I know of reasons why they should pick us.
1. Best coaching staff in the country
2. A chance to play in the NC every year
3. 12-0 in the very first year and we all feel it will only get better.
4. A defense that is really shaping up to be one of the very best which equates to more offensive, and if your a WR/KR opportunities.
5. An evolving high ranked QB that is only beginning to find what he can do and is still looking for some WR playmakers.
Sorry. I cannot think of one good reason why a top WR would not want to be a Buckeye.
Because they want to play in a pro-style offense? There's one.
Georgia Tech has first round receiver picks almost every year
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Calvin Johnson isn't a top WR!
Come on. This is just silly.
Cool the downvotes, he's using sarcasm font!
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A few downvotes is the price of good sarcasm. If you can't stand the heat, stay away from the italics. Squirrel can handle it.
I get that. I was just trying to educate those that don't know about the joys of sarcasm font. :-)
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Exactly! I love Braxton as much as everyone else, but he's not a very good passer. Maybe he develops into one, but he's not right now. If I was a receiver wanting to get to the NFL, I'm going to a school like Texas A&M where they throw it 50 times a game where I can show off my skills.
The only reason I can think of is because the jury is still out on Braxton Miller as a legit passer(personally, I think he's going to have a break out junior season as a passer).
I think you are right based on how much better he got plus his vulnerability of getting wiped out if he continues the run first mindset he had.
does it really matter if a receiver plays in a pro style offense? I mean, Justin Blackmon didn't exactly play in a "pro style" offense, yet he was the 1st receiver taken in the 2012 draft. If you're talented, you'll be drafted, simple as that. Kendall Wright didn't really run routes from the route tree, yet he went in the 1st round.....Stephen Hill, triple option, 1st round.
it matters to the player. 17 and 18 year olds are not just thinking about college football as a dress rehearsal for the NFL. they want to factor into the offense in a big way. that is not always going to be the case with an urban meyer spread offense. we are always going to be a run-first team, which is not just meyer but an ohio state tradition.
and miller is not a proven passer. you want to have someone you know can throw the ball to you. i think miller will be that guy next year but i know that i'm exercising a certain amount of faith in saying that.
I'd rather pull a top rated big RB, and a pretty good WR. Actually I want a big time RB and a big time WR, but if I had to choose, i'd take the RB.
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I agree. Something awesome and barbaric just running it down someones throat.
I have to agree with FORMERBUCK..I think the answer lay with Braxton Miller. Urban has said numerous times that our passing game is not up to snuff, and that it was not acceptable. I think recruits see these things and are a bit skeptical of a major improvement next year.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
Very simple. Did you see the passing game this year?
I think there's 2 reasons holding them back:
1) Braxton isn't a proven passer yet
2) the running game dominated our offense last year.
If we can throw for 300 a game and rush for 200 a game then every offensive weapon in the country will want to come to OSU.
Yep. Michigan's been having some trouble pulling elite WR talent, too (see: Treadwell, Laquon). With a QB who's more capable a passer, I'm hoping that will change soon.
Probably not with Shane Morris... Kid isn't even accurate.
If there is a choice between running the ball first or passing the ball first in Urban's offense, it will always be running the ball. If Urban has his choice between the #1 Pro Style HS QB and the #1 Dual Treat HS QB, both 5-Stars. Who is he always going to take?
Man I hope that he would take the kid who can do both.
Has Urban ever had 1000yd outside receiver? He seems to push the interior of the field for his mismatches created by the scheme.
We need to get our passing game going this year. We seemed to be a run first offense and our receivers would do more blocking then catching. The thing that bugged me was a lot of the passing plays we would call it seemed like our receivers wouldn't get open or Braxton would be to hesitant to throw them the ball. Look for Braxton to improve his passing game and mechanics this year and get our WRs more involved
So Marshall is a great fit. I think Corn Elder is also. That should be enough additional weapons this year to elevate interest next year
We need to average more than 20 pass attempts per game next year too. Bump that to 27-30 per game.
The only reason I can think of is that it is much, much hotter down south. Which makes campus a virtual skin show every day. The scenery is great down here.
Apparently you're not a regular at (br)Oval Beach?
Oval Beach hardly even exists anymore, now that second semester ends in the beginning of may. It's the worst thing to happen to the world since autotune
Whoa, didn't even think about that. Since school's starting ealier now, I'd expect that you at least see a lesser version then?
Not really, Ohio weather is still too bipolar in mid-August, so the ground is sorta moist all of the time. It's Ohio, so literally anything could happen, but hopefully it warms up early this year. Oval Beach gets me through finals
You mean since Bieber.
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In my opinion it really has to do with Meyer's scheme and implementation. The goal of his offense is to spread the defense out, attacking the resulatant vulnerabilities--especially with the arithmatic advantage that a running quarterback provides. Instead of using this philosophy to open the pass, he uses it mainly to run a Woody Hayes/Tresselball derivative, albeit with more strategic formation strategy. Since he's such a run-heavy offensive mind, pass plays are typically "constraint" options, or designed plays to allow super athletes to make plays in open space out of the slot (see Harvin, Percy). Unfortunately, none of this really makes for a beneficial enviornment that a top-tier wideout would find appealing; as they want to play in a system that utilizes them more prominently and showcases their abilities on a greater level. I can't fault guys for this thought process; while it's true that the best players rarely ever slip through the NFL's cracks, the best money is typically reserved for the guys who get their name out there early and often. For every Calvin Johnson, there's 10 Marquise Lees.
agreed hodge. and i think an important distinction is this: some top ranked recruits at WR might look towards more traditional offenses. a lot of teams have a more consistent pass-oriented offensive identity. on the other hand, top ranked athletes in the draft come out of tOSU. our coaching staff is so good that we can develop talent with anyone in the country. so while we might not be getting the top 5-10 WR's in any given class, i'm confident in this program's ability to make the 30th ranked WR into something special. besides his stellar W-L record and national championships, that's what makes urban great. he can land the 5* studs, and will continue to do so, or he can simply take a kid with a great work ethic and high ceiling, and make him into one.
