The 2013 class currently has 10 recruits from Ohio, less than half of the class. Despite what some people think about JT, this is not unprecedented as JT brought in a couple classes with a comparable percentage of Ohio/OOS prospects. However, with Urban determined to grab the best prospects from around the country and Ohio being a little thin in talent next year, 2014 could be a historically low haul of Ohio recruits for the Buckeyes. How many Ohio kids do you think sign with the Buckeyes next year? I'll go with six:
Marcelys Jones, Marshon Lattimore, Dante Booker, Kyle Berger, Snodgrass (or another of a pretty good crop of Ohio WRs), and one of Kyle Trout/Nick Richardson.
So, what does the board think? Over or under?
Tough call, especially given the in roads Meyer seems to be making in states like Georgia and Michigan right now. I'm going to say under (as of now) just because I think the class size for '14 will be relatively small maybe 18 guys total. The more the class size expands the greater chance that we go over the 6 number though. There's just so much out-of-state talent we are "in" on right now...
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Definitely a tough call. I'm probably leaning towards a push here. You named 5 guys who are seemingly bound to be Buckeyes and I figure one of 2 of the latter 2 you mentioned would likely be a Buckeye too. Hell, we could get all 7 of them, but I wouldn't put it higher than 7.
This is going to be a tricky class due to limited schollies... I think Meyer will be able to cherry pick the kids he wants... In state and out of state. Especially if we go to the NC or Rose Bowl and win. It will show that Meyer can win no matter where he's coaching. Obviously he's proved that, but most people are watching to see how he competes with the SEC in our present time.
If we get to the NCG and happen to beat an SEC team in that game, recruiting will become even easier than it seems to be right now for Meyer and the coaches. Results on the field speak the loudest. Year one was great, year two could be even better!
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I'm gonna take the over. Look at the trend below.
Jim Tressel 2010
2010 Recruiting class: 9/19 recruits were from Ohio
2010 Roster: 44/85 athletes were from Ohio
Jim Tressel* 2011
2011 Recruiting class: 14/23 recruits were from Ohio
2011 Roster: 47/85athletes were from Ohio
Urban Meyer 2012
2012 Recruting class: 15/25
2012 Roster: 40/85 athletes were from Ohio
Urban Meyer 2013
2013 Recruiting class: 10/22 recruits were from Ohio
2013 Roster: ???
Urban Meyer 2014
2014 Recruting class: 1/2 recruits are from Ohio. **
Given that the trend isn't linearly inc/dec if you plot on graph (number of players from Ohio vs. year) you'll see we're hovering around 11-12 recruits from Ohio give or take. OSU will easily cover this...
Notwithstanding, I took all of these numbers and was gonna make a nice graph to prove a point but I can't really do it since the data is not linear. However, I will ask, is anyone at all concerned with the fact that the number of Ohio players on the rosters could decrease in the future years? I could see Meyer skimming the cream of the state off the top and recruiting nationally to fill in the holes. If this is true, what does this say to an athlete who grew up wanting to play at OSU and is good enough but doesn't get an offer. I could see them going to rival schools only to beat OSU because they didn't get an offer. How many times did Bo play the, you weren't good enough to go to OSU card to manipulate recruits. I can clearly see Hoke doing this too. In a way, I wish the number of instate recruits wasn't fluid but static to where we got a good amount from instate vs. out of state. Is anyone concern with this? And if you aren't concern with this, look at which state is filling up other B1G rosters. All of that good talent we're leaving on the table is getting placed on other teams rosters but you can't have them all. The never ending problem of recruitment in Ohio for OSU.
*Tressel Fired and replaced with Fickell
**This number is still growing.
Ohio State's band SLAUGHTERED Michigan's band. If this were a football game, it would have been Florida State vs. Savannah State. - SB Nation following OSU vs. UM 2012
"If this is true, what does this say to an athlete who grew up wanting to play at OSU and is good enough but doesn't get an offer"
It says exactly that-If you aren't good enough to earn an offer, you aren't good enough to earn an offer. The Ohio State University is a state institution. The Ohio State Football program is a nationwide institution. If a guy goes to a smaller school and has success, OSU didn't miss on someone any more than any other major power house did. I'm all for the best 22 being on the field-if all 22 of them are from North Dakota I care little. Talent wins, not state loyalty. There are players to be found all over the country, Meyer aims to get the best. Hell, he lived in a talent hot bed in Florida for years and ventured out of the state to find players that helped him get 2 NC's. I'm perfectly ok with the talent breakdown because "Talent" is the key. If a Tight End from Ohio doesn't get an offer from Meyer and a Tight End from Michigan does-its safe to assume said Mitten State player is the better option for OSU.
