I know this is an uncomfortable topic, but due to the recent turn of events (namely Corey Smith committing and James Clark openly showing love to OSU), does OSU pull their offer to Timmons?
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Dont think it was committable to begin with
Glad you said it because I didn't think it was committable as well.
I think it's telling that he refuted the theory about the offer being for a grey shirt, but not that it wasn't committable
Timmons setting his announcement date to before NLOID was his way of telling OSU that he would not wait to cash in his conditional offer.
He is gone, even if we whiff on D Wilson
I don't know if the offer will be pulled necessarily, but he may not be able to commit to OSU. It's a numbers game and he simply could be left out. He's announcing the day before Signing Day and I think other targets are announcing on Signing Day.
Who knows though, the staff may know more by early next week as far as where Bell and others are headed and will have a better idea of who they can definitely take and who they can't.
He's going to go to UK.
Hopefully we can get either Wilson or Clark now.
I hope he goes to Florida. There he can make an impact on a big stage. At UK he's going to be a good player but against Miami of Ohio or WKU, then get to play in 1 or 2 Music City Bowls. I think the staff knows where they stand with Bell. Clark could be a flip to the good guys, but I think the ship has sailed on Bell.
Might wanna make it first come first serve and then release the person(s) who won't be getting an offer, as well make sure the announcement doesn't come till NSD. I feel they are going to hold on as long as possible to try and land Bell, and wilson is looking more and more like a buckeye every day. who knows how it ends, but it sure is exciting
Is is possible that he chose the February 5th announcement as a way of cutting to the front of the line with Clark and Wilson? Maybe this isn't a popular opinion around here, but I think that the kid is a better prospect than either in terms of suddenness and lateral movement, and possibly speed. I would love to have him.
I have a feeling that if Wilson or Smith are coming to OSU, they are already silently committed
You mean Clark?
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Smith is publicly commited, I assume you mean Clark?
Sure do, sorry about that, I'm trying to type during a lecture hah
He has or had a committable offer. He chose wisely to let things play out. He still has a committable offer So many on here try to act as they know everything. I bet the staff get on here and laugh at us all. Yes you Too. I know who I would want to go to war with every Saturday. Its going to be fun no matter what.
Clark to Clemson
Wilson to Oregon
Timmons to UK/Fla/OSU? No idea.
Bell to UT
Smith to Miss St/UT/OSU? I wouldnt believe anything he says until signing day
Don't think anyone claims to know everything, it's speculation. That said, you're guilty of doing the same thing that you're criticizing.
I think I used the word "US"
Yeah but by saying that his offer is/was committable, you basically discredit yourself with the rest of the statement
Funny, I do not feel what you are sayin. Im just glad I have never in real life or on a computer felt the need to try and demean someone. Im sure you havent either. Its a little rediculous to do so isnt it?
Agree, I'm sure neither of us have ever done that.
Smith is ALREADY committed to OSU. Happened today. :)
I like it. Nice artwork.
Derp - wrong thread...
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First off...like and respect you 1.8...but I don't believe in the "noncommittable" offers. It's disingenuous and not something that Urban and Co. would do to be honest. Why offer just bc FL did or bc Arkansas/KY or whomever are close to getting a commitment or whatever. Doesn't make sense...
Secondly...what's to say he doesn't even choose OSU??? I personally think that's what happens...he chooses KY or FL and not OSU...IMHO of course. Good luck to him where ever he goes bc he won't end up at OSU.
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Sorry for no link, but I feel like Alex and a few others have mentioned players getting non commitable offers in the past? Am I alone in this?
Edit: here is a copy from an Alex article on jt Barrett.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/03/catching-up-with-jt-barrett-unoffi...
The noncommittable offers aren't my personal opinion, so I take no offense in how you feel about them, no worries there. I feel that they do exist, because they've been used before by Urban and many other BCS coaches. I personally believe that Timmons's offer is conditional, but that's just my opinion.
I'm sorry but this whole thing seems dumb to me.
Either you have an offer for a scholarship or you don't.
It's true or false, black or white, 1 or 0. There is no middle ground.
If you can't say "I'll take it" at the end of getting one, you don't have an offer, period. The coaches may like you they may tell you you're great they may even make an offer later but you don't have one now! Obviously this is only in reference to a scholarship offer, not preferred walk on status.
A non commitable offer is like going on a job interview and the people you interview with saying they like your credentials but letting you walk out without offering you a job. Sure they may really like you and you may come back later but if you can't say "I'll take it" there is no offer!
Call it whatever you want, but the conditional offer isn't a figment of anyone's imagination. We know guys claim offers they can't commit on. Maybe it's an ego thing. I'm not interested in arguing the semantics of it, because I often think it's as pointless as you say, but the concept is real, and we can see it in practice.
Sorry CC, but your line of reasoning is flawed. Urban et al has offered over 110 kids for 2014. Needless to say, only 1/5 of them can be accepted under scholarship. This practice isn't soley domain to OSU, every school does it.
“You have to make decisions, ... I've never pretended that every decision I've made was right. And I've been reminded of that.”
- James Patrick Tressel
How is the logic flawed? Seems very simple. If I need to get things in order before I can commit I don't have an offer.
Maybe I'm stuck on the symantics, but "Conditional" seems more appropriate that "Commitable".
