Why am I not surprised?
"The NCAA national office has uncovered an issue of improper conduct within its enforcement program that occurred during the University of Miami investigation. Former NCAA enforcement staff members worked with the criminal defense attorney for Nevin Shapiro to improperly obtain information for the purposes of the NCAA investigation through a bankruptcy proceeding that did not involve the NCAA."
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/20...
Just read about it. Posted it over in the Football forum. I'm very curious how they suddenly overstepped the bounds of their authority, yet didn't when hammering OSU and Penn State. One thing's for sure. It's going to be a while longer before the Miami ruling is released.
"The time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." - Woody Hayes
They didn't overstep anything with us, PSU perhaps(although warranted).
Someone explain how the NCAA overstepped it's authority with us(since I'm being downvoted).
Edit - The media may have had a field day with our issues, but the NCAA did what it does. They even mentioned they could have hit us harder had more ppl cooperated. Now if they were overstepping, don't you think they would have went ahead and hit us with LOI anyway?
I still think the LOI came from the Posey and Boom work privileges deal. But as far as the NCAA overstepping their boundaries with tOSU, that's something that could be argued ad nauseam. There are arguments for both sides of that fence.
-The Aristocrats!
We didn't get a LOIC. We got a Failure to Monitor; which was also botched because I believe OSU was the first program to get a bowl ban without a LOIC.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
And don't forget the NCAA would not even consider the evidence Posey's attorney tried to present.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
I never said we got LOI, I said we easily could have been hit with that had a few witnesses testified. The NCAA was quite clear that they were going to start coming down harder on schools with serious violations. OSU just happened to be one first, if not the first, to be sentenced under the new stricter standards. I think most ppl expected the bowl ban(I did).
@ Cincy...that reply wasn't directed at you.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
Rbuck - I see that now, guess it helps to actually read rather than skim.
Agree RBuck. They broke precedent that had been established for decades prior by making OSU the first school to receive a post-season ban without LOIC. IMO much of this was due to the national media bloodlust against OSU that was incredibly vocal at the time.
My guess is that the community at large feels the overstep was the post-season ban, when that was not entirely consistent with precedent. Gene Smith obviously thought it wasn't going to happen, and he had been in position on the infractions committee to have some idea of what precedent dictated. Similarly, Gee's comments on his talks with the other key leaders involved corroborate the notion that everyone was surprised by the severity (relatively speaking) of the punishment based on established precedent.
(Yes, I know, everyone thinks Smith and Gee are dumb/the devil/to blame for global warming/etc.)
With all of the recruiting talk, I think you're all forgetting the letter "C"
LOI is a bit different from LOIC. Letter of Intent vs. Lack of Institutional Control
You're right. Thank You/corrected.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
Sorry, I was on an iPhone and I have big dumb man hands.
-The Aristocrats!
Heck, Ohio State GAVE the NCAA, everything they wanted and more as soon as it found out Tresell was being less than forthcoming.
Agree. Players getting paid by boosters for hours never worked didn't help our defense.
Absolutely ridiculous, and par for the course with the NCAA.
So is the NCAA investigating its own enforcement program. This makes sense. Institutions generally do a good job investigating their own misdeeds. I trust the NCAA to get it right 100%.
Please tell me there's no way the U can get off on technicalities.....
I found a pict of the guy responsible for this botched investigation.
^ +1,000,000
Yet you didn't give a him a single one!!!! Don't worry Tenn, I got you covered.
"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."
Actually, I did. Sometimes my vote doesn't show, and when I try to vote again it tells me I already voted.
That's cool man. But you can see why I'd post what I did right? ;)
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That's a good picture of Mark Emmert
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
ridiculous....
Honestly i'm probably in the minority here but i think "the U" has had enough punishment. They've self imposed two bowl bans and an ACC title game. I think thats pretty adequate punishment. Maybe the NCAA should tack on a few scholarship reductions and fines but for the most part I think they should be fine. The NCAA on the other hand is an absolute joke and continue to prove it time and time again. Some drastic changes need to be made, and fast, throught the organization.
I think it depends on what actually happened. If the U paid for strippers, prostitutes, and abortions (as has been claimed by some) I would argue that two year bowl ban is too light a punishment. I have no idea if any or all of those things occurred. Just seems like it may be a bigger deal, if for nothing else than sending a message. I also think that the coaches should be punished as well, although I don't favor the scarlett letter approach that Tress received.
Thats a valid point and i hadn't heard the abortion part of the story. However, All of this is pointless since the NCAA is too incompetent to even figure out what Miami did wrong without doing something wrong themselves. It's rediculous.
Their punishment is having to play in a half empty Orange Bowl. It's pretty sad with all that talent in and around Miami/Dade, that they cant get 70k to show up on Saturdays. I personally think College football is better when Miami and FSU are good. Anyone remember when they were??? the SEC wasn't so good then.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Interesting read here.
Relevant quotes:
"Not long after issuing that statement Wednesday word spread that he NCAA actually had Shapiro's attorney on its payroll and that the attorney had aided the NCAA in its UM investigation." (<-definitely a clown show).
""That is my big question--why now as if it has not happened in the past?" wondered Dr. David Ridpath, Assistant Professor of Sports Administration at Ohio University who is an expert on the NCAA process. "I have been accusing enforcement of not following their own rules for years (interviewing wrong people, threats, improper procedures, rogue investigators etc.) and they always rebuffed me saying the system was perfect. My only thought is someone was ready to blow the lid on this (Shapiro perhaps??) and Emmert had no choice. I cannot imagine him doing this unless he saw a storm coming."
Why the h would someone want to be an expert on the NCAA process? And does the NCAA even have a "process" ?
Considering the source of most of these allegations is a low-life con artist in jail for a $930 million ponzi scheme... The NCAA had better be absolutely sure they are on solid ground.
according to OTL (outside the lines), an ncaa investigator had shapiro's attorney ask questions at a hearing dealing with the money end of shapiro's ponzi schemes. otherwise being the ncaa would not have been able to get that information. and it came to light because the attorney for shapiro billed the ncaa for the time. on otl they are saying that miami might get off without any more harm due to this.
Dang. Wouldn't this just figure that the NCAA makes a mess of their investigation and then U gets off relatively easy. I guess we'll see what happens.
SMH.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
RIP NCAA! If this case is overturned and the U skates it will be the first domino to fall.
Next, if the state of PA wins their case against the NCAA on the PSU penalties that will be the second.
I have a feeling the big collegiate powers are going to try to leave the NCAA sooner than later. President Gee even said in an interview he believes that NCAA will be history in five years.
The writing is on the wall.....
I really hope the U doesn't get off easy. The stuff going on in Coral Gables was at least ten times worse than what happened at OSU and even U$C, and the NCAA lightening its hammer due to this internal breakdown is just proof that the organization has completely lost control of its own process and is meting out punishment at the whim of media outrage rather than actual infractions committed by the staff in question. For the sake of college football, the players, and fans, I do hope the NCAA dies a swift death.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
If misconduct on other investigations comes to light the NCAA is going to be sued to death. Finding that misconduct should be the focus of some investigative reporters with major chops right now.
Seriously. If the NCAA botched the Miami investigation, if I'm a school or coach that has been investigated within the last 5 or so years, I'm inquiring about an investigation into their investigation of my school. Chances are this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
And given the number of shady characters in and involved with the Ohio State smackdown, what are the odds they seriously crossed some line somewhere in that witchhunt?
Exactly.