Well the Clemson staff got their way for now... I'm not sure if they were the exact reason he didn't visit, but it was publicly known that they didn't want him to visit OSU. I'm sure the staff is still trying to work their magic to get him on campus. Is it time for Urban and Co. to entertain other 2014 QB recruits or do we continue to put all of our eggs in one basket?
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If Barker is truely there 2nd guy, then I think you have to start going after him somewhat soon. He wants to make a decision in march/april, so its coming up soon. If we can't get Watson on campus soon, I think it might be time to move on.
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I agree... I read an article a couple of months back saying Barker was getting frustrated with not getting an offer from OSU. He is going to decide pretty soon so we need to start recruiting him a little harder if we can't get Watson on campus.
Unless he immediatly reschedules I think you have to offer Barker.
This is a tough situation. I like Barker, but would obvisouly prefer Watson. What happens if we do offer Barker, he committs, then Chad Morris leaves after this season to take a HC job?
Hopefully we can impress guys like Kitt and Harris enough to get them to start pulling Watson towards tOSU.
Then I guess Watson made the wrong choice. If Watson is acting like he is solid to Clemson then you have to move on. I'm not saying stop recruiting him but I think you have to stop treating him like your only choice, that is unless you are willing to wait a year and alienate any other prospect. I think this is far from over but I wouldn't want to see the staff ignore other guys who are legit.
You cant sit around all day hopeing that happens. Thats how you end up with NO qb in the class. Granted it is a very very fine line.
Worst case scenario is we end up with two highly rated QB's in that situation. My guess, however, is Barker would flip. As long as we don't promise either that we are only recruiting one QB, then I am fine with t.
I see your point, but really thats really not worst case. If we lost out on both because we rode the fence that would be bad. In Urbz we trust!!!
Good point. That would be worse. I guess I am hoping we psh for Barker now and if we get both, or Barker flips, so be it.
It iis a year till signing day. What is the hurry? Lots of time. Who knows what this year will bring. We didn't know about several of this years guys this time last year.
shortbus20
Watson tweeted that he would be enrolling early a couple of months back... Barker our #2 guy wants to commit by March/April... There isn't a ton of time left.
That's true but the staff didn't have nearly the jump on 2013 as they do 2014. Gotta remember it was pretty much a full time effort to close out last year. Going into this recruiting cycle I think the staff has a much clearer idea of who their targets are especially at quarterback. I think the staff should offer Barker and soon. To perfect a fit for the system, not to mention his relationships with other top guys, to not offer him soon. That said Watson is still number one and doesn't mean we need to stop recruiting him so long as we are upfront with Barker from the get go.
@ "shortbus": Dude - I'm not the sensitive type, but I've gotta say - I find your user name and avatar a little offensive. I always try to be extra nice and helpful when presented with a situation with a handicapped citizen. They are people who don't deserve any ridicule. I hope that anybody on here with a handicapped family member doesn't come across your offensive picture.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
Really guy?! Show me ONCE, just 1 TIME, where I made fun of handicapped people. Nice try, dicky.
I was in an accident years ago. I have an arthritic spine, knees, arm and ankles. I just had my eyes operated on yesterday and can barely see, but I get great parking spots. I wasn't offended.
What made me offended was (I am faculty at a college) that I saw some jerk wearing tsun's jacket the other day. What little eyesight that I have was offended by those colors and that capital letter. Get it off my campus.
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Collards<----------If I ever had the opportunity, I like to buy you a drink, my friend! ;) +1
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
You're railing on someone else for the "potential" offensiveness of their username while failing to see how your own user name is "potentially" offensive to women. Ergo "pot calling kettle black". The 11w staff screens user names before approval. Leave them to doing their jobs, which they do quite well in virtually ever facet of this site.
I do not have a family member who is handicapped, but I do volunteer time to time with mentally challenged people. These special people do happen to ride that kind of bus. I did find this, and in general I find the whole shortbus jokes, offensive...and quite lame actually. I agree with Kate. And StatuatoryGlory ---- I hardly think comparing his screename to a screename making fun of handicapped people is equal. Come on. That's like comparing the OSU allegations with the PSU atrocities. First off, I really don't see how it's offensive to women, and even if it was, it's definitely not as bad as the picture making fun of the shortbus. Get real.