The fact that we offer 100 kids is independant of whether they can accept the offer.
If we actually offer 50 kids and we have 25 spots open and the first 25 commit, the other offers are no longer open. Closing an offer to someone who hasn't commited is how it works, presumably this is what happened to D. Green after EZE et al committed. (just speculation)
I would definitely agree. Conditional is a much clearer term. If ________ (condition) happens, you could commit. Consider the offer conditional, because we have to look at all of our options. Non-commitable and conditional are synonymous, but conditional makes more sense to me.
Whatever one thinks of it... it is done and it clearly works.
Agreed.
WOW! Pull the offer? What crack are you guys on?
There is no way, absolutely no chance that OSU pulls ANYONES offer unless it is for program rules or not qualifying to attend! Do you understand what kind of reputation that would send out? To even ask the question is not thinking!
Despite how you feel about Timmons, OSU will not pull the offer! They will never do anything so disrespectful because future recruits will question their offers and standing with the program. We do not want that!
Agreed. Shouldn't/wouldn't happen.
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Have to agree here. His coach said that the offer is commitable, but I wouldn't be surprised if there might be a contingency with it. However, Urban and Hinton are doing an in-home tomorrow, and why have Urban do that if the offer is squishy at best? Just doesnt seem sensible, not at this late date. But what the hell do I know, I am not OSU staff/recruiter, nor do I play one on TV. UK friend says that Timmons is getting a lot of love from UK, they really want him. Should be interesting to see how tomorrow goes.
You my friend nailed it but no one listened!
Playing devil's advocate, they might be going to ask him to push off his decision until NLOI day so that they can see where they stand with Bell and Clark.
Didn't they pull Derrick Green's offer, so to speak?
They "stopped recruiting him', which is the same thing. Just like they stopped recruiting quite a few other players that they didn't allow to visit. No one calls it a pulled offer, but every school does it.
I actually don't think "stopped recruiting" is the same as pulling an offer. If you just say to a recruit "hey, we think we are going to looking elsewhere and think you will fit in better somewhere else" is definitely different than saying "we are pulling the offer". Pulling an offer straight means we don't want you at all. Stop recruiting is more of a mutual agreement.
I do think Green was told we are not going to take anymore RB but I don't think they said his offer will no longer be available. I'm sure if Green contacted Urban a month ago and said I absolutely want to play at OSU and want to commit right away, Urban would consider it. If Urban pulls an offer, Urban most likely won't consider anything. To me that is the difference.
Ok, so if they tell Timmons, "sorry, no room at the inn", isn't that sort of a mutual agreement as well? I think it's just a semantic argument at this point. When push comes to shove, there are times when a kid may want to commit, and not be allowed.
It is semantic but to a recruit, I think there is a difference. Sorry no more room is still different than "we are pulling your offer". Maybe sorry there is no more room is what the OP was thinking but that is not what the title and basis is saying. It is basically stating that Urban should contact Timmons right now and saying "the offer you got last week is now void". I think that would be a crap way of doing it and I don't agree with it.
Not to mention the OP assumes that there is no room. We have no idea who else is going to commit and there are most likely 2-3 slots available (depending on what is really happening with Corey Smith). To assume that Bell and others are already slotted to the point to start telling kids "sorry no more room" would be foolish right now. Until February 6th, anything goes and Urban needs to keep all options on the table until then.
I actually would like to see Urban make a late run at the OT that just left FSU. Don't think it will happen but why not!
I think some people may be confusing what the media calls this practice and what actually occurs. When you are dealing with people you don't generally want to burn bridges or like some people have pointed out sound like a jerk and say your offer is gone (unless the recruit does something that warrants it such as an arrest or not getting his grades etc.. in order). It is easier for a person not privy to the details of recruiting to understand what someone means when they say that kid doesn't have an offer anymore or that the offer was pulled. It's similar to the 'committable' vs. 'uncommittable' discussion. I doubt any coach is as blunt as the media make it sound. They probably don't call D. Green and say your offer is gone good luck to you. They probably say hey we told you we were looking to take one running back and we got a commit so we can't fit another RB in this class. It's not like the media says the coaches tell players directly what is committable and so forth. It's more discrete than that, but the media doesn't have to worry about feelings of teenagers so they report it as it really is.
"...they're midgits!"-Coach Kerry Coombs
Maybe this is just semantics, but they have "pulled" lots of offers. Once we are full at a position they have essentially "pulled" the offers of everyone else at that position. See the above comment about Derrick Green. We cancelled the visit of at least one LBer once Mitchell and Johnson committed.
But someone keeps feeding this rediculous crap. All I have to say is be careful for what you wish for. Many comment about A&M, Bama and others. Believe it or not there is a right way and a wrong way to conduct yourself. I suggest you choose someone other than the OSU if you expect a program to win at all costs. In a reputable program The normal way a scholarship is conditional normally involves grades and testing.
Are you saying OSU has never shown a "win at all costs" mentality?
Enlighten me
As much as we love Tress, he did hide the fact that guys traded merch for tats when he could have suspended them for a couple games and been fine. Woody punched a player running down the sideline, which I'm sure had something to do with competitive fire and a hatred for losing.
