Eleven Warriors

PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE

Football ScheduleBasketball ScheduleForumAboutContact

Physical Development Forum

Hey gents...I was waiting to see if someone was going to post something in lieu of all of the discussion we had about training on the Bosa link. I didn't want to jump on it and appear too gung ho. Anyhow, if anyone has questions or comments, or lets face it, this is a blog and some folks can't help but debate, let's do it here. I can offer advice but I am not a personal trainer. I trained over 2,000 Marines and 700 professionals in my current profession and can offer information gathered over the course of 18 years of training. So take my advice or that from any other individual under consideration and consult a physician before attempting any such routines or diets. Now that the disclaimer is out of the way, fire away.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 9 Jul 2012 - 10:39pm #

Btw, I know no one wants to visit a dentist that is missing their teeth so if you guys would like to post some pictures of either yourself or those that you have trained that might help instill confidence in your words.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Jason's picture
Jason Staff on 9 Jul 2012 - 11:31pm #

Were you a DI?

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 10 Jul 2012 - 12:10am #

Correctional Custody Unit instructor at Stone Bay. Similar to a DI except that we took E-3's and below that had one foot out of the Navy or Marine Corps and made attempts to remotivate them. The assignment was handed out in 10 or 30 day increments. Our "Awardees" were housed on site and went through the full boot camp routine all over again. They did nothing at any time unless they were instructed to do so. They spoke in third person and were required to do physical training daily. The days consisted of Working Parties, Classroom Instruction, Physical Training and daily field days. (barracks cleanup) I think the most motivating portion was the rock pile. We made big rocks into little rocks. It was rewarding in the fact that many of the men there would wish to remain in the unit if they had more personal time. They admired the sense of unity, that they should have been receiving in their units and the structure. Sadly, I think that a considerable influence in the bad conduct of some of the Marines we had in there was due to the lack of leadership and accountability inside the units. I guess I could have answered your question with a shorter version but I love to talk military as well. 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

smith5568's picture
smith5568 on 10 Jul 2012 - 2:11am #

Nice IRRICOIR. As I stated previously, I powerlifted throughout high school but I also worked as a certified personal trainer at the RPAC when I was a student at OSU. I taught classes, had one-on-ones and trained the rugby squad for a bit. I am by no means an expert, but I enjoy the subject a lot and enjoy dicussing it with others.   

sir rickithda3rd's picture
sir rickithda3rd on 10 Jul 2012 - 9:34am #

ok boys (men) I need some help... When I played bball in college I was 5'7" and 153 lbs... currently im 185 trying to get back down to 153.... Knee reconstruction ruined me... Running hurts my knees something awful but i have been running 2 miles a day... I cant run 2 miles with out stopping never could really... Im doing this 50 seconds of running 50 seconds of walking thing (really helps the joints out) I work on abs for only about 5 minutes standard dieing cockroach crunches and ab-wheel. Then finally for some toning i do 10 pull ups along with 4 sets of 40 perfect pushups... taking in about 800 calories a day with as much protein as possible tuna chic breast almonds fruits and veggies.... I need some help this weight is being very stubborn. Also Irricoir big strong f*cks like you are the reason i can only roll 2 times a week. Jits is suppose to be all about technique, theres only so much you can do when the guy one is rolling with can lift 4 of you lol.

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

Set your avi
DEEZnutz25 on 10 Jul 2012 - 9:59am #

Does anybody on here have their personal training certification?? I was thinking about making a career change and getting certified in personal traning through the National Academy of Sports Medicine.  Just wondering what the best choice would be for making such a change.

Denny's picture
Denny on 10 Jul 2012 - 10:07am #

Re: running, Rick - I took a lot of impact off my knees/joints by shortening my stride. If you try to increase your turnover and land lightly on your midfoot it may help. And stopping to walk is no big deal -- I walked something like 10x on my long run this past Sunday.

Anybody have suggestions on core and upper strength for a runner? I'm training for my first 50 mile race this fall and know that I'll need to strengthen my core a lot in order to help with being on my feet for 10+ hours, and upper body for balance. High rep/low weight is probably best, but specific exercises would be greatly appreciated. (Also, don't mean to hijack with running if running isn't welcome).