To many people with disabilities the term handicapped is just as offensive.
A shortbus, is also used for pre-school students, Churches, and other organizations..not just for those with disabilities.
Personally, I believe that Kate Upton's chesticles are much more appealing than her lower back. So are we, or more accurately, is she to be offended because your user-name refers to her lower back?
C'mon, Man!! Please, spare us the comments unless you can also control your usage of such terminology.
It's only a bus.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
@VINTONCO.BUCK.
okay, I think we all already know that shortbuses are used for functions other than transporting handicapped people. You don't need to explain that. But, do you really think that is what the guy's offensive avatar and phrasing was about? non-handicapped people? Come on. Wise up. You know he was referring to making fun of handicapped people. Really really lame attempt too. It's a bus...we know the connotation behind it. Please.
Congrats on failing to see the point of my comment.
Yes we know the reason behind it. But what is offensive to most individuals is that people want to point it out as if everyone should just summarily be offended along with you.
I could give a crap what his avatar is. Give off your high-horse.
All this PC shit on here is pretty f'n lame.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
It seems as if everyone is offended by someone or something, these days.
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
I have a handicapped family member and saw his profile pic, I'm not offended.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
So. You speak for yourself, not everyone else. Don't act like you're the be-all/end-all.
Nor should you.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I don't think he was. You seem like you were though "703." .
By the way, "703", correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't "OSUFORLIFE" kind of own you in those arguments back a few months ago, right?
;)
Yeah, OSUFORLIFE really owned me with his Kindergarten-level English skills ;)
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Let's calm down, now.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
I hope people realize I was joking around with UrbanWoodrowEarlTressel, not sure how my comment warrented 3 downvotes.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Your screen name, picture, and post offend me but "I should grow up and stop trying push my opinion on others" and "real hetero move"...
It is the pot calling the kettle black.
STEENSN, no offense but come on man, you act like the biggest bitch on here sometimes (whining about pics of cheerleaders. SMH)...you have no room to talk
You know what would be awesome? If we all stopped getting riled up at each other. We're all Buckeye fans here. Save that hate for the school up north.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
I am sorry if my user name is offensive to someone. This is what my girl friend has called me for 9 years as a nick name. I will not change it so get over yourselves and find something else worh bickering about.
shortbus20
Ohhhh...now I get it - so the nickname is referring to the size of something. It's a nickname for your ween.
:)
Dude if his dong is as big as a shortbus it has to be among the largest in history. Stellar package man.
As Kate would say, "Make Love".
Man, a loss where we were dominated by IU certainly has the natives restless!
lol...at this whole thread. Half of the problem with social media and blogs nowadays is how damn sensitive the world has become. There is always someone...somewhere who is upset that the wind blew the wrong way that day. Just because you might find something SLIGHTLY offensive said by someone on the internet does not mean it is necessarily the time to address it. It is about as useful as laying down and pissing straight up. You may have gotten your point out there, but i hate to tell you...frankly, my dear, 99.9999% of the internet won't give a damn.
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
I couldn't have said it better myself...thank you for pointing out how ANNOYING it is to hear about how someone doesn't (apparently) appreciate seeing Kate Upton pics or whomever. It's really getting old seeing someone making a comment EVERY TIME someone posts a pic of a girl that's not naked btw. Just see it and move on...no need to comment every time. Moving on...thanks Buck Brown...we agree on many things but by far I couldn't agree with you more on this.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Any of the 11W staff know if Watson is trying to reschedule or is this him saying he's solid to Clemson and sticking?
Here's a really good free article on Deshaun. Georgia is going after him hard too. He is the only QB that have offered to this point aswell.
We won't know if Chad Morris is going to leave until at least December... By that time, the majority of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 QB's will be gone. Also, if other high profile recruits have committed to Clemson he might stick without Chad Morris. I don't think we can put all of our eggs in one basket. Especially since Alex said QB is a vital position to recruit in the 2014 class.
Really good article GB. It's all so up in the air. If we learned anything this week, it's don't ever count anyone out. Maybe it's good he isn't coming in Feb?