You need to read up on the Woody punch. He didn't do that to stop the guy, he punched him after he was tackled and out of bounds. They were getting up and celebrating in front of the OSU sideline and Woody comes in and sucker punches him. Had nothing to do with "doing anything you can to win".
and Tress not rating out his players because of an email has very little similarities to pulling offers or having uncommittable offers because the kid isn't good enough as the others are.
Again, despite how you feel, the tatgate reputation is bad enough. Last thing this team needs is for top flight recruits questioning if OSU wants them bad enough.
If Urban blatantly lets it be known that he is removing the offer of a recruit this year, how do you thing Snodgrass would feel after being told not to verbal till after NSD for whatever reason? If Urban does that, any recruit that is told something like this will just think "well they must not want me and I don't want to end up like Timmons 1 week from NSD"!
Win at all cost attitude works for me but stupidity like straight pulling an offer does not! These kids are fickle, give them the wrong impression and it could ruin a program!
FYI, how much did we all jump on Hoke for telling his verbals "if they continue to look around, then their offer is pulled"? Don't you think it would sound just like the same thing if Urban did this to Timmons?
"They were getting up and celebrating in front of the OSU sideline" is a slight stretch in Woody's favor haha. In less than 2 seconds after being tackled and standing up to face the bench, Woody had already thrown the punch. However, I agree that it had nothing to do with winning at all costs and everything to do with Woody being intense.
True but I think they would have celebrated if he didn't throw the punch. They were about to but didn't get the chance. One of the other players was looking at the sideline probably saying something. Still wasn't reason enough for what he did. What a crazy moment!
The Clarett testimony, the concealing of tatgate by the whole athletic department and who knows who else, etc. I'm one of the biggest Ohio State fans and supporters you'll find, but I won't turn a blind eye to the indiscretions that happened-- and hopefully will not happen again-- in the past.
well and that is the point. If/when these indiscretions happen it ruins the reputation and hampers recruiting. So why do something that will be just as unforgiving in the recruits eyes.
It is one thing to do something that will get you in trouble with the NCAA like Clarett and tatgate, but it is something totally different if word gets around with future recruits that OSU won't treat them with respect and an offer isn't legit unless you are "good enough".
I just think it is a damning practice and truly silly when you see kids who were deemed "not good enough for an elite program like OSU" actually become all-americans. What would we all say if Tressel went to James Laurinitus and said "you just aren't rated as high as some other LB we are recruiting and we don't have enough room for you and them so we are pulling your offer" after knowning what happened.
No kid that gets an offer from OSU is not good enough IMO! If he wants to play for OSU, I'll take him and watch him play his ass off!
Ummmmm, no. Conditional offers have nothing to do with how "reputable" a program is or a "win at all cost" mentality. It's called planning and assessing your best options. With the scholarship crunch, it's best to have a sure backup plan.
There's no way Urban is going to hold a spot for every kid that has a committable offer. That's absolutely nuts. We have/had over a hundred offers out there. I'm sure they are told and understand they have an offer, but if others commit before them they may lose their spot.
Right... if another player commits & fills a void, then yes, the offer is gone. I just don't think they would pull an offer if it is indeed commitable & they still have a need for that position & still have the room. IE, assuming Timmons offer is of the unconditional variety, then I can't see them pulling it while there is still room in the class. But honestly, I also thought it was Wednesday all day today...
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This late in the game they would not have thrown out a conditional offer. Hes qualified. Smith is the one with a condition and he cleared up that condition so my congratulations go out to him.
Um, yeah they would have. It's called a backup plan. It would be insane to think they didn't have a surefire fallback.
Urbz, part of me thinks the OSU staff will recruit 2014QB Barker the same way they have recruited Timmons, ala the backup plan. Timmons stated early in the game that he loved OSU and he's always wanted to be a Buckeye. To me, this enables the staff to slow play him and eventually give a committable offer once they feel out some of the other kids they are recruiting. The same can be said about Barker. Numerous people have said that Barker would commit on the spot if/when tOSU gives him a committable offer. The staff probably knows this and will more than likely wait for a "yay or nay" from Watson before they give the "committable" offer to Barker. It sucks for kids like Timmons and Barker who love the S&G, but that's what recruiting is all about when you are trying to lure the best talent in the nation to join your roster. Personally I'd take Timmons now & Barker in 14 because I believe that there's something about a kid who may not be rated as high as some of the others, but will give that 110% effort each time out because he truly loves the school he's playing for. You don't always get that same committment or effort from the so called "Elite" guys just looking to get to the league.
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Exactly, they want Deshaun Watson, if they wiff, they'll hard recruit Barker. The staff wants certain playmakers, but if they wiff, they'll take Timmons.
Woody is my favorite all time. The player he punched had nothing but admiration and respect. It was time for Woody to resign but I Standing on this stool at BWW's (yes 2 nights in a row) will now talk with my Milwaukee friends about Woody being the best ever. Better to talk about Woody than this miserable basketball game. Wisconsin sucks.
I was thinking if we missed on Bell, then we got Timmons but I guess that theory is shot since Timmons is announcing a day before Bell. Just give me James Clark and I'll be happy. Bell will be icing on the cake.
Seems like a lot of posters here are getting confused about the difference between pulling a commitable offer and dumping a player that already committed to you.
The first case happens ALL THE TIME and is standard operating procedure. How else could you offer 50-100 players a year?
