So What Happens If......

By stanton6 -18 January 2013
28 Comments
- Recruiting

Ok, I know this is a long shot, but what if Bell, the Robinson twins, Skipper, Wilson, and Carrington end up wanting to commit to us? We can't take them all. I think it would be Bell, Wilson, and Skipper. Or do you think they try and take them all and possibly put some pressure on others to consider transferring? Also have a possibility of Priester, but I think he would lose out if the others were coming.

Squirrel Master on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:05am #

WOW!

Buckeye_in_SEC_... on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:07am #

That's why the staff gets paid the big money. I take them all and send some kids packing. Bama does it every year and it turned out pretty well for them.

UrbzRenewal on 18 Jan 2013 - 8:20am #

No. Just no.

Urban is anti-oversigning and never has.

penult on 18 Jan 2013 - 10:11am #

I think he is saying that is what he would do, not the coaches. He said "that's why they get paid the big bucks" because they have to make the tough decisions and decide which of those they can take and which they can't because of scholly limits.

Urban_Can_Recruit on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:10am #

I want Hunt over Skipper so much

stanton6 on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:17am #

I agree with you, I'm a little concerned with him being 6'10". I know tackle is the tallest spot on the field, but I would think footwork and leverage would be a concern. I'm definitely not a recruiter though, so I'll leave that up to the experts.

QuadrupleZ

703Buckeye on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:40am #

The height will be a concern no matter what. A 6'10" dude will have a helluva hard time getting leverage on a speedy pass rusher who is like 6'2". If we get Skipper he will be redshirted. A redshirt will allow Skipper to gain some mass and strength (best way to overcome leverage issues); dude could easily add 30-40 lbs of muscle to that frame.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

FormerBuck on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:37am #

I think we would take 4 up til NSD. And if Bell picks us we'd take 5

BUCK-I-FAN on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:45am #

i would put this guy Skipper in to block FG's and PAT's

Killer nuts on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:31am #

Yup. I'd put him right next to Sam Thompson

chicagobuckeye on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:52am #

trying to think of a field goal blacking nickname that is as good as Slam

ATXbucknut on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:59am #

I don't want to see us force any of the kid sout. If they leave, they do so on their own accord. Once you let go of your integrity you can't get it back.

btalbert25 on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:47am #

Honestly we all know the 1 or 2 examples where a kid was forced out, but no one talks about the 100's of transactions that probably go exactly like what just happened with Verlon Reed. Do you think he just up and decided to no longer want to play for Ohio State? NO! He was pressured to transfer out. He was told he'd never play for Ohio State. Do you really think he dreamed of going to Findlay, or that he thought that was the best place for him? Sure he'll play there for a year and transfer out in all likelihood, but once he was told he wasn't going to be used at Ohio State anymore and he should leave what option did he have? He just came off of a year off from knee surgery and he wasn't a factor here last year. What major school was going to take him? So going to an underwhelming D-II school to try and play well for a year was his only chance to land at a different major school.

The staff was honest with him, but it's no different if they took the extra commit and then had the conversation with him or if they had that conversation and he left, then they signed the extra commit. You can label however you want, but come on it's essentially forcing attrition so you can add a new recruit.

The overwhelming amount of oversigning goes just like this. They have the conversation with the player and give them reality and the kid leaves. So, if you go to Reed and say hey, here's the deal you aren't going to play here, you really should consider leaving, and we could use that scholarship to recruit this kid. How is it any different then getting the recruit and saying hey man we need your scholarship for this guy, you just aren't going to play here anymore, these are a couple of really good options you can explore to transfer out.

razrback16 on 18 Jan 2013 - 8:52am #

Urban has been known to be straight up with players as far as telling them where they stand, but he generally won't force them out like Saban & Miles do.

FormerBuck on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:22am #

I know I'm the biggest proponent of oversigning on this board, but no one has ever given me a good reason why it is bad. When you sign your NLI it says several times that it is only for 1 year, renewable at the discretion of the school. If you are in the program for 2-3 years and do not improve to the point where you will ever see playing time, I feel the coaches SHOULD have the right to revoke your scholarship and give it to someone more deserving.

luckynutz on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:27am #

If I'm not mistaken, the big ten went to 4 year scholarships. Guaranteed I thought. Could be wrong...but I though I heard that somewhere.