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone, all that we send into the life of others comes back into our own." -WWH
+1 Great point Aesculus! It matters why he cancelled and if he'll reschedule. If he comes back, especially with the Georgia Gang, for FNL, the Spring Game or a night game it could be even better then visiting now. If he isn't going to reschedule it might be time to move on at that point. Without knowing it's hard to judge what the next move should be, but like you said, never count Urban out!
I believe this weekend was an unofficial visit... He would've come back later on an OV if he was really considering us... I think this shows Clemson had a big influence on him and he won't be flipping.
Clemson my have convinced him not to visit this weekend or it could have been that he had basketball game tonight (and I believe he has a game tomorrow as well). I'd personally like to know why he cancelled and if he plans on rescheduling first before I write him off and move on. Also, it sounds like he had a monster dunk and posterized some kid.
I think this paints the writing on the wall. Time to move on.
Haha not too "optimistic" there, eh?
Lot of time left
This has been said before, but look at the rest of the screen name.
It's time to offer Drew Barker.
What about the kid from Toledo?
Kizer is likely below Watson, Barker, Ulmer, and possible Henderson/Allen.
I really like Kizer. He would be my next offer.
I think Deshone needs to show a little more what he can do in his senior season. I also think he might be like Plan C or D for Urban. I would bet he would verbally commit on the spot if Urban offered him a schollie though. He may end up playing for Toledo or BGSU or Miami. Ben Rothlesberger was a
RedskinRedhawk, and turned out pretty well."Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
would love to wait and get a guy like Watson, but if things arnt looking so good with him anymore, you have to think its time to move on and start working on things with Barker before its to late and we miss on both. That isnt a good problem to have. Because Watson is one of those guys that you just dont say no to. So why cant we shift our focus to Barker and get Barker in the fold and if Watson wants in down the road, then we find a way to get him in.
#Buckeyes
We're still a yr away from signing say, a lot can happen between now and then. Esp if tOSU wins the title and Clemson struggles. I'd rather have guys commit later in the process anyways.. that way it saves everyone from freaking out if one of our early commits visits somewhere else.
Clemson probably said to him if you visit your scholarship is gone, it is what it is. Barker could win a heisman, I think he would make a great buckeye.
Ehh, I'm not sure you'd pull a scholarship of a player his caliber if he visits else where. Maybe he just didn't want to pay out of his pocket and saving an official to tOSU.
Yeah, maybe not pull just strongly suggest against it. I actually think that Barker will be the better player at the next level. I think osu still has a chance though.
Barker should be pretty good but its hard to argue against a guy who throws for over 4000 while adding another 1200 rushing in a single season.
Yeah that's true, I could see him being like a Tajh Boyd.
I don't think we necessarily need to hit a home run with our 2014 QB. We can afford to either go with the safe bet (Barker) or the high-upside guy (Ulmer), we don't NEED Watson. You know why? Because we have a guy named JT Barrett who doesn't get half of the recognition that he deserves.
I think 2015 is more important, and Jayru Campbell could be a monster if we pull him out of Cass Tech.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
We need to get on Barker before it's too late. We can't slow play him for much longer
Offer Barker and plan C and D NOW!! No time to waste!!
SCOTTC.
Go get Barker is what I say. Barker isn't the same as Timmons who may have been a reach compared to the other talent Ohio State had a shot at landing. Dude is a very gifted athlete, 4 star recruit right now, he's going to hit summer camps and play a great senior year. He could end up a 5 star when all is said and done, but even if not, he's going to be one of the top QB's in America next season. Combs is recruiting him, he likes Ohio State, make him an offer and he's your 2014 QB .
Watson isn't going to flip, and if you wait til December to find out if his OC jumps for a head coaching job somewhere, there's no guarrenttee he flips anywhere or that Ohio State is where he ends up. Then Barker and Ulmer are gone. Watson isn't going anywhere.
I will say, though, that I'm not all that concerned about the 2014 QB recruit. I think Barrett takes over the reins when Braxton moves on and is damn good. He is already showing great leadership qualities just with recruiting other players.
I agree that if we go after Barker hard and offer he becomes a Buckeye... You can't say you aren't concerned tho... After Barrett we won't have anyone... Braxton will be gone and most likely Cardale Jones will transfer somewhere else to play. I think we need a stud QB in this class and I think Barker is the guy. I don't believe Watson is going to flip and I don't want to wait until December to find out.