The second case is an absolute low-ball tactic that well get you banned from recruiting whole regions and possibly even states by high school coaches. That's where you accept a commit from a player, then realize later in the game that you have better options and decide to not take the player. Doesn't seem entirely fair because players do this to college coaches quite frequently. It's just expected of immature 18 year olds, but absolutely not acceptable for coaches, who are, and should be, held to a higher standard.
On that business of non-committable offers, I don't know exactly what that means but my guess is it simply means an offer that has very specific, well defined conditions that must be met before the player will be accepted. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. In fact, that's one way of never putting yourself in the position of taking a player lower on your board than you wanted and then having your higher rated players wanting to commit but can't due to lack of scholarships.
The risk of that strategy is you have to be brutally honest with the players and risk offending their egos to the point of turning them away from your program.
Case in point likely being Ryan Timmons.
I believe that Ryan does have a committable offer. How many kids with non-commitable offers have recieved in-home visits this year.
Just looking at the situation. Can you imagine the possible bad publicity if his offer is not committable and everyone sees that
Worst Case Scenario - "this kid was slow played by tOSU coaches all year long and then 2 weeks before signing day they give him a non-committable offer. Coaches then ask him to wait until signing day to see where they stood with other players only to be told there was no room left in the class. And the worst thing is that his second school of choice just recently filled up their class. Which means this kid now has nowhere to go."
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Timmons had already announced he would make his decision on signing day before he was offered by OSU. I believe it's his decision, but may work out well for OSU. Personaaly, this is what makes me think he is not going to be a Buckeye. If this is his dream school, he would have committed by now rather than lose his spot.
Hopefully the coaching staff is doing timmons right. Doesnt look good stringing ryan along like they are, i truly believe if ryan accepts his offer, that it is honored, however imo, he is uk bound.
I don't claim to know how many more scholarships we can offer. By the looks of most people here, it looks like 2 more spots to give.
I just thought it was more than coincidence that the day Timmons was offered, was also the day we lost 2 scholarships players. Hence, the offer is committable since we suddenly have 2 more open chairs.
One could draw the conclusion that you are using a banned instinct in this forum otherwise known as good common sense!
Waycraken, while I usually find you to be insightful, and honestly quite comical just relax. Who cares. Its over done with. Move on. Dragging it on will simply make more people annoyed with you and rain you with downvotes. I know you don't care about downvotes, but its time to just pick up and move on. I'm doing this as a friendly poster not someone trying to belittle you.
So, Hoke's policy and Urban's policies have been debated a bit on here.
Hoke: Once committed, a recruit shall not take an official visit; however, under special circumstances (i.e. being up front and open with coaches), your offer is not necessarily pulled, but could be.
Meyer: Issues non-committable offers, in which, a recruit cannot commit until A) The player can be further evaluated at a camp/practice B) A more desirable recruit at the same position shows a lack of interest/commits elsewhere.
Both can be interpreted as playing with fire. For Hoke, the kids may second guess not taking additional visits or if a school shows interest late in the process, the recruit may just want to see what's out there an reaffirm his decision. This could cost the player his scholarship and could cost Hoke the commit. Hoke is trying to protect Michigan, but there is no concern for the player.
For Urban, issuing a non-committable offer to a kid that is all buckeye and ready to commit could come back to bite Urban if the kid isn't willing to wait, and/or feels spurned (ala Mike McCray, IMO). Risk for both parties. If the "Plan A" guy commits elsewhere and the "Plan B" guy, who was issued the non-committable offer, moves on, then "Plan C/D" are all that's left. For the player that chooses to wait, they may pass on offers from other schools holding out for OSU, only to have the other schools fill that spot. If the committable offer never comes, that recruit could be looking at "Plan C or D."
Personally, I feel that both policies should be tweaked. I personally don't believe in the idea of the non-committable offer. Either you're good enough, or you're not. If you're the back up plan, a late offer seems more acceptable. Hoke, meanwhile, shouldn't force the hand of some of these kids (spots available, etc) to commit before they have the opportunity to take official visits. These clearly aren't cut and dry scenarios.
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I guess the 11W staff has talked to OSUs staff to come up with the non committable tags on several recruits throughout the year. Personall If I read that garbage in hear Id find it embarrassing and it would drive me away.
IMO
With all due respect, I don't think missing on McCray "came back to bite" Meyer, given that he picked up two top national talents. There are years where that may not have happened, but this year, I don't think anyone at the WHAC is kicking themselves about McCray.
Yeah, I didn't mean from a talent standpoint with McCray compared to Johnson or Mitchell, but that by the time Urban gave him a committable offer, the Buckeyes were all but out of the running. When, early on, he was considered an OSU lock being a legacy and all that.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
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My point is, you can't really be a "lock" to a school that didn't even find you worthy of an offer until some top choices were off the board.
So if McCray received the OSU offer last February, you think he still ends up at Michigan? No, he would've committed within 2 weeks. Again, I'm not debating any of the LBs talents.
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I think we're just differing semantically, so it's not a big deal. I get what you're saying, I'm just hesitant to call a guy without an offer a "lock". Even though you guys knew that Berkeley Edwards would've accepted a scholarship if offered almost instantly, I'm not sure anyone would call him a lock to UM.
