, among some doozies; but all of the Spartybros whined like their banana-hammocks were dipped in hotsauce. Funny that Urban is already a "cheater" and "filth". I hate sparty almost as much as any other team from that state.
Being a Sparty fan and being a crybaby is a match made in heaven, you'll never be bored you're whole life spartybro. Weep away.
Kentucky had the 27th overall class and their conference rank was 12th!
Urban is the only one with the balls to do this. And they wonder why he can recruit like a mofo.
It's best to avoid 247's boards. The amount of OSU hate/bitterness there makes Mgo, and irishenvy seem friendly.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Clearly Urban's recruiting hasn't lit a fire under the rest of the B1G, he needs to put them on blast, they need to be pissed off about him poaching recruits and being arrogant. In reality, they are probably pissed that he's going to make them work much harder than they used to.
I am willing to give Penn State a pass, based on having to overcome the scholie reduction and bowl ban. But the other nine.....they are all sleeping at the wheel.
I can see the conversation with other coaches. Dantonio or someone else stands up at the B1G meetings and says, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO CALL US ALL OUT. Urban responds by making a fist, where 2 Natty Championship rings are on his hand and says, any other questions????
The real Natty Championship:
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
lol that is more Natty than any one man should consume in his whole life.
Impressive...or scary. Not sure which.
nice picture. I'm not suprised that the room in which the pyramid was built is an absolute pig-sty. Perfect Geometric Construction in a an otherwise land of utter chaos.....College- Keep Calm and Party On!!!!
LOL, the guy with his head back looks to be enjoying the moment a bit too much...
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
Ohio State riled up BigTen fan bases long before Urban got here. He's just added fuel to the fire by going 12-0.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
I can see the Michigan State fans ranting about this, they are one of those teams not recruiting so well. However, I can't believe the scUM fans saying it isn't right. They are in the same boat that we are in. A weak B1G is going to bite somebody in the butt in the next few years, probably us, but it could easily be TTUN as well, or both, seeing that we will probably be playing back-to-back games with them in November for the next few years.
The majority of MGo has the same great insight that is shown on the MSU board. You would think they could see the need.
Not only is Urban building (has built?) a NC quality program, he is trying to put the rest of the B1G on his back and carry it back to respectability. The other coaches should thank him for raising the bar and get their acts together or face perennial doormat status.
First off...just as we have opinions on them....they're going to have opinions on us. I think OhioBorn makes some good points above....
Second off...hater gonna hate ladies and gents....let em. We'll be the ones winning B1G titles...bc we should have last year.
In other words....
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Can't disagree with what Meyer said. After OSU and Michigan (I'll even put Nebraska here for now), the rest of the Big 10 can't recruit and this will hurt the conference overall in the years to come. Yes, coaching is a huge part and you'll have those programs like Stanford that don't recruit well but coach like crazy, but for most programs, it starts with recruiting. Gotta get more B1G teams into the top 10 classes.
Not here to troll...Go Blue
B1G recruiting isn't gonna get any better in the foreseeable future. While I agree that the conference needs to do a better job, I'm not sure they actually can do better.
First of all, Urban is right. If speaking the truth ruffles some particularly delicate feathers, so be it. But what interests me about this topic is what "recruiting better" might look like for the B1G. How can the B1G improve its recruiting? Clearly, OSU and Michigan are not having problems, but these are two traditional powers that tend to cherry-pick the best talent in the midwest --leaving very little for the rest of the B1G-- and have enough of a national appeal to reach outside the B1G footprint. Still the fact that OSU and Michigan can recruit well does not automatically mean they will recruit well, and this is where the root of B1G recruiting problems rests. Coaches. Urban and Hoke are clearly emphasizing recruiting. They work hard at it and demand the same from their assistants. Outside of BOB at PSU --who I think did a pretty impressive job this year considering what he was up against-- it's as if the rest of the B1G coaches concede in advance that they are battling for whoever is not picked up by the big boys. In fairness to Wiscy and Purdue, they got their coaches in late and might do better next year, but Dantonio? He's an established coach at a team that's had some success and he can't bring in a team in the top 30? Embarrassing. Ferentz is beyond embarrassing. Does he even try to recruit? Coaches must work to recruit. It is a cut-throat competition, and you've got to work year round to be good at it, because if you don't, the sleazeballs --aka the guy who actually is working-- will magically "steal" your recruits.