We need depth at QB to be sure. What I'm saying is, I'm not sure the 2014 QB is going to start until they are a senior anyway. Barret could be a great QB in 2015 after Braxton takes off. We need a backup to be sure. So that's what Barker will be, and I'm guessing they may go get 2 QB's in 2015 when the scholarship penalties are gone.
I'm just saying we won't need to have the 2014 QB to come in and be a starter from day one. I think we have a stud on board already to take over when Braxton leaves.
If Urban gave up on elite targets as quickly as people in this thread would, we would never have even sniffed the official visit from Vonn Bell, let alone received his commitment. Urban's recruited two Heisman winning QBs in the BCS era. Even Saban and Pete haven't been able to pull that off. Urban's got this.
Urban probably recruited multiple QB's in those classes too... He's only recruiting 1 single guy so far in this class... He has yet to offer any other QB's. I'm not giving up on Urban and Co. I don't think any of us are. We are just saying if you wait too late on Barker, he will be gone and he is our #2 guy for 2014. I don't want to miss on a stud and to me Watson and Barker are the only 2 elite spread QB's in this class.
Surely guys never emerge in their senior years of high school after flying under the radar or backing up another solid player their junior year. I'm pretty sure we can find a juco spread qb if somehow Urban pulls a real ridiculous feat and actually flops at recruiting.
I'd rather have a guy who was a star for 3-4 years...
I'd take Roethlisberger over Clausen/Powlus bred for greatness guys.
I like this. (Stat.Glo.) ^ Love the optimism. I share it.
Seriously it's not as if we couldn't offer a guy like Kizer on signing day morning and land him if Watson slips through our fingers at the end of a second consecutive undefeated season.
Barker>Kizer... I'd rather have our #2 guy than a lower tier 2 guy. If we offered Barker he would be a Buckeye.
As of yet the big time programs seem to have them about the same. UNC, Lou, UK, Tenn, etc. The only notable difference thus far is Barker has a South Carolina offer and Kizer has Michigan State and Arkansas offers. I trust Urban here. If he thinks the gap between Watson and Barker is large enough to risk losing both, then so be it. The man knows what he is doing way better than even the most informed 11w poster or angriest msu 247 commenter.
Isn't Barker a pro style QB? Watson is a dual threat QB, continuing what we already have in place. I have to believe that, to a degree, it would have an impact on recruiting other positions if we're going build an offense to suit Barker's skill set. I'm fine with either one, but I think it's something that needs settled sooner rather than later.
Barker's high school runs the spread offense.
Someone else may be able to embed this (I try all the time and can't get it to work), but here's his jr year highlight reel. He can run and throw. He's not Braxton fast, but he can run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noH6RJX8tg
Braxton is a good runner but he doesn't have great straight line speed like Pryor did.
Nothing better than some old fashioned sports racism.
I personally think we just need to trust meyer. Simple as that. Whoever he offers and whenever he offers them is up to him, because from what I've seen, I have no reason not to trust he can bring in talent and make that talent produce.
Are there any good highlights of deshaun Watson on here? I can never find anything on him
Click here for an 8 minute free highlight reel for DeShaun.
Uk is going after barker. Urban might want to get serious about barker.the day after nsd, i read where some of uk 2013 recruits including barkers' good friend ryan timmons are trying hard to recruit barker to uk.
I really don't understand the love for UK. They're the 2nd best team in Kentucky, won 4 games last year and play in the dominant SEC. Barker is not going to UK.
Are Barker and Timmons really good friends? Other than meeting at camps or visits to different schools I don't see how they would be. Conner and Franklin county are like 1 1/2 hours away from eachother.
Meyer needs to offer Barker TOMORROW.
Thanks there Vince Lombardi.
Going out on a limb here --- but I think Urban and co. probably know a little more than you about who to offer, and when to offer them, than you do.
I upvoted you woody. You are right, urban needs to offer barker now.
Does any one know who Barker's leader is currently?
247Sports has a three way tie with tOSU, Kentucky and USCe:
http://247sports.com/Player/Drew-Barker-13971
Maybe south carolina?
after seeing the 2 classes urbs and co have produced im highly surprised at how much ppl are doubting him with the watson barker debate.... if hes proven anything its to trust what they are doing
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
+1 especially with Watson having basketball games both Friday and Saturday this weekend.