Hail, we know how much you love the Blue, but you too would commit on the spot if Urban came calling LOL :o)
I'm not sure either policy needs tweaked. Each policy seems to be working just fine.
First of all, this is one of the more thoughtful threads I've read on the topic, so well done everyone! Hail's thoughts, as well as those of others above, simply underscore the complexity of recruiting and how each strategy has its drawbacks. In Hoke's case, a recruit seems to call his bluff if he takes a trip and it puts the staff in a tight spot. In Meyer's case, you risk a kid simply running out of patience, which is not such a public rebuke of the coach, but is still a recruit you may want (ala McCray) going elsewhere.
Timmons's case is unique, I think, in that he has not run out of patience and seems to still be ready to become a Buckeye if given the green light. In this case, I do think it's "conditional" or "non-commitable" or whatever anyone wants to call it. Given the number and type of players still in play for tOSU (Wilson, Elder, Clark, Smith before yesterday), there has to be a pecking order and, for the staff, a plan given the limited spots left. Does the staff have to tell him he's Plan B or C or D? Not necessarily, but the in-house visit might suggest that whatever letter he was at one point, that's where we are.
Pulling a schollie from a player who has actually committed for any reason that is not about character or behavior is wrong. I know that players de-commit all the time, but there has to be a high road and coaches have to take it.
I couldn't agree more with Hail above (gosh that sounds strange)...anyway, it is playing with fire for both coaches. If indeed this non-committable stuff is true...then OSU will miss out on players like Timmons/Elder and others bc they keep em hanging sort of speak. As for Hoke, it's the "you can't visit after committing" which is also iffy due to the facts that these are young kids and it may behoove him to let em look around to make sure they made the correct decision. Both are sketchy if these tactics are true...and it appears they are.
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As a follow-up to my original post, what happens if you end up with more commits on NSD than scholarships available? From what I read, and using my limited math skills, we have 82 scholarships total available for this year. So, if all of our current commits sign on NSD, that leaves us with 2 left as of right now (I think). Urb and company still have many poles in the water; what if more than 2 kids commit?
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They have till the Fall to figure the numbers thing out which I'm assuming will be all but done by the Spring game. I'd look for some more to leave the program for one reason or another. It will figure itself out if you ask me...but I'm no expert by any means.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
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Looking at the class Urban has pulled in this year along with what he accomplished in a couple of months last year, it all seems to be working pretty well. If all the talk is based on the hits and misses of the final spots at the end of the class then so be it. That is when it is tough for any and all teams to get that exact player(s) to fill those final spots as needed.
OSU wants a second WR (slot guy)....wilson stays with oregon...
you have timmons and clark visiting FLA this weekend. UF isn't taking them both and UF prefers Clark...as does osu..BUT I could see the loser of the clark sweeps gettingn timmons
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Am I the only one who doesn't care whether RT, Clark, or Wilson commit to OSU? With Smith, we now have 3 WRs in this class, which is more than enough to fill out the depth chart. I like the WR talent in 2014 a lot better than these 3 guys, so I would just as soon miss on all 3 and load up on WRs next year.
Exactly which is why I really would prefer a player like Timmons who really, really wanted to play at OSU (don't know if he still feels that way) and get a surprise than take a kid who might look better to most now but will still be a project.
I would take 10 kids with heart and desire to do everything they can to help their dream school win than a slightly better player who just will play anywhere. The difference between each of these kids is not enough for me to rank them, so go with the player that would fulfill a dream!
I meant that I don't really want any of them. Personally, I want the most talented kids...not the kids who want to go to OSU the most. i think the WRs we are after next year are more talented than these 3, so I would rather wait until next year to get more receivers.
keep thinking like that. Dane Sanzenbacher wasn't the most talented. Troy Smith wasn't the most talented! Keep wanting the "more talented". I'll take the guy who will play harder because he cares more!
Why is it assumed the more talented player won't play harder than the less talented one? Its a trap a lot of people fall into. Vastly superior athletes can still work really really hard, so in reality the guy that is talented and works hard is the ideal fit.
John Simon would be a great example. Highly touted, talented guy who's work ethic is the stuff of legend. Its just not a good idea to assume guy's who didn't grow up Buckeye fans won't be better for the school than a less talented kid who bleeds S & G.
I'm on the talent side of things personally. If a guy grows up wanting to play for OSU but doesn't have the size\speed\ability as a guy who doesn't entirely care where he ends up, he isn't going to be a better fit more often times than not.
Dane is the poster child, I get it but if you sign 20 guys a year like Dane and I sign the best 20 players available, I will have the better team
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Talent is a tricky thing though. I've seen kids who were very highly rated who thought they were God's gift, but ended up not meeting expectations at the next level-and this can be applied to many areas. Of course my preference would be a 5 star who has the intangibles- intelligence, loyalty, passion, and a strong work ethic. Short of that, I would take a 4 star with those qualities over a 5 star who is lacking those intangibles.
So if Timmons ends up at Kentucky, is it reasonable to conclude that his OSU and Florida offers were not commitable, as there were spots open when he was offered by both? Just a question!
Not necessarily- he might have to go with his head versus his heart. Heart (if it hasn't been bruised)-buckeyes, head, UK. UK is his home state school, they really, really want him, he would be close to home, and they would probably use him earlier/more often than we would. His coach also said UK runs the same offense his high school does, so it would be very easy for him to pick up the offensive scheme there, which would give him a leg up on the competition.