Exactly. Urban's system doesn't rely on the prototypical "wideout" build like many Pro-Style sets do; therefore, scoring the cream of the crop at said position is more of a luxury than a requirement. Conversely, landing the five-star slot guys and speedsters is a much more salient goal for this offense.
You can make the same distinction here with a number of positions: TEs, where Urban favors a more athletic pass-catcher to an "extra lineman" type; OLs, where we're aiming for leaner, smaller dudes compared to the larger builds targeted by Bollman; QBs, where we're exclusively after the dual-theat; and even in LBs, where the Ryan Shazier/Mike Mitchell mold is the new normal.
This will be a thing of the past in a few years. They will begin to throw the ball more as Braxton gets better and then I think you will see Barrett step in after that and be a good passer from the beginning. We stil have some good ones coming in though so I am not worried.
I agree with you... I believe it's about Braxton's consistency and the number of pass attempts we have each game.
Ohio State pulled a lot of top receivers even when we were a very "punt is the most important play..." and what was considered by most as one of the most conservative caveman offensive schemes in the nation (at least for a top football program) and we were still able to routinely pull top WR talent. I think the Ohio talent was just down at wideout since the end of the Tressle era and Urban is coming in a little hamstrung...if we weren't so dry at linebackers this year and didn't really need to get the defensive line stocked, I think he would have loved to concentrated on recruiting more at wideout...but Urban came here and immediately said we need to follow the SEC recipe of top lineman (mainly D line) before anything else and we had to do it with less scholarships. Tough task, but he's got that D line stockpiled and I think next year he goes harder and more evenly after skill positions guys.
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Wouldn't say that we pulled top receiver talent. Sure, cooper did a heck of a job bringing in players. But in all actuality, during tressels regime, it wasn't the level of talent they pulled in. It was coaching, and moving players around to fit certain roles. Keep in mind ted ginn was the national DEFENSIVE player of the year coming into osu. He was a stud db...but tress saw his raw athletic ability and plugged him in at wr. Rest is history. Darrell hazell is the reason we had so many stud receivers this past decade. Even with an archaic offense, he got guys coached up and in the league.
The fact ohio state receivers were well received in the draft is a testament to the coaches getting them ready. And the players themselves having the dedication and desire to work hard and become complete recievers.
I believe as the pro game/scheme starts to shift to "spread", the wideouts will have no choice. It is starting to happen.
Look for Urban to add some of the newer spread sets possibly diamond that SF is running.
It also has to do with the kids. I mean we probably land Robert Foster if he didn't blow it for himself. Had that recruitment worked out we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Probably the same with Gibson... Apparently the staff saw something over the weekend that caused them to hand out offers to other kids.
Yeah, it's not like they are really missing out on that many guys. Quick was a tough sell anyway, and with his hometown team looking like they'll be preseason top 10 with an easy schedule he can stay home and be part of something special. That's 3 guys we've mentioned and all have very special circumstances. It's not like people are just not interested in Ohio State.
I think it's just a matter of offensive scheme...we don't have as many downfield plays in the playbook as say an Alabama. We occasionally pop a big bomb but a lot of our offense is ball control spread with short pass patterns that relies on the shorter, lighter guys with burst and quickness. Just my opinion though..
But it will only be matter of time. Guys who watch and see Devin Smith go deep down the sidelines to catch the ball will eventually realize they can do the same thing. It might just take another year of seeing the offense "open" up.
I do think seeing guys like Jalin Marshall and Ezekial Elliot make big plays in this offense on short patterns with big-time YAC will soon make us forget about Quick, Foster, etc. While they would've been big splashes for us recruiting, this offense will still go full speed without them.
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I think people in this thread, and possibly some recruits, are selling Braxton short. His problem right now is with consistency and quickly diagnosing defenses. Given that last year was his first in a new offense --you could say it was the first in any offense at all-- it is not unreasonable to assume that he will improve both in his second season under Meyer. Of course, not having top receivers could complicate things.
well my idea of a true top wr are those guys like calvin, fitz, moss. tall, big, fast with inredible hands. those guys are almost always going to drift to the way of pro style offenses. not in terms of a topr wr in terms of production (a la wes welker) theres where you get the variance. a guy like pervy harvin or wes welker can run the shallow crossing routes, help in the option, run the ball, screens etc. and can thrive in either a spread or pro style. from my limited memory, michael jenkins was the last prototypical WR we had, I still think to this day roy hall could have been that kind of guy at ohio state but once the buckeyes became predicated on gonzo, santonio and teddys blazing speed
For the lack of big-time recievers we get... I'm pretty sure tOSU has produced the most current WR in the NFL.. At least they had the most last season, not sure about this year.
And who besides Santanio Holmes is really relevant in the NFL?
Hartline had a really good season for the phins over 1000 yards
...yea, and over 200 sum odd yards in one game. Worst part was I actually considered starting him on my fantasy team and wussed out.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.