To me the QB taken in this class is very important for the Bucks chances to win a National Championship within the next two to three years. The talent at the skill position taken in this class is just plain sick. It's mind boggling the direction this group could take. There are so many weapons and it's just going to be fun to see who lives up to the hype. I like our chances that some in this group, if not all will be as good as advertised.
As for maximizing said playmakers, it is critical that this class bolster the offensive line which everybody knows. But, getting the right QB is also very important to ensure the offense hums. I tend to be in the camp that JT is a great leader and will be the real deal. Everything we are reading about his early enrollmet and dedication to rehabbing is very encouragng. However, the injury he sustained has to be considered in this recruiting class. Also, with the playoff system looming it will be more important that the backup be a capable, leadership oriented guy. It's always tougher to find that guy when the previous class lands a top notch QB, like we did with JT. I'm glad the staff is taking time to evaluate getting the right guy.
It may be overly simplistic but landing the right top notch QB in this class might just be the most important thing to keep us at the very top of the mountain for National Championship odds for the next 4 or 5 years. I KNOW this class will get the stud O Linemen.
I am going to go out on a limb here and predict that: When Braxton Miller graduates, he will be replaced by.....drum roll please....CARDALE JONES!!! I think that we have 4 years before anyone else will even have a chance to start. That being said, I do have a thing for Will Ulmer, and that thing is totally platonic. Remember, you heard it here first.
You're predicting Cardale "we ain't come to play school" Jones as the next starting QB?
***sorry. I couldn't resist.***
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
I know this was a joke and all in good fun, but everything I've heard about Cardale from people close to the team just said he got frustrated one day and slipped up with that tweet. He's actually got very good grades, and is developing nicely. I've been told he throws the best deep ball on the team, has a rocket for an arm
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Even if Barker committed to a place like South Carolina, I'm pretty sure he would reopen his recruitment later on if OSU, ND, USC etc came in with a later offer and he was to be the only QB in the class. They don't call Urban "the spatula" for nothing after all.
Urban will get a QB. A good one. Everybody just needs to let this thing play out.
Anyone else think that while Watson is a good dual threat, the bigger arm/bigger (albeit slower) runner works better for the offense in the future? Hyde will be gone, and those who have stated that Meyer always had a big runner in the offense are correct, it just so happened to be Tebow. Well, after the guys OSU has been recruiting at RB/WR, they have been much smaller than the Carlos Hyde types. Does this mean that Barker would actually compliment the offense even better (as the big back) since he still has the ability to run?
Just something to think about. I'm not getting worked up either way because it's not like Urban is going to forget the importance of the QB in his system. He knows what he needs to do and he will do it.
Don't give up... Don't ever give up.
we are still going after hurd and elliot is over 200 lbs. so is smith, dunn, and ball
Listen guys... I don't think anyone sits around during the day thinking "I don't really know if i trust Urban in recruiting". This post is specifically asking everyone's opinion on what they would do about the QB situation. None of us claim to be recruiting/talent experts.
With that said, I'd start turning the heat up on Barker a little bit just to sway his interest back to the Buckeyes. You don't have to offer him. Just stop by his school twice a month and continue the phone contact.
I was very pro-Barker for a while there. I haven't stopped respecting his abilities, I've just come to grips with the writing on the wall in regards to two points:
1) Urban and staff have JT Barrett, a top-5 dual-threat QB from 2013 class, and they have faith that he's going to produce on the field. With that in mind, they don't seem desperate for a QB in the 2014 class, and I think being that it's a smaller class 2 QB commits is likely the last thing they want. So in my opinion they're going to wait until the last possible minute to offer Barker (perhaps long after he's already committed to another school), because their chips are all in on Watson as the 1 QB commit they want from this class, with Barrett already in the fold from 2013. I have no inside information to prove this, it just seems obvious based on the fact that they offered Watson ages ago, are trying to set up visits, and continue to visit Barker without ever bothering to offer (i.e. to keep him interested).