The thing is he has always expressed love for OSU and the main coach recruiting him at UK is now at Florida.
Funny thing is my UK obsessed friend says that UK fans are pretty upset with Joker (the former UK head coach now at FSU), as it is felt that he really didn't recruit Timmon that hard while he was at UK. They feel like Timmons could have been a UK commit a while ago. That being said, had Timmons formed that strong of a relationship with Joker, he could have decommitted from UK to go to UF with Joker. So who knows.
Has Timmons gave a specific time on NSD that he is suppose to announce? Perhaps later in the day once he sees which way other OSU targets go?
He is announcing the day before.
Next year we have a chance at Marshon Lattimore, Lonnie Johnson and Drake Harris, as well as a couple others. I think that if we get two out of those three, we have done pretty well for ourselves. But Timmons skill set is different, and therefore, to me at least, worth the spot.
timmons is suppose to announce feb 5th at 1 p.m. from his school.
Reading between the lines, I get a gut feeling that the staff might be able to take as many as four additional recruits, if it comes to that.
I know they technically have only one slot available at the moment and when I went through the roster trying to spot guys who might not be around, I was at a loss in doing so.
Nevertheless, if (1). Bell, one of (2). Clark/Carrington/Timmons, (3). Wilson, and an (4). OLman all wanted to sign, I sense - based on how the staff seems to be approaching things - that they'd accomodate all four.
For example, even if Timmons' offer is not yet committable, it does suggest that if no other WR (Clark or Carringron) wants to sign, he'd have a slot available, right? Otherwise, it might be weird form to tell the kid, "we might have a spot for you at receiver, assuming that we're unable to land both this safety we're after and this OLman . . ."
Likewise, the OL depth is a bit thin - I don't see the staff turning down an OL prospect because they have the good fortune of landing Bell, Wilson, and Clark (or something to that effect). If things were as tight as they appear on paper, I'm guessing that they wouldn't be sitting at 23 right now . . .
Read where Ryan Timmons chose FEB 5th as the date because he is in a High School DECA state meeting on Dec 6th.
deca meeting on feb 6th , not december 6th?
Thanks
If Timmons "really, really wanted to play at OSU" wouldn't he already have committed? I understand if his feelings are hurt (mine would be too), but he doesn't carry enough of a big stick to carry it out until NSD (or the day before) and make his announcement. That is, if he wants to attend a big-dog school.
“You have to make decisions, ... I've never pretended that every decision I've made was right. And I've been reminded of that.”
- James Patrick Tressel
So Did Meyer and Hinton visit Timmons today like I heard they were going too? If they did what was the purpose? Surely they wouldnt visit someone to tell them they do not want them.
Still think there is a chance. Smith is an outside WR and Timmons is more of a slot. OL are gone, Bell is a longshot, and I think Clark and Wilson are both a stretch. Think it comes down to Elder or Clark.
Mean to say between Elder and Timmons ...
I think that if we have an in home visit today, we can finally put to bed the question of whether the offer is "committable" or not. At this point I'm hoping for Timmons and Bell.
I'm hoping Clark and Bell, but by no means do I think Timmons and Bell is "settling". I think Timmons is a stud, but we have other slot guys in this class. I'd like to have Clark because he is a pure WR. Either way, I'm happy with Bell and Clark/Timmons... It would be nice if the staff would take all 3.
We have players in the class that give us what Timmons give us. I would rather have a burner like James Clark.
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I empathize with ppl who don't want the kids offer pulled but sentiment hasn't won a National Chamlpionship in 8 Seasons.
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Its pretty simple really. If coach visits with Timmons and his mother today, the coach wants him in this class. If he doesnt visit he will be passing on him. Read where they were suppose to visit last night but weather interrupted.
Is there any news on that front?
Ran into Urban and Coombs today (in Cincinnati). Kerry stopped to talk to me (we've known each other a long time). Not sure if they were going north or south. Didn't bother to ask them, wasn't my business.
P.S. Urbz is a lot taller than I thought he was.
Think he's in guys. Neither Clark nor Elder going to happen. Bell and Timmons to close!
I get a down vote for that? I'm siding Timmons.
It happens.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
You got your -1 from some jerk that is jealous that you gave Timmons a positive remark. I think Ive got it narrowed down and believe me its not worth the worry. Ill give ya +1
Did urban visit timmons today?
I just wrote this on another thread... 247 is reporting we are out of the running for Timmons. I guess the staff got a silent verbal from someone or Timmons decided he didn't want to be a Buckeye.
Can't post the tweet because I'm on a work computer and policy is we can't access social media.
Hmm. must have gotten a siltent commit...
James Clark is a silent shhhhhhhhhh
Source leads me to believe OSU is hanging by a thread. Confirms no Urban in home today.
So your telling me there's a chance?
@KySportsRadio: Cats Pause reports that Ohio St has stopped recruiting Ryan Timmons.
Thats not BillyBob you are quoting is it DBEV? He is citing people from 11W saying his scholarship was pulled. It may or may not be true but KySportsRadio is horrible when it comes to posters. Its almost all Louisville people hating on UK
Timmons is going to Kentucky. Book it.