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I get what you're preaching but conversely are you saying that you're wiling to take ONLY 4 and 5 star recruits then and overlook other instate players? How many times have we see those athletes with all these stars ***** be flops at OSU.
Edit: Ahh Staurday said exactly what I wanted to say.
Ohio State's band SLAUGHTERED Michigan's band. If this were a football game, it would have been Florida State vs. Savannah State. - SB Nation following OSU vs. UM 2012
The impact of not recruiting Ohio kids is impossible to measure. The one concern I have is missing out on a certain type of prospect, the kid who came to OSU not because it'll get him to the league, or the system suits his style, or it's the cool choice of the day, but because he wants to be a Buckeye, because he wants to be a part of that team and that tradition. There is, believe it or not, a danger to filling the roster with 5* recruits, and that is that you have to deal with a lot of players with their own goals and agendas and who might not be putting the team first. Clearly, it is a danger most of us are willing to live with, but I consider it a danger nonetheless.
Outside of the guys listed, I can only think of Whitfield and Davonte James as potential Buckeyes. Kind of a down year in Ohio for recruiting. We'll take the cream of the crop and scUM will build their class around the scraps.
I am going with the over. My money is on Urban loading up on OL this season.
I would still go to about 8-10. although with us not knowing the final number, better to go with a percentage. I say still around 45-50%.
You left out the possibility of Kiser for QB, Michael Ferns at ILB (does have an offer), Jimmy Byrne OT. So I think it is very possible to bring in more than they previous 5-6 you mentioned.
Ferns and Byrne both seem to be solidly committed elsewhere.
Under: Jones, Lattimore, Booker, possibly Berger or a breakout star. The question is whether or not we'll have more from Georgia or Ohio. Also, to the guy in front of me in marketing class that was just lurking on this thread: sup and Go Bucks!
I have to go with over 6.
Right now I see 6 being in this class. Possibly 7 or 8. But I believe Meyer will find away to stretch this class into the 20s. I think he will bank a schollie & only take 24 in 2013. So give 2014 another schollie and now with Hall being granted RS, another schollie opens up in 2014. I wouldnt be suprised to see some more transfers or some medical hardships before the 2014 signging day.
Lattimore, Booker Jr, M Jones, Snodgrass, Berger are 5 that will most likely be in.
Then guys that arnt offered: Listed here.
Trout, Richardson, Watkins, Kizer, D James, Henderson, Whitfield, Wilkerson, West, Devers, Horton, P. Campbell. These are all potential kids being looked at with in the state. I would think most of these kids wont really be looked at until Meyer finds out how well he is doing on the OOS prospects. I read on Bucknuts boarding house the other day, that Richardson will most likely be offered after NSD 2013. Trout could very well receive an offer. Both are Midwest top OL and national prospects and both at positions of need. so if offered, I see both in this class. Watkins has also been rumored to be a guy that could very well get an offer. Campbell, from Akron SVSM had a stellar performance at the D 3 semi finals & finals in front of Meyer. Meyer has his eyes on this kid and he could very well be offered. These are the 4 guys Id see in this class is offered. so there could be 8 or 9 in this class.
As far as Byrne goes, I would think he would be locked onto to Notre Dame, but I just have this weird feeling that he could possibly end up flipping down the road. He always dreamed of being a Buckeye and I just think Meyer could steal him if he wanted. Would take alot, but Meyer can do the imagineable.
We are in on alot of National prospects, like in there top 3/ top group, but it dosnt mean we will land any/ all of them. I think we will land a handfull but being in them, dosnt mean we will land them. Meyer will keep the top in-state players coming to OSU without a doubt.
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It depends on how big of a class we can bring in next year... I see it being under however, especially if we land a good chunk of those GA boys, and you know Urban will scour the rest of the country for top talent.
