I see Caleb Henderson is visiting on March 2 and 3. Is this his planned visit or the staff bringing him in? With Deshaun Watson passing on his visit to Ohio State, and not really moving on Drew Barker, does the 11W staff think OSU will pull the trigger and give Henderson a committable offer on the visit?
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Staff wants him to visit and I think we see an offer then or by the end of May.
Think the staff brings in multiple QB's then offers the one they want or they specifically aiming at Henderson now?
Not sure but we will prob know more by the summer and with this staff we mght not know anything for sure till next February.
Anyone have video on Henderson?
He's a lot like the highly touted John Brantley. I don't think he's a great fit for Urban's offense.
What type of offense does Henderson's high school run?
I've got to think the staff will bring in a few QB's, get to know them, and talk before sending out an offer
They run a version of the spread so he's familiar with that style.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1460934/highlights/31123383
I personally don't see a resemblance to Brantly. Caleb may be choice # 2 if Barker keeps trending towards South Carolina or KY. I still think they'll push hard for a visit from Watson eventually. I'd be happy with Caleb....great arm and fairly accurate with descent speed for 6'4 220 & growing.
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The kid has great vision and a great arm. Not real impressed by his speed but he runs the read option well enough to confuse the defense. I think Coach Mick could get him a little quicker through agilities and workouts. He won't be Braxton or JT but I think he could be good in our offense.
Eh Barker has almost 1000 more rushing yards and I don't think he's an impressive enough runner to be Urban's QB, let alone the diminished running ability of Henderson. If we bring in Henderson, we would need to rotate in another running QB like Freshman Tebow or Blake Bell to keep the defense in place. If we can't land Watson, I'd rather see who develops this season that didn't have an explosive JR year or look to the JUCO circuit.
Alex Smith was pretty impressive in Urban's offense and they're about the same type of QB.
MWC era Utah. They didn't go undefeated playing LSU, Bama, and OSU.
So they didnt beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl with Urban's players on the roster? With a QB that wasn't as good or athletic as Smith? Funny how people forget that game SEC homers especially.
We weren't talking about Brian Johnson. They didn't run the same zone read. Brian Johnson was a passer and almost zero running threat. His last season he averaged 1.2yds per carry. If they ran the same offense as the did under Alex Smith, teams would feed him the read to keep it every single time and laugh on their way to another three and out.
Zero running threat and yet beat the superior Bama team which helps your argument for geat running QB how exactly?
Different offense. Does Urban prefer such an offense when he has his pick of QBs? I'm pretty sure he learned from that season with Brantley.
Which is counter-productive to your argument if he offers Caleb :)
Watch the highlights. Zero zone reads to be seen in that game. 336 yds passing and 4 runs for -15 from the QB Johnson. Not Urban's offense.
Brian Johnson actually wasn't much of a runner. People only think that because he's black. They hardly ever used him on designed runs.
Source: I was a Utah fan until I got accepted to OSU.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Congrats on the acceptance to tOSU!
Haha oh, I'm a sophomore here now. But thanks!
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
We could get him in a minute, if we wanted, as Ohio State is his dream school and Urban Meyer is his idol.
I agree with this which is why we heard scUM was looking good for him then it was Sparty yet no commitment when he wants to get it over with. If we are his dream school then I say offer the kid and have him help recruit and see what he can do.
I agree. If we offer, he commits soon after. I just wonder if the staff will offer when he comes in or if they'll hold off a little longer.
this kids a junior in high school and can wing it. a whole year still to develop. also seems very poised. i think were spoiled by braxton and pryor before. a 4.4 quarterback is wonderful, but this kid seems plenty capable of being a success in meyers offense.
As mentioned previously, Henderson grew up loving the Buckeyes. He also unofficially visited last June when he attended Ohio States camp. He's rated 97 by 247 as a pro style quarterback, so the kid is legit.
Barker is rated 94 by 247 as a pro style quarterback, and also attended the same camp as Henderson. He has also visited the campus like 4 times unofficially.
Watson is rated 93 by 247 as a dual threat quarterback. Watson passed on visiting Ohio State and has visited Georgia, Florida State, Florida, and Auburn all after he committed to Clemson. My point being Ohio State doesn't seem very high on his list.
Also, both Barker and Henderson attended OSU's camp, so the staff has already seen what these two kids can do. I don't buy the staff needs more time to evaluate them. They are procrastinating at this point to wait for Watson with the "we need more time to evaluate" line.
I also don't give much credit to rankings, but thought I'd include them to point out that I don't think getting Henderson is settling at all and the staff should jump on the opportunity if the kid wants to commit, especially with Barker's interest in other schools and Watson not really giving OSU much interest.
As rankings get updated Id expect both will be put into the Dual Threat category.
Watson is also in the top 15 overall prospects on Rivals. 247 hasn't updated their rankings in a while
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
While Watson is obviously the #1 target for the OSU staff, it's pretty apparent that his interest in OSU is not very high and he's pretty adamant about his commitment to Clemson. We can't even get him to visit, while he has visited several SEC schools. I'd say we're pretty low on the totem poll and time to move on to our #2 option.
Where do you see that TOSU is low on Watson's list? All I've ever heard from Watson is that he is high on TOSU and Urban. Yes, he has visited UGA and others but they're in his backyard. Do you know how much it is roundtrip from GA to OH? Probably not cheap...
I'm looking at actions speaking louder than words. Tallahassee and Gainesville, Florida are not exactly close to Gainesville, GA either, or his "backyard" as you put it. Both these destinations are 5 1/2 to 6 hour drives. I would consider Auburn and Georgia as close schools though. Here is a previous forum on his decision not to visit OSU:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/recruiting/2013/02/deshaun-watson-no...