2) Watson will likely never flip from Clemson. He keeps saying he's 95% committed, idolizes Tajh Boyd, loves Chad Morris's system -- and most importantly, feels he can come in next year and compete for the open QB spot in his Freshman year. At OSU he likely has to wait behind Braxton for his Freshman year, then in his 2nd year has to compete with another top 5 dual-threat QB in JT Barrett for the spot. At Clemson his competition will be Chad Kelly, but Kelly is two classes ahead of him (i.e. worst case scenario Watson would be the starter for his JR & SR years--whereas worst case scenario for Watson at OSU, if Barrett thrives, Watson only gets to be the starter his SR year). If people don't think a QB like Watson minds having competition and that my points on Barrett are overblown--check his twitter irt to Clemson's pursuit of Asantii Woulard lol. There were around 4-5 mentions of Woulard, not angry mentions, but his potential commitment to Clemson was definitely a point of consideration for Watson.
The only thing that could possibly cause a flip in my mind is if Chad Morris leaves Clemson, as others have mentioned.
Sounds like JT's weight room speech during recruiting really opened up some eyes on the coaching staff about what kind of guy he is and what kind of leader he can be.
What speech are you referring to? I don't remember hear about that.
Yeah, I'd like to hear that too.
Tom Hermann talked about if for a few minutes on the Call In Show. It was what JT got all the juice tweets about during recruiting weekend. Hermann said it gave them chills, that he'd never seen a freshman do something like that, it lasted 5-10 minutes, and blew away a whole group of coaches who thought they knew what they had already in JT before he showed this fire and leadership. Other than that I don't have any more info.
Yeah from what I read JT actually stopped coach Marotti, or Herman and asked to step in. Then gave a 5-10 minute speech about why he chose to pick Ohio State, and what the school/coaching staff means to him. It seemed as though the coaches were blown away with the speech and the poise for a freshman (or still recruit I can't remember exactly when it happened).
Watson not visiting is due to schedule conflicts with basketball hence he had a game last night. Just like with Mike Mitchell recruitment its hard to visit that far OOS and be able to see what youd like to in a short amount of time and make that drive back and go to school on Monday. Plus it would be an unofficial visit that would cost money to see a school of your choice for one day thats not a smart trip. Just like with Chubb whom the staff scheduled for a spring trip Im confident Urban will find a way to get this kid on campus. The wild card in this recruitment is of course Demarre Kitt if we blow him away hell be in Watsons ear and then well see fireworks.
I personally wouldn't be to stressed if we didn't land a QB in this class at all..after all we have JT Barrett coming next season..
They need one for depth if nothing else. Obviously, we would like to get the best possible recruit, but would hate to see them put too much time and effort into Watson who is 95 percent comitted to Clemson, when they could go get another great player(Barker or otherwise) pretty early on in the class. Especially, when at the end of the day, Barker could be a 5 star QB.
How many 5* recruits want to be back up's? If I'm going after a stud it's gonna be the 2015 class at the earliest.. We will have Barrett and Kenny G next season..plus miller is going into his jr year.. So to me it seems like a wasteT to bring in a QB next year, but that's just me
I don't know about their QB situation, but as far as 5 stars being back-ups, that doesn't seem to be an issue for Alabama. One guys leaves early or graduates and the next guy in line fills the void.
Everywhere except QB, Tenn
I think you mean Cardale, Kenny G is a senior
I'm not hearing good things about him visiting folks...time to move on IMO. Go after Barker or someone soon....or there may not be anyone to go after. Just my opinion of course...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Oviously, time is on the side of a solid, Ohio State coaching staff for the 2014 recruiting cycle. And when we are in the Rose Bowl/National Championship Game, recruits will take notice. We'll be fine.
Is Barker the new Timmons?
Trotwood-Madison. Once a Ram, Always a Ram.
Not really... From what the Alex wrote in his piece about 2014 QB's, Barker is #2 on the board. Timmons was about number 22. Barker is a tier 1 QB who is behind Deshaun Watson. I don't think comparing Barker to Timmons is very accurate.
Yes and no. I'll take your word that Barker is #2 on the board, but the only practical difference with Timmons is that it is playing out 11 months earlier.
If U Meyer thought Barker was the guy, then Barker would have an offer.
The whole thing with Timmons was that he wanted to be a Buckeye and we slow played him for 6 months.
Barker is different. 2014 recruiting is just getting started.
Agree + Barker appears to have more options
The relationships built with the 2014 class have been developed over the past 2 years. Obviously the staff knows where our needs are for the 2014 class, but this has been started for a while. I read it takes 2 years to recruit a class.