Taquitos.

smith5568's picture
smith5568 on 10 Jul 2012 - 10:47am #

Rick - Are you running outside? If so, run on grass instead of the sidewalk, this will greatly reduce the strain on your joints. Also, might want to look into using an eliptical or other cardio machine that is easier on your knees. 

The interval training you are doing is perfect for weight loss. However, if your joints are up to it, try increasing the run time by about 10 seconds every other week while decreasing the walk time by 10 seconds. Do this until you reach about a 1 min to 1.5 min of run to 20-30 sec. of walk. Do this cycle for 20 - 30 minutes if possible, but 15 or so is fine. You won't burn as many calories during the workout as say a 1 hr inclined walk, but your resting metabolic rate will be much higher so you end up burning more calories throughout the whole day then with an inclined walk. 

That being said, if your joints are bothering you that badly, perhaps walking briskly on a treadmill with it fully, or almost fully, inclined may be a better option. It will take longer and you won't burn as many total calories as a high intensity workout, but this type of cardio burns mostly fat calories because it gets your heart rate into the peak fat burning zone, which is between 60%-70%.

Additionally, by taking shorter rests between sets of resistance training (pull-ups, sit-ups, push-ups) you can increase your heart rate to burn calories. I would recommend doing a set of pull-ups immediately followed by a set of push-ups immediately followed by a set of sit-ups, then rest for 1-2 min and repeat.

All advice is given by amatuer enthusiasts and not be professionals. It is always recommended that individuals seek the advice of a certified professional and/or medical professional before undertaking any sort of exercise. The author of this post is not responsible for any injuries, illness, or accidents that may occur when performing these activities.   

sir rickithda3rd's picture
sir rickithda3rd on 10 Jul 2012 - 11:03am #

thnx guys, yes generally im running outside so the sun can help burn the calories. Im also running on a track, the grass idea seems pretty solid, I do not own a treadmill however there are many hills in the city of kings lol. The orthopaedic surgeon I work with says I have torn meniscus and says basically anything is going to hurt until I have that scoped. Unfortunately it is economically stupid to get the surgery done in this fiscal yr. Thnx again for the help guys!!!

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

Nappy's picture
Nappy Mod on 10 Jul 2012 - 11:14am #

I swim and lift 4x a week.  Alternating days.  I prefer swimming as there is less impact on the joints.  It just sucks I spent years perfecting this beer gut only to make it my sole goal in life to destroy it. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

tennbuckeye19's picture
tennbuckeye19 on 10 Jul 2012 - 11:15am #

Denny - If you're not already doing them, I would add in planks and side planks. They're good for building core strength and stability.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 10 Jul 2012 - 2:26pm #

Denny- Anybody have suggestions on core and upper strength for a runner? I'm training for my first 50 mile race this fall and know that I'll need to strengthen my core a lot in order to help with being on my feet for 10+ hours, and upper body for balance. High rep/low weight is probably best, but specific exercises would be greatly appreciated. (Also, don't mean to hijack with running if running isn't welcome).

You sound knowledgeable so I may be telling you something that you already now. If your wanting to train specifically for running then I would isolate your abdominals and more importantly your lower back. I would recommend working this area every other day or every third day depending on what your schedule looks like. There was a 5 mile run, boots and utilities that we did in the corps weekly. This was a cross country run and even in my state of fitness it was taxing. The added weight of the boots caused extreme fatigue in my lower back. I found that by strengthening my lower back it increased my comfort on those runs. Try this routine, which is basic, and see if it lessens fatigue and increases your endurance.