So, what can change the recruiting landscape? Is midwestern football doomed due to shifting demographics? In my opinion, no. All that is needed are aggressive, dynamic coaches. Again I would mention BOB at PSU. That program was moribund under Paterno. If not for the nearly crippling sanctions, BOB could easily have brought in a top 10 class this year, and he soon will if he stays there. Fans around the league should look at what Urban and Hoke and BOB are doing, and instead of whining about "stealing" recruits, and offering platitudes about "doing it the right way", they need to demand that their ADs step up and pony up the cash to bring in a coach who understands that, at the college level, coaching is recruiting. Of course, if they don't, I'm fine with that too. I have no problem with the Buckeyes perpetually dominating the B1G.
Great points on this thread. Then again nothing Urban does is going to get other fans to like him or OSU. We are the Dominant Team in the conference and he is the Rock Star Coach. If you're not part of Buckeye Nation you are going to absolutely hate what is going to happen over the next few years. And I don't think that's an unfair statement.
It's not an unfair statement, but Wisconsin has gone to the last three rose bowls, so I'm not sure how you can say we're the dominant team in the conference right now.
Apparently some people don't like the truth.
SE Buckeye, is that you? If so, good to see how back again. I'm still waiting on your first ever positive comment . . .
No, No, we're not the dominate team right now. Why, it IS Wisconsin! How silly of all of us!
To be the only undefeated team in the country and recruit the top class (or in top 3) is meaningless. Woody politely requests you remove his name from your moniker.
I know I shouldn't attack anyone here but you are so out there I just cannot think you could really believe what you are posting and are only here to agitate. Fido is likely correct.
I think it was the undefeated season that kind of gives us bragging rights. Pissconsin was 8-6, and 4-4 in the B1G, so I guess I see the comparison.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
So we went undefeated and had nothing to show for it. Sorry, but that doesn't equate to a rose bowl for me.
Wisconsin was 1-5 against OSU in the Bert era. I'd call that dominant.
Great, and who went to 3 straight rose bowls? I'm sorry, but I just think this attitude from some of our fans is ridiculous. It's as if because we hired Urban Meyer, we are suddenly dominant. Really? Why? We certainly haven't shown it on the field. Even in our undefeated season, we needed OT to beat Purdue and Wisconsin, beat MSU by 1 point, and struggled against Indiana and a shitty Cal team. Is that dominant? When is the last time we went to a rose bowl? People here need to stop taking things as given. Trust me, I lived through the Cooper years.
I'm all for not having too much optimism but an undefeated season always means something, how can you say that? Wisconsin was better than us admittedly in 2010 and 2011 but last year despite us playing horrible on the road we still won in their barn. We struggled through key games but nobody else went undefeated and great teams often do have hiccups.
All I'm saying is that people need to chill until we actually win something. We are not dominant right now. We may become dominant, but we certainly aren't right now, and I'm not sure how anyone who watched last season could conclude otherwise.
I agree, the offense sputtered through most of the year and while we had our moments it was inconsistent at best. Our defense was terrible in the beginning but I have to say was very good post-indiana. The defense is IMO what was the key, if the defense doesn't improve Michigan probably beats us by two touchdowns.
There is virtually no measure by which Wisconsin equal much less better than the Bucks in recent times or really ever.
Honestly I'm a little ashamed I took the bait but here goes:
BCS Bowls
OSU - 6-3
UW - 2-3
Last year
12-0 vs. 8-5
Last Decade
OSU vs UW - 5-3
Winning % of all schools in FBS
OSU 2nd (2010 counted as vacated) (Boise State 1)
Wisc 14th
Vs. Big 10
OSU 72-16 (.818)
UW 56-34 (.622)
Heismans, National Championship games, Urban (vs. coaching turnover)
I could not care less what other teams and their fans are saying......Meyer kind of knows what he is talking about....if they (other teams) want to settle for being mediocre...let them.
That is the point to a degree. They are mediocre and damnit they're going to stay that way! No one is going to talk them out of it. Fairly easy to understand Urbans idea here but they are mostly blinded by hatred or jealousy or both.