I will be at Deshaun's state playoff game for basketball tonight. I'm excited to see how his talents carry over to the basketball court.
Here's how I see it from the outside looking in. Braxton did not throw a lot last year compared to Clemson he had 254 attempts completing 148 for 2039 yds and 15 TDs. He rushed for an astounding 1271 yards and 13 TDs. As of last year were a run first pass second offense which means a guy like Watson would not have the chance to show off his arm like he wants to. Compared to Clemson where Boyd had 499 attempts in 2011 and 427 in 2012 for 3896 yards and 36 TDs. I see his interest in OSU changing if our passing game picks up this upcoming season.
From what I am hearing is the staff is moving on past Watson. They are preparing to offer at least 1-2 more quarterbacks for 2014. One that they are taking a hard look at is an underrated QB from Apopka HS near Orlando. There has been some good talent come out of the school and they recently won the 8A state title.
Is it Zachary Darlington?
Yes it is.
I am making this post in peace. Zach Darlington would likely end up commiting to Nebraska on the spot if they offer. Zach's high school coach is a huge Nebraska fan and Zach has said he would love to play at Nebraska. Zach has a sophomore teammate that already holds a Nebraska offer and will likely end up a Cornhusker. Zach's head coach met with the Nebraska coaching staff to implement some of the offense they run.
Welcome to the board, NebraskaFan. I'm sure most of us will appreciate the opposing viewpoints.
Welcome! Great to have a Nebraska fan on board! You all tend to be some of the classiest fans in the Big Ten.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Dang Gray Box! You are all over the recruiting. Count me as very impressed!
Although I wonder...do you have a daytime job? LOL. Where do you find the time?
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
Can I ask where you heard that from?
At the risk of sounding cliche I don't wish to give that information, but what I will say is that the person is someone that I trust implicitly in matters of football and development of talent in the area.
There was a 247 guy that posted on Twitter that Ohio State is looking at Zach. It isn't no secret anymore.
If true that they are moving past Watson, I'd imagine Barker, Henderson, and maybe Kyle Allen could be next in line
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I would think Barker and Ulmer are the next 2 in line... Just my opinion from what I read on Alex's breakdown.
If I recall from Alex's breakdown Ulmer was one of the tier 3's? Not positive, but IMO Ulmer is probably number 6 or 7. At least on my board that's where I'd have him. Doesn't throw the ball well enough
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Watson, Heard, and Barker are all Tier 1 guys. Ulmer is the top Tier 2 guy listed by Alex.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/12/17911/forecasting-2014-quarterbacks
Nice find. Well in that case, I'm gonna do something I rarely do and that's disagree with Alex. Ulmer has incredible speed, but I've watched a few highlight tapes on him and he just doesn't throw the ball nearly as well as Barker, Henderson, Allen, etc. Actually think I like Crest better than Ulmer as well. Just my personal opinion. I wouldn't be upset if we got Ulmer (looks like a slightly worse passer than Brax was coming out of HS, which could develop into something very good), I just would rather have those other guys ahead of him
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I'd like to have Watson, Barker, or Henderson. Haven't heard much about Heard. I read somewhere that Ulmer's passing skills are lacking. I'd like to have a kid who has good passing skills that can come in and refine them. Not a big time project where we have to rebuild their mechanics. I'd like to have Barker honestly. Reminds me a lot of Tebow and a little of Alex Smith. Not the quickest QB, but throws it well and runs a good read option.
For some reason I can see us playing games with Barker asking him to hold off and come throw for us this summer during a camp and him committing to South Carolina
WOW is all I can say. Watson truly is an amazing athlete. His talents definitely carry over to the court. He basically won the game for his team tonight. He took over in the second half. He had a nasty blocked shot, several steals, a clutch 3, a break away dunk, and a couple free-throws to seal the win.
+1 Thansk for the first hand info GB2114! I had heard Watson was pretty good on the hardwood. Here's a write up of the game from last night if anyone wants to read it (free): Boys playoffs: Gainesville holds on, downs Hiram in thriller, as three teams advance
I do not want Ulmer. Completely agree with Triv. While he has great speed and running ability he can't pass worth a lick. They need to stop dicking around and offer Barker now.