1. Hanging leg raises. Hang from a bar or tree limb keeping your upper body stationary and erect. Raise your legs parallel to the ground knees bent. If you are more advanced you can straighten your legs and do the same. If your physical condition is superior you might be able to bring your Straight legs even higher than parallel. A lot in this exercise depends on the the health of your back. 4 sets x max reps

2. Isolateral abdominal crunches. Use an abdominal pad and position your hip upon the pad laying sideways. Scissor your legs across and position the outside ankle under the alternate pad and the inside ankle against the remaining pad. Place your hands outside your ears and turn your upper slightly toward your hip that is pointing upward. You do a crunch focusing solely on your isolateral abdominals allowing them to lift your body upward. It isn't important to get a long range of motion. The contraction and the "squeeze" is the only thing that matters. 4 sets x max reps

3. Lower back extensions. Hanging from the same abdominal pad, position yourself with your hips pointing downward resting comfortably on the pad. Place your calves or heals underneath the leg pads to lock your body into the machine. Hang down with your fingers behind your ears. Relax there a second and then extend your body upward forming a straight line from heals to shoulders. Weights aren't exactly necessary here and you should really understand the health of your own back. If you are advanced at this and want to add some weight you can grasp a weight and place it against your chest to increase the resistance. This exercise can be painful to those that have herniated discs in their back so know yourself before attempting these exercises. 4 sets x max reps 

 Here is a picture of an abdominal pad/bench.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture
Denny on 10 Jul 2012 - 9:50pm #

[thumbs up]. Thanks, guys. I think between the planks and the back strengthening I should be well-suited to race. I hope.

Taquitos.

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 10 Jul 2012 - 10:28pm #

Glad the thread got started. I myself have been a certified personal trainer since I was 18 years old. Trained well over a 100 people including athletes and bodybuilders/fitness competitors. I studied exercise science and kinesiology in college. I don't train people anymore since I've moved to NY, got married and got hired by the FDNY. Ive done two bodybuilding shows in my 26 years and currently still train with the same intensity and style..but do not plan on competing anymore. I love all aspects of lifting, diet nutrition etc. I actually just started a training group with local firefighters..basically circuit training with kettle bells added for extra core strengthening. My dream job has alway been to be the strength and conditioning coach for The Buckeyes lol. Speaking of that I know coach Eric Litcher pretty well.

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

Jason's picture
Jason Staff on 10 Jul 2012 - 10:59pm #

I think I just witnessed a joint Irricoir/Denny lecture.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:37am #

It all started with a peace offering of kittens and teddy bears.

My experience is basically summed up by greater than 18 years of reading and instruction from professional bodybuilders. I learned a lot of things as far as conditioning in the corps. We gaged ourselves by a physical fitness test. The requirements for the pft was a 3 mile run in 18 mins to achieve a perfect score, 20 dead hang pull ups and 80 sit ups. At the age of 21 I was running my 3 miles in 17:45 (at  5'09 215 pounds no less.) doing 71 pull ups and maxed + the sit ups. After I left the corps my weight and size increased at the cost of my cardio but I didn't give it up completely. I didn't have many pictures taken of me in my prime but just to show that I know a little bit about what I am typing I will include this picture. I was in an off season mass building stage so my body fat was slightly higher than normal (about 240lbs here). If you have never attended the Circleville Pumpkin Show, you need to. It is a lot of fun and I try to increase people awareness to it so that one day my favorite town might flourish. I am at Lindsey's bakery standing in front of the worlds largest pumpkin pie.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

tennbuckeye19's picture
tennbuckeye19 on 11 Jul 2012 - 10:06am #

Irricoir- I grew up in Lancaster and my family went to the Pumpkin Show every year. I loved going to 'Round Town'.

 

sir rickithda3rd's picture
sir rickithda3rd on 11 Jul 2012 - 10:14am #

how flexible are you when you get that big?

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

flipbuckeye's picture
flipbuckeye on 11 Jul 2012 - 10:19am #

@Rick you should also look into the kind of shoes you're wearing. I did some research on pronation and found some good quality Asics that cater to my supinated running style. It instantly took a load off of my knees and shins.

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 11 Jul 2012 - 10:21am #

Irricoir, you def look like a big dude. I'm not as big as I used to be. 5'7" 240(unnatural) with 12 percent bf. 3 years off the gear and I sit at 200 around 10 % . 

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

sir rickithda3rd's picture
sir rickithda3rd on 11 Jul 2012 - 10:26am #

yea i went out and bought some asics gt 2140 i def like them better than bullshit nikes lol...