He had also planned on the trip to OSU, so I'm assuming money was not a problem, or else, why schedule the visit at all? I would also reiterate, that even though he actively decided not to visit OSU, after he originally scheduled the visit, but he also has Auburn high on his list, so it's not like it's just Clemson and OSU. If we can't even get him to campus, or even get a future visit scheduled to visit OSU, I think you have to move on.
There was the same talk about Vonn Bell for the 6 months leading up to signing day.
Vonn was not committed to a school for nearly a year.
The Vonn Bell situation is entirely different. OSU could sign other players like Jayme Thompson among other defensive backs at the position and hedge against Bell going elsewhere. If OSU tries to string along Barker and Henderson, they'll go elsewhere because they won't want to be second fiddle (and nor would any of us if we were in their shoes). Bell is not a good or applicable comparison.
I'd disagree and yes, so does our coach. I think your underestimating how important the quarterback is in Urban's system and how much recruiting MOJO Urban has. He's made DeShawn his guy by only offering one quarterback. He sees championships in him. He doesn't see championships in Barker, Henderson, Kizer, or any other 2014.
You've got a full YEAR to flip him. We've got Barrett and if Watson falls through we can pick up a plan B this year and go after a plan A next year. What do we really have to loose? Barker!?! It's not like there aren't other QB's out there that are in the same class as him. (Henderson, et al) So we "move on" from Watson so Barker can commit when he would rather commit??? Makes no sense.
I say let Urban convince Watson another 6 months? 8months? However long he feels he needs to. We are #2 on the kids list! And FYI he had a basketball game, probably a good thing to wait and get him on campus in the spring when all the girls are in their bikinis and peeps partying.
This sure ain't Tresselball anymore.
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For those saying we need more of a runner, JT Barrett just committed and will likely red shirt, who is more of a "running" QB. If you want to alternate QB's, one that can pass (Henderson), and one that can run (Barrett), Barrett and Henderson would be a great combo. Plus, Meyer obviously knows how to use this combo, as he has experience with Chris Leak and Tim Tebow, who won a National Championship under this strategy.
Or how about Will Ulmer if we are looking for a true run only rotation qb. Look at him explode away from people.
Does not have the same arm talent as Drew and Caleb. Find it funny that you want a running QB so bad against SEC teams. Tajh Boyd isnt truly known as a great runner but is mobile enough for the spread. What he does have is field vision and an arm to make all the throws on top of great pocket presence. Remind me how'd that work out for LSU who had Bama beat?
Look at the comment I replied to. It was about a possible QB rotation with Henderson/Barker as the passer and Barrett as the runner. I suggested Ulmer as a better run only QB than Barrett. Besides Barrett is the real deal and this year's QB will be sitting for a while regardless of who it ends up being.
QB rotations such as the one at UF are an anomaly with that being the only one that has ever worked in CFB history to win a title yeah lets take those odds again.
And this is why I don't want to go the Barker/Henderson route. Give me Watson or a last minute flipped true dual threat guy.
Henderson's running style/ability actually reminds me a lot of a certain national championship winning quarterback Urban coaches at Florida. Henderson runs just as well as Tebow, and passes much better. The spread doesn't need a quarterback that can run a 4.4 and blow past the fastest corners in the NCAA. The quarterback just needs to have te ability to run and give the defense something to think about.
Side note, Watson isn't exactly a burner. He had something like 500 rush yards last year
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Yeah but as I pointed out earlier with Tajh Boyd who is good enough of a runner you dont need a true burner at the position to beat elite SEC defenses. You do need someone who can throw accurately in the pocket and on the run.
This is what I'm trying to say as well. Tebow, who won 2 titles, one as a starter, ran a 4.72 at the NFL combine. You don't need to have burner speed to be an elite spread QB, just to have the threat to run when needed
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Well I've seen exactly two FB style spread QBs and Urban recruited them both so if he thinks these guys can function in such a role I would be convinced. Based off my eyes, I don't see it.
Urban's spread is based on having a homerun, fast as hell guy, and one power-type back who can get you 3 yards regardless. This year, Braxton is our homerun guy with Hyde being our power back. When he had Tebow, he used Percy as the speed runner and Tebow was the power. His offense his based on a balance between the speed and power run game, so as long as we have one guy in the backfield with pure speed (Elliot, Wilson, Marshall) and one guy who's a bigger guy with decent speed (Henderson) then it really doesn't matter
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I'd love to get Ulmer because I, for one, trust Barrett and Cardale.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
With the great dual threat running back (both running and receiving) we pulled in with Elliot, and major playmakers on offense with Marshall, Smith, Wilson, and Clark, I don't think OSU will depend on running nearly as much in the future as we currently have to with Miller. Actually having wide receivers and playmakers should spread the field and make having a running QB, not nearly as much of a necessity, but more of a bonus. While Henderson may not be a great runner, I would certainly say he is capable of running when needed.
FWIW I still think OSU will get Barker even though he's extensively courting KY and USCar lately. If Watson confirms his commitment early then this clears up quick and Barker is in. If Watson keeps flirting but visits during the football season some time as opposed to spring or summer...then I could see this becoming a cluster F@#! personally.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Just my opinion here. I like Watson #1, Barker #2, and Henderson #3. I don't see Watson flipping because he knows he can start for 4 years at Clemson. I think Barker is a better fit for the OSU scheme, but BOTH Barker and Henderson would be fine. Finally, a 2 QB system is an awful idea. Find 1 QB who can run and throw and let him get the job done. We don't need to rotate QB's.
^this...I'm having mid-late 90's flashbacks!
I have not been paying a ton of attention to this year's QB recruitment race but one of my best friends saw Barker and Henderson both throwing at some camp last year and he was more impressed with Henderson than Barker. Frankly I would be happy with either.
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