They can't do better. Limited budgets, limited salaries make all the difference in the world, along with the above stated geographic problems. The SEC as a conference makes it a top priority to make sure they are top dogs - and each school is willing to find the resources (money) to pay top dollar to attract the best head and assistant coaches. I just don't think B1G schools care all that much about it. You are NEVER going to see Minnesota, Purdue, IU, etc.. start paying head coaches 4 million/yr, with assistant salaries coming close to 1 million. The B1G as a football conference is what it is, and I don't see it changing in the forseeable future.
They'll be even more riled up when Urban is winning the B1G every year. Guy came in and went undefeated with players not recruited for his system, its only gonna get better.
Honestly, this all comes down to coaching. Obviously we have the Alpha of the B1G. Michigan, Penn State, and I personally think Wisconsin and Purdue all have guys that could be around a long time. They're doing things the right way and bring in great talent. States like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and even Kentucky should be prime recruiting for the B1G, as they have all had several elite players in recent years. Until schools like Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska, Iowa, etc. bring in elite coaches (sorry, but Bo Pelini is not an elite head coach, and clearly neither is Ferentz.), we can expect the same level of mediocrity. I'm sorry, but if you can get kids to play football at places like Auburn or Mississippi State, you can get kids to play in Minneapolis. However, those schools haven't made it any kind of priority and keep settling for average coaches.
NOTE: I respect the situation Fitzgerald is in at NW, and will say he's done amazing with what he has to work with.
Who are you? I dont recognize the avatar...
Its BUCKSFAN, don't you recognize the icon???
EDIT: Too fast on the edit, STEENSN (I know, before you say it: SEC Speed TM)
STEENSN, I am the king of the irrelevant, the jester of the banal, the earl of pointless...if you will.
it's funny that one of the MSU fans mentioned that Urban should schedule tougher nonconference opponents to boost strength of schedule instead of blaming on the rest of the big ten. NEWS FLASH: we have.
Lol, right? Unless they think Urban came in Novemeber 2011 and made our 2012 schedule. Hahah!
With Chip Kelly's departure, it remains to be seen what kind of staying power Oregon will have. However, their example should provide a blueprint to any program that hopes to raise the level of its program. Nobody can tell me that Oregon's home recruiting base is better than any state in the B1G, but they invested MONEY --thank you Uncle Nike-- brought in an innovative coach, played exciting football, and in a few short years established themselves as the "it" program, and top dog in the PAC, passing mighty USC in the process. Why couldn't Illinois do that? Why not Wisconsin? Really, the only answer is they don't have the will to do it. Until they commit themselves to excellence, they won't get there.
Midwestern High school players also need to get better.
Make Will-Way your Way!
Illinois had plenty of top end talent this year, but look where the talent went:
1) Treadwell -- Ole Miss
2) Pocic -- LSU
3) Isaac -- USC
4) Bosch -- UM
5) Tillman -- UM
6) Bailey -- Illinois
The Illini lost 5 players from in state that literally could've played for any program in the country. The talent is there, but really, who wants to play for Illinois right now.
Any chance they stay if Zook were still there? He was a pretty good recruiter.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Illinois drives me batty. They have a solid recruiting base and good money. They try to hire big (or at least semi-big) name coaches, but they just don't pull their weight somehow. They really should be a perennial conference champ contender, but it rarely happens.
A similar list can be made for Indiana:
1) Jaylon Smith -- ND
2) Elijah Daniel -- Auburn
3) Darius Latham -- IU (good job)
4) Tim Kimbrough -- UGA
5) Timothy Gardner -- TOSU!!
Other than TSUN, the rest of the Big Ten fanbase should be riled at their own coaches and program for the piss poor job they do.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
He will also eat their ribs, so watch out:
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
I love ribs...
Who doesn't?
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Calista Flockhart
She's clearly evil.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
If you look at this pic, it seems as Urb is grabbing a rib and then......the rest go to Hoke.
Personally I would love to see an elimination of noon games. 3:30 games, especially later in the fall when the second half becomes a night game, are noticeably more electric from a crowd standpoint. The fact that 3:30 starts helps with recruiting makes this even more of a no-brainer.