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

Denny's picture
Denny on 11 Jul 2012 - 10:34am #

@Rick - If you're working with a torn meniscus, I'd say softer (but still firm) surfaces like the track and grass would be beneficial. You want something consistent, not trails where there are roots, etc. sticking up all over the place -- but you want to lessen impact as well.

Taquitos.

BrewstersMillions's picture
BrewstersMillions on 11 Jul 2012 - 11:15am #

Man, I feel like I'm out in the deep waters here with you fellas. I took things an entirely different direction once I stopped power lifting. I played ball through HS and our OC was also our S&C guy (for lack of a better term). He actually put together a pretty solid 5 day on season\6 day off season routine that I used all through college (When I had the notion of pulling a Rudy in Columbus. I saw what 'preferred walk ons' looked like and realized things were best enjoyed from the stands). At my peak I was squatting 505, Deadlifting 525 but only benching 275. For better or worse, our plan was built pretty much around asses and thighs. I played in the interior of the defensive line so it always served me well since I had short arms anyway. After college I let myself go and only in the last 3 years have I been really back into it. These days I'm a huge fan\believer of high rep\low weight\fast pace work outs and base a lot of stuff off of MMA type work outs. I'll never step into a ring but I'd like to at least look like I can. Anyone out here into more of the tone\cardio weight workouts or are most of you dudes into the big stuff?

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Doc's picture
Doc on 11 Jul 2012 - 11:39am #

I'm definetely the boy amongst men in this thread.  I recently lost about 20lbs just getting off of my dead ass and walking on a treadmill three times a week.  I also stopped having seconds(thirds) at dinner and eating chips at night watching TV.  I'm about 5'9" and was up to 172lbs, I weighed myself last night and it said 151.  I can now mow the grass without a shirt.

Irricoir, thanks for the chuckle about the Dentist.  I am one and it is true.  You're a big dude.

Defend Youngstown's picture
Defend Youngstown on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:43pm #

I've competed in powerlifting and strongman off and on through the past couple years. Best lifts in the gym were 565 squat, 405 bench, 661 deadlift. Currently about 225 and 6'-0", those lifts were done at close to 240. Bad shoulder impingment flare up last year and changing job situation kept me out of the gym. The simple stuff done consistently over a long period of time is what produces results.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:44pm #

sir rickithda3rd - It depends on your age. When I was in my mid 20's I was pretty flexible. I have always been involved in wrestling and mma, mma more so toward my later years. Granted I was never a Jean Claude VD type but I could be put in a half nelson for a short time and not feel like I was going to break. Some bodybuilders swear by stretching and incorporate it into the first 15 minutes of their routine. The belief is that you think of your muscles as balloons. The first time you blow a balloon up it requires a lot of effort. You let the air out and it expands more easily on every attempt after that. It allows for better circulation and greater expansion with each set. Thats one of the reasons I prefer nitric oxide and creatine to other supplements on the market. They expand your cells and allow for greater absorption of oxygen and hydration. Granted this gives you a softer appearance since you are storing more water in your cells but its worth it to add mass. You can't go wrong with those two and a good protein with amino's. As I have gotten older, I admit my flexibility has diminished. I don't know if that is common, though I hear it is, but I can tell you that it runs in my family and I have had to learn to work smarter and listen to my body. I can no longer go into the gym cold and start throwing around weight. I have to have my warm up period. Oh, and something of the utmost importance, I found that once I hit 30 I was more injury prone. I gave up barbell exercises completely and switched to dumbell. I haven't felt this good in years. The only problem is that the gym I have a free membership to only run those to 100 pounds. So they get light very quickly. Good gym's like Gold's and World's and Powerhouse have them up to 150+. So if you notice a lot of shoulder, elbow or wrist issues go with dumbells over barbells, listen to your body, and form is infinitely more important than the weight you lift.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:45pm #

Defend Youngstown - Good numbers brother.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

MJT's picture
MJT on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:50pm #

What do you all think of Crossfit?  I have some friends that swear by it, and have gotten good results, and I'm thinking about joining a Crossfit gym.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence."  -Woody Hayes

buck-I.8's picture
buck-I.8 on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:52pm #