At this point I hope so. I went and purchased season tickets for UK. I am positive things will turn around with Coach Stoops. That same day Florida offered and then OSU. I still wanted OSU to get him but I am happy with UK as well. Honestly Illinois has probably done enough for him to consider them.
Kentucky will be successful under Stoops. These Youngstown guys are batshit insane about football and cannot accept failure. They're smart/obssessed enough to break down X's and O's and keep up with the trends, yet old school/blue collar enough to give guys a kick in the ass when they need them to simply be tougher. I could see UK winning 9 games within two years.
I just can't see it. UK football may never be something to talk about on a national scale. I attended there for 3 years and, on average, people simply don't care about it. I could walk out of my dorm, pay $5 for student tickets, and grab seats 10 rows off the field just minutes before kickoff. To say that they could have 9 wins within two years doesn't seem like much, but it's only happened twice since 1970.
I wish them the best and hope Timmons could help put them in the win column...just don't think it will happen.
Kentucky will not win 9 games in 2 years, unless I'm misinterpreting what you are saying and you believe both years combined, they'll have 9 wins lol. 8 times in their history they've won 9 or more games. 3 of those seasons came before 1910. 2 of those seasons were when Bear Bryant coached. They had 2, 9 win seasons in the 70's and their last one was 1984. I just don't see it happening at all.
Rich Brooks led the team to 4 years in a row where they had 7 or 8 wins and everyone was thrilled. If Stoops gets them to that point, he'll be a tremendous success. It's not going to be easy for him to get them there though.
Look at their non conference schedule. It usually has WKU and Miami of Ohio, then some pissant school like Alabama State, and there's the anual game with Louisville. 2 years from now, they aren't winning the game with louisville. I'll give them the other 3 out of conference games, so they'll have to come up with 6 wins against a slate that will include Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Missouri, Vandy and Tennessee(who they have beat 1 time in like 35 years). They also have their cross division game with Miss. St. Then they'll have another SEC west game that could be anyone.
I can't find 6 conference wins for UK in a good year against that slate.
Doesn't the report that Ohio State stopped recruiting Timmons come from some sort of Kentucky homer? Are you telling me now that there is not a chance?
Kentucky fans dont care enough about football to make stuff up about their team.
Also, that story is consistent with another pretty damned good source i just talked to today.
Timmons is going to Kentucky... and this.... all of this... was a waste of time. A gigantic waste of time.
Well man, if that's true that sucks. But hey, when it really comes down to it, all of this shit is a waste of time. But its a pretty fun and addictive waste of time.
Timmons tweet "I didn't know any schools stopped recruiting me. The things people make up"
Seems to indicate we're still in it to win it.
Good work DBEV. i saw on KSR a person named Billy Bob put that out there and then shortly after some recruiting sites were saying exactly what BillyB was saying as a fact. Everything is with a grain of salt at this point in time.
Same exact thing happened when a FOX scout guy said his scholarship was a gray shirt offer. Some of these guys do not have good sources.
Nothing is over until Feb 6th.
What are you saying way and dbev? Is tiimmons still able to commit to the good guys?
I have no idea but according to Timmons he still has a Buckeye offer. Recruiting sites are reporting Buckeyes has stopped recruiting him. I personally think web sites are overstepping the boundaries and are assuming things and reporting them as facts.
I would hope our Coaches would deal directly with the student before they say anything to anyone else. JMO
They may have. Do you think Timmons would say that he doesn't have an offer regardless? Probably not looks to other teams like maybe there is something they missed negatively. The only people who really know are the coaches and Timmons.
Bill Greene says Timmons likely to UK, OSU not really in it anymore (not sure if offer pulled or not from what he said). Just his 2 cents, which I'm using as my 2 cents I guess.
It appears that OSU is out, 247 (explicit) and Scout (implicit) in confirming it. Does appear the offer was conditional and conditions weren't met. I don't think his Gators offer will become commitable either, and he will end up at UK. If it were commitable, he would've grabbed his spot in the OSU class, I would anticipate the same at Fla. This is based off of reports out of Greene/247, not gut, not rumor, not tweets from Timmons: he obviously would want to show that the big schools were still in the hunt. Much like many other recruits who just put hats on the table to pick from, I'm not sure the interest is there anymore from OSU.
Thanks for the info. I do not understand if he had grade issues why would Fla meet with him yesterday and paying for his trip today? I know his grades are in order and his ACT as well. Out of state do you need the SAT? Thanks again for info.
If his offer becomes commitable and he goes to UF that pretty much assures Clark will end up at OSU. Clemson is fading out and Timmons would make 6 WR's to UF. I still think he ends up at UK tho.
Yeah you would think if there was not interest in Timmons it's because Ohio State knows they are getting Clark or Wilson.
Rivals has said (not confirmed, but strongly sourced) that Timmons UF offer is conditional on Clark. If Clark commits this weekend Timmons is out that offer.
And Urban cancelling an in home is explicit that OSU is done with the kid. I'd read this as good news in terms of that other prospects.
Urban's in-home was canceled because he got stuck in weather in Nashville. I think Urban and the staff are pretty confident in either Wilson or Clark.
Cancelled and resecheduled are two very different things.
Considering Urban was in Cincy yesterday and Timmons is on an OV to UF today... I'm not sure where you find time to reschedule.