Me too, but for more selfish reasons; 1200 games are tough.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
If you listen to the interview, you will notice that Meyer never actually said he was going to address it with other coaches. That was kinda just made up. All he said was that the conference needs to recruit better as a whole.
"This could be productive if he offers constructive solutions rather than just saying that the conference should do better. I'll bet he does the former."
Yes, random Mgo denizen, Urban Meyer is going to tell his competition how to be better at their jobs...
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Maybe not, but he will show them.
if ppl are hating it means your doing something right
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
YOU'RE not doing something right....and that would be knowing the difference between your and you're.
I think the other fan bases are taking what he said out of context which I totally understand and would do the same I was in their shoes. Its like a new kid moves to your school takes your girlfriend and tells everyone they are not trying hard enough to get the ladies. But I think what he meant was that he wants to talk to the other coaches and AD's about the resources they put into their programs that will better recruiting and the programs in general. The BIG makes the most money but is way behind in pay for coaches. The bottom line is these programs need to step up what they pay coaches. Its unrealistic to think that Minny is going to be pulling in top 5 classes, but schools like Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, and Nebraska should be doing better. They need to man up and go get a some good coaches and pay up. Most of the conference is not "all in".
Dan Wetzel wrote about Urban's comments today, and offers a pretty fair take:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--urban-meyer-challenges-big-ten-rivals-to-improve-their-recruiting-230119562.html
I honestly love how much everyone else hates us. The whole us against the world mentality is actually fun.
If they didn't hate us ...that would mean we weren't DOMINATING them!
Was there any doubt that if a picture of food comes along that Brady Hoke wouldn't be somewhere in the IT?........Also.........you cannot tell me that if Urban were at any other school that they wouldn't love to have him, so from my standpoint all this is is jealousy on the part of the other schools
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
Reading through a lot of the comments (mostly MGO) 70% of the windbags on that site are just basically using this non story as an opportunity to make personal attacks on Urban's character and his family...as well as calling him names like 5 year old children....at that point its obvious they have no facts or basis other than being butthurt..
You stay classy MGO!!!
You are right Andy but if you look at what a ttun fan says above, he attests to the fact that MGo says the opposite, saying,
"I don't think "getting hammered" is the right way to characterize it from the Mgo-folks. A lot of people think he's spot-on in his assessment of B1G recruiting, myself included. In fact, a lot of people think Meyer, as a great recruiter, is well within his rights to address it with B1G coaches."
I have went there a couple times trying to find where "a lot of people" support Urban and find full pages that say he is a dick head and self-glorifier. Hope the upvotes the guy received were from the other ttun fans of this site or actually the closet Buckeye fans as we see them. I'll stand by the 10% that understand the sentiment as originally quoted.
yeah..I understand the small percentage of guys that support Michigan on here are pretty fair and carry themselves with class and treat us with respect...it's just the majority of Jackholes over there really get under my skin with a lot of the personal attacks to someones character and who they are based on nothing other than their hatred for OSU....
For instance, we make fun of Brady Hoke for being "fat" and seemingly dumb sometimes as a joke...but I never say some of the stuff they say over there...and its not even a joke..they literally beleive the crap they say over there. Makes me sick
I would like to see urban take the entire conference to task at the coaches' meetings I am imagining something like alec baldwin's glengarry glen ross speech. "Jerry Kill put that coffee down!"
"Build it, and they will come." Hire a proven head coach. Give him the money to build a great staff. Have great facilities. It's sounds simple, but "it's all about the Quan." If you don't have quality to sell, all your doing is standing on a street corner.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Agreed, those fan bases should be clamoring for better recruiting classes from their own coach rather than trashing Coach Meyer. Their energy would be better served. Having a class in the top 20s and 30s is simply mediocre to begin with. Imagine how pissed we'd all be if our class was ranked that low?
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
This also shows what a bunch of losers the rest of Big Ten is (excluding Mich). Meyer is trying to make everyone better and they get their panties in a bunch. They don't like challenges. Meyer is challenging the century old status quo of the Big Ten. Our mentality as a conference needs to change if we ever want to catch the SEC. Keep it up coach!