So far with this class, the breakdown goes:
10 from Ohio
2 from Florida
2 from Texas
1 from Maryland
1 from New Jersey
1 from Georgia
1 from Missouri
1 from South Carolina
1 from Indiana
1 from North Carolina
1 from California
I'm going to go with over. The reason being is some of the "tier 2 Guys" in Ohio who don't have an offer will get one as we get later in the process. This is because we will miss out on some of these OOS guys who choose other schools over us. The wide blanket that Meyer casts out as far as offers allows for more misses, but also for more big gains. He also seems to recruit better as far as system goes. I felt like JT sometimes recruited guys from Ohio more because they were sure deals even though they didn't exactly meet our system needs. Meyer seems to recruit guys more lined up for system without putting to much emphasis either way of what state they hail from. That's just my 2 cents though.
I say over easily, have to remember some kids won't really break out until the summer camp circuit goes on.
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You know what, I don't much care if it's less than half the class or not if he's going to go out and get half the class from Georgia, Florida, and Texas. Those are 3 of the most recruit rich states in America and if the coach lands half or more of a class from those 3, the team will be very good. Seal up the rest of the class with the best from other states (including Ohio) and we'll have the makings of a great class.
That's what I love about this class. We have great players from Texas, New Jersey, Missouri, Georgia, Florida, Maryland, Cali, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Ohio. He's proving great recruits from everywhere are fair game.
If he ends up with less than half the class from Ohio, so be it, it means he's loading up more talented kids from somewhere else.
I think Meyer will get his choice of top OH talent, regardless. Plus you have to think all those kids have an entire senior season to raise their stock, so I would look to the over to be totally honest.
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under...4 to may be 6. It's going to be a tough call as many have said above. There's a ton of talent out there for this class from other states and Urban and Co. are going after many of the best. I'm going with no more than 20 in the 2014 class if that many. I just don't see it being more than that unless there's some more attrition. Which if you saw that roster that Alex put on here...OSU really can't afford much more of that after this years 2 or potentially 4 more guys leave in one way in order to get the remaining guys signed. Considering we've haven't heard of any guys leaving besides Verlon Reed at this point, there will have to be more told to transfer or given a medical redshirt (or in other words...gone in a year or so). I still think OSU will be fine with whomever leaves or whatever happens. They're loaded with talent and it will only get better from here.
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Over. 6 of The guys u mentioned n few more late bloomer/under exposed beast that are in state that urb n pantoni will find ala tracy sprinkle
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I don't think Snodgrass ends up here, I think the Gibson thing could repeat itself. I think we end up with 4 or 5 Ohio recruits, that's it.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Like i said earlier, i figured Campbell from Akron SVSM would get offered.
Also eric smith, safety from Glenville was offered. I think both are Buckeyes if Meyer lets them commit.
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This is very interesting because we seem to be in on a ton of OOS prospects.
I'm going to go with 7 (so I guess over) with them being Jones, Lattimore, Booker, Berger, Campell, a DB (Smith or West) and an OT (Richardson or Trout). However, there could also be a player who goes to camp and earns his over ala Lee this year (someone like Watkins or another name we don't know about yet).
With new offers going out to two more Ohio kids it will definitely be more than 6, IMO.
Tough call,but I'll say 6-8.We are recruiting A LOT of Georgia boys too.Thats the only variable that could get interesting.Not to mention ,who,he lets commit ,when??With smaller class,that may put off a few,playing the waiting game.
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I'm gonna have to go with the under. Of the 102 verbal offers for 2014, only 9 went to Ohio boys. I think this is enough data to support the "recruit the country" strategy that Urb is implementing.
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If we only take 18 recruits, it will be under. The 2014 Ohio class is top heavy in talent.
Safe to say over 6 now.
We already got 5. With guys like Snodgrass, Kief, Booker, Smith & Lattimore all with others which OSU leads for all except Snodgrass who i dont think the staff is pursuing anymore.
I also wouldnt be surprised to see a few late ohio offers go out to some ppl. Im thinking 3-5 more ohio offers. I think one will go out to an OL if we miss on national guys, & 1-2 for DL/DBs.
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Yeah my guess is we end up with 9 Ohio guys in this class with the last 4 being Booker, Kief, Lattimore, and Erick Smith. I could see another late addition as well. Like you said, an under the radar guy that we offer late in the recruiting cycle. To be completely honest I hope 9 is the max number of Ohio guys we take in this class because that will mean we snagged another good class of national prospects.
ill go over at 8
1. jones
2. Campbell Jr.
3. Trout
4. Berger
5. Lattimore
6. Kief
7. Smith
8. Booker jr.
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Got Hubbard decommiting?
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
my bad 9 with Hubbard.
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