Urban was also in Kentucky yesterday. And, news flash, if you want a kid and you are afraid you are going to lose him right before signing day you make sure a visit happens. I understand that Timmons is this boards favorite thing ever because Waycracken has an unhealthy obsession, but nothing the staff has ever done in regards to him has indicated a very strong desire to have him on the team (now they did like him enough that if not for the schollie reduction he probably would have gotten an offer a long timer ago).
Do you really have to throw out an insult? I have no idea why you feel compelled to do that but go ahead I am glad Im there for you. I will just look at it as good therapy so that you dont do something else with that anger. Have a nice day Elast.
You are correct imo.
Agreed Plus UF had pre arranged time with Timmons on Thursday. Im not so sure of anything and things are being kept close to the vest. I think it will end up Clark at UF Timmons UK and OSU just one more to sign and not to sure who or what position because we are already set.
UK looks like they are adding 2 more good recruits tonight. A WR and a RB.
Well timmons grrades are excellent, so that is definitely not an issue. He made honor roll both school sessions this year.
Wow. I dont get it. Someones absolutely ugly in jealousy. Ill give you +1
I doubt kids are getting their feelings hurt. I am willing to bet that most of the kids, parents, coaches etc are aware of the fact that this is all about business. These offers, recruitments, commitments are all business decisions for the school and the kids themselves. I would have to think that they remove personal feelings and try to approach this from a pragmatic perspective, which is how it should be. Sure a kid might be miffed that he is behind others at a certain school, but it is up to the kids to play the game as well. If coaches went around trying to keep feelings from getting hurt, we wouldn't see good recruiting. Jmo
Good point and I think that is probably the case here. The kid probably knows the facts, but a lesson he has probably had to learn along the way.
Yea ill give you that. I think these kids learn a great deal during this whole process, but I am sure if we can tell what's going on from an outside perspective, in relation to priority of recruits, that these kids can as well. Some might get bad advice, but if they have a good person in their lives (parents, coach, mentor) I think they weigh their options and make an informed decision based on visits, depth chart, exposure to the NFL, playing time etc. Timmons wanted to go to tOSU, but you could see his mature approach by the way he has sat back and weighed his options and I think ultimately, he will be happy with what he chooses to do and be successful.
'85 I disagree; I think the recruits do have their feelings hurt. I don't think 17-18 year old kids view this from "a pragmatic perspective". That's why they jump on Twitter and market themselves. They want people to recognize them, appreciate them, and approve of them (the 3 driving human emotions). They don't have Twitter accounts to procure feedback that consists of constructive criticism or comments that are judgemental.
“You have to make decisions, ... I've never pretended that every decision I've made was right. And I've been reminded of that.”
- James Patrick Tressel
Timmons is out...not happening...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
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Ok. Im a little confuse. Read something where someone ask Timmons to pick up an Aaron Craft SI this weekend??? Anyone guessing? Probably someone with old info?
I'm confused by this statement.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rimmons_5/status/297434292873748481/photos
have no idea which airport. How ironic.
lol no kidding, I could see UK and Ohio State gear being peddled at like CVG because both schools are "close", but no where on earth can I picture an airport where all three schools would have commonplace. Unless it's like a champs sports in an airport.
That was a cool picture.
I don't know if Timmons gets his card pulled.
Timmons' card:
Clark's card:
I am hoping OSU has parted ways with Timmons. First and foremost all Timmons threads can be deleted. Secondly with only a 1 scholarship avail, the potential for 9-10 WR on the roster, and I just don't think he will add anything we don't already have committed or on roster. They should focus on Bell or a OL.
Waycracken? Is there still a chance?
You can watch Timmons live tomorrow at 1:00pmET when he makes his decision on which school to attened: http://www.ihigh.com/CentralKentuckyNetwork/broadcast_280630.html?silverlight=1
I'll be there, eating popcorn, in front of my computer. As long as Gene still has him on our targets, I'll still hope.
Hello Yankee. Im like everyone else and guessing UK. I talked with Mike Mitchell on a plane this past year (Ohio U/Oakland Raider)and he said if there was one piece of advice he could give any recruit is to go where you are most wanted. Promises are made to some without having that first practice. Hopefully he becomes a successful young man much the same way Randall Cobb did.
Hey Way, thanks much man. The kid looks like a beast, best of luck to him.
pretty clear dontre took timmons spot if we were still in the picture. hope he goes to uk.
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I wish ryan good luck in college ball, hope he chooses uk, he will be a star there
I think he actually has a better chance at Florida, not to mention it would be a better education
I doubt he has a spot at Florida if Clark ends up there. It is somewhat amusing that of the 3 schools he is "choosing" from, only 1 probably has a spot for him. I guess that makes the choice easier to make.
You may be right. Supposedly he enjoyed his visit. I was going to go to his announcement today, if i do i am pondering wearing some buckeye stuff.
Jaleel Hytchye is faster than Timmons and he played in the GCL!
That must meanUK has 2 guys faster than the Buckeye recruits. Jalen being faster than 4.35 40 and 10.61 100 is damn good. Glad UK could get him
I think they're both entered into the UK High School Invite next week in both the 60 M dash and the 200 M dash. That's some goooooood high quality track action for this early in the season.
Where is that taking place?
Nutter Field House on the UK campus. February 16th.