When the next teams are added to the B1G we need a Fla. St. or at the very least some teams that have ties to the south. Then these kids will have more motivation to seriously consider the B1G as a whole. Then it will be the B1G the SEC and eveyone else.
That's right. The rest of the B1G needs to get better recruiting. TSUN recruited well but the rest need to get with the program, or they can continue to be pathetic. Haters can kiss our asses...and soon our rings.
Class of 2010.
is it can't recruit or is can't coach-when's the last time Boise St had a top flight class. Good to see Purdue get a good coach,and Indiana..it's all about the coach first,then recruiting will follow naturally.
knucklehead
Well-stated Puffy
The number of people on mgoblog who can't spell douche astounds me
And you think they would get it right by now, seeing as it is in one out of every 3 posts lol.
There was another quote a few weeks ago where Urban lamented the fact that he and his coaches hardly ever encountered any other Big 10 coaches in their meanderings through the south, in particular Georgia.
He was basically straight up trying to give them a clue. Like, "Hey guys, there's a ridiculous number of quality players down here, and they ain't all going to Bama or Georgia."
Given the resources the B10 schools are pulling in from the BTN, there's no question that everyone needs to up their game, or they're going to end up killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.
There is NO EXCUSE at all for any B10 program to be lacking in facilities, or lacking in recruiting budget to the degree that they can't go find enough over-looked diamonds in the rough to complement the best of their homegrown talent. That's the formula that Nebraska used in the 70's, 80's and 90's and Iowa did fairly well at under Hayden Fry.
Similarly, the coaching salaries need to come up, especially for assistants.
I think the Big Ten would be wise to earmark a certain percentage of the BTN payout money strictly for the purpose of upgrading the football programs. In other words, you say "Okay Purdue, you HAVE to spend X% of these BTN dollars on football, or you're not getting any of it".
At the very end on all this bs is this.....i'm the AD at Nebraska and i gotta pay to get the softball,baseball,swim,tennis,golf,track,wrestling,basketball,cross country,volly,table tennis teams off to go play rutgers and temple.i know the logistics and numbers pretty good on this.Cincy was a better call.Hell try steal Kentucky and Louiseville.There's to much budget tightening going on right now.States are being squeezed right now and it's going to come to higher education as it is presently at the local level.tv $ only goes so far.
knucklehead
So your Tom Osbourne.
no. and i'm not woody harelson either
knucklehead
That's unfortunate.
Been a Buckeye fan all my life, nothing better than Ohio St football and hoops. But I will never be that guy who just argues irrationally for all things Buckeye. Not the best way to start this reply, as most people will think Im disagreeing with what Urban said, not the case. But its kind of crazy that when dealing with fanbases you can only find maybe 10%(on the high side) that can actually take an objective look at anything from a rival. I just weed through all the same losers who just insert cussword and go team, and see how many intelligent, logical fans can actually decipher something neutral or positive about something that isnt flattering about your team. The Mich fans need to realize that they have only had 1 or 2 good teams since they made the switch from leather helmets. If you aint cheatin you aint tryin. This a huge business these days, everybody is cutting corners. Its not a guarantee, atleast I dont think, that the best cheaters always win, but it seems to be a very good head start. And I as well as most of you and the rest of B1G fanbases understand the SEC bias of ESPN. These other teams fans should understand the more Urban is on, the more they are talking about him or anything involving B1G, its a good thing. Brady Hoke might be the coach of the rival but it seems like Urban he is kind of evolved and understands you gotta throw the old rules out the window. When the rest of these schools, Pres's., AD's, fans, etc. finally realize this the B1G might be able to compete with the SEC as a conference.
I pretty much agree with what urban is saying.
I think it's funny on the mblog all those guys keep talking about Urban poaching/stealing recruits when TSUN "poached" recruits from Neb, Illinois and PSU in this years recruiting class.
I don't necessarily buy the argument that its all about location....not saying it has something to do with it...but I don't think its even close to having everything to do with it.
They really get it. Don't they? Smart bunch.
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/urban-meyer%E2%80%99s-top-11-recruiting-tips-...
Urban is going to be pissing off B1G fans and coaches for a long time. We should just get used to it and enjoy the ride.
Maybe the buckeyes should pull out of the big ten and join the sec?