FormerBuck on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:30am #

If it has then I will take back what I said. I would completely disagree with that rule however if it is true

ATXbucknut on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:36am #

I believe LuckyNutz is correct. OSU made the change last year.

FormerBuck on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:42am #

I stand corrected. Again, I whole-heartedly disagree with this practice but it is what it is. Thanks for the link!

chicagobuckeye on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:58am #

What practice the 4 year scholarship? It might be the fact that these are 18 year old kids and most of them will not be playing in the NFL and need to use their college degree in the future. I get that they are signing essentially a 1 year contract, but unlike pro sports they do not recieve compensation for that 1 year. The only compensation they recieve is the 4 year education that they get.

FormerBuck on 18 Jan 2013 - 2:08am #

Yes the 4 year practice and here is why. Believe it or not, alot of guys in college locker rooms have no desire to play in the NFL, Ohio State included. For these kids, with a 4 year scholarship, there is no motivation to work your butt off to get better as a football player. They will get their degree for free simply because of what they did in high school. Now if a kid gets a free ride to Ohio State for academics, he needs to maintain a 3.0 I believe in order to renew that scholarship every year. Why should football players be treated differently?

Killer nuts on 18 Jan 2013 - 8:25am #

If I'm not mistaken student athletes also have GPA requirements that they must maintain to stay on scholarship

WayCraKen on 18 Jan 2013 - 8:33am #

Why would anyone sign to go to college for 1 year? That would be a rediculous thing to expect or be a participant in. If that was the case why does the NCAA make a kid sit out a year for a D1-1 transfer? It's to put pressure on the student to stay committed and cut out unprofessional behavior. Get it right on the front side and accept those athletes that are part of your family.

FormerBuck on 18 Jan 2013 - 12:48pm #

You don't sign on to play for one year. Basically what it did was forced you to EARN your scholarship for the next year. Again, if it's good for all 4 years, essentially you could just show up for practices and put in little to no effort and as long as you maintain a 1.8 GPA you will get your degree for free. And make a little money on the side on top of that. It should be up to the coaches to decide if every player is putting in the time and EARNING their scholarship for all 4 years. I mean lets be honest, if you are recruited to play football at Ohio State and never see the field for 2-3 years, it's probably a work ethic issue and you don't deserve to have that scholarship.

Goose on 18 Jan 2013 - 9:30am #

_{Let me play devil's advocate and talk about all the basketball players that have signed for a four year scholarship and left the program early at OSU recently. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to leave, but this argument works both ways.}

_{As an out of the box idea, how about a program could release three kids per year from scholarship, but those players could transfer without having to sit out a year}.

Grayskullsession on 18 Jan 2013 - 10:09am #

If we could get all those players I would quit my day job and start the "Church of Meyer". I will build an altar on High St. across from campus.

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

buckeye76BHop on 18 Jan 2013 - 11:48am #

Bell, Wilson and Skipper or Hunt. Not so sure the twins will commit but you never know (Carrington...if he sets up a visit, may be in if he does). I'm not sure if Bell will but as I just stated....you never know. They'll make room for Bell...not sure if they will for all of them though. We're already at 82 as Alex and people have stated on other recruiting websites. Just remember...the staff have till Fall to get the 82 schollies figured out (meaning medical red shirts, attrition if necessary or what have you).

All I know is this last minute recruiting is heating up and it's getting down right exciting. I'm kind of glad Gibson isn't going to be in this class...I have some questions on intellect with him after talking to some individuals (mainly friends/teachers from up and around the Land area). He has great skills that OSU staff obviously wanted...don't get me wrong, but I'm just not so sure about his head...and OSU doesn't need any of that IMHO.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

EvanstonBuckeye on 18 Jan 2013 - 1:05pm #

+1. Gibson had forever and a day to get his shit together academically to the staff's liking and couldn't do so. You have to wish him the best of luck, but if his grades would continue to be an around-the-clock issue on campus, it wouldn't be worth it.

Personally, I am so good with the route we've taken towards taking a pass on kids with academic or character issues.