Im not a member of a crossfit gym, but ive been constructing my own workouts with a buddy who's working on his doctorate in Physical Therapy, and I've gotten great results in sort of a high impact cardio workout style

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 12:54pm #

tennbuckeye19 -

Yeah, I'd frequent Lancaster. I visited the mall out there quite often. I'd take 22 or 188 when I wanted a more scenic route. Nothing more beautiful to me than to be home in the fall, during football season and drive the hills out to your home town. You never know what you have until you've lost it.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 1:00pm #

MJT - Crossfit is very good. You may also want to look into Animalistic training as well. Outstanding cardio, healthier on your joints, and it will certainly strip any fat off of you if you are intense with it and utilize a good diet. The important thing to remember is to maintain reasonable expectations. Nothing that lasts happens over night. Consistency and dedication are going to be your greatest assets. Health is a lifestyle. You have to live it to get the results you are looking for.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 1:10pm #

Buckeyejason - Thats a lot of mass on a 5' 7" frame. I bet you looked like a version of Lee Priest. (Who happens to be one of my favorite bodybuilders of all time, Mike Matarazzo for his attitude. Shows my age huh.) I never shot for the current professional look. I've always maintained that I'd like to look like Arnold in his prime with larger quads. I don't think I will ever get there naturally. Considering I am no longer in my prime, that probably is a goal I will never achieve. Fatalistic thinking won't bring success though.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

flipbuckeye's picture
flipbuckeye on 11 Jul 2012 - 1:05pm #

What are everyone's supplements of choice?

I used to use NOXplode and Jack3d for pre-workout but the side effects turned me off of them.

As for protein, I used to swear by Syntha-6 pretty much because of the taste but recently made the switch to ON Gold Standard, which still tastes decent, has more servings per pound, and according to reviews is just overall better.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 1:08pm #

Doc - Don't feel like that boss. That's why I labeled this the Physical Dev. thread. There is a lot that I have no expertise on and there are many different routes to achieving your personal best. We all have strengths and weakness. I assure you that if I laced up and ran a race with Denny I would look like the first victim of the zombie apocalypse man.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 1:18pm #

flipbuckeye - I like Isopure Protein. Nitrix No2, Any number of your german creatines. Some good amino acids won't hurt either.

I like Jack3d but like you when I mixed that with Nitrix I could feel a rapid beating in my heart almost like their were palpitations occurring.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

ToothBuck's picture
ToothBuck on 11 Jul 2012 - 3:33pm #

Irricoir-

As a dentist and circleville-area native, I already appreciate this thread so much more.  I'd love to see this thread develope, I enjoy hearing others' different routines and workout supplements. Thanks!

Denny's picture
Denny on 11 Jul 2012 - 3:42pm #

@MJT: re: Crossfit. I've never done it (it seems a bit cult-y to me), but I have very good friends who have gotten staggering results from joining a Crossfit gym and working out there 4x a week (like losing about 45 pounds and looking really fit).

@Doc: You've lost a good amount of weight; that's awesome in and of itself. I think Irricoir nailed it on the head when it comes to feeling good or bad about results. If you're trying, you're trying. Very few of us are going to win competitions or races or whatever, so making an earnest effort is what's key. 

There is a lot that I have no expertise on and there are many different routes to achieving your personal best. We all have strengths and weakness.

A big part of getting to doing your best is objectively looking at your strengths/weaknesses and evaluating them. Being honest with yourself makes things far easier (i.e. I'm not good at lifting heavy things anymore; I was decent at it when I was 16).

Re: supplements, I just make chia fresca after runs. Beyond that I don't take much of anything.

Taquitos.

BrewstersMillions's picture
BrewstersMillions on 11 Jul 2012 - 3:57pm #

Denny,

I feel the same way about Crossfit. I know a few people who do it and they won't acknowledge any other form of excercise except their own. Heck, I have a friend who USED to do cross fit and doesnt work out at all who makes snide remarks about whatever work out I'm doing because its never as hard as crossfit ever. I really don't like falling into warring camps about anything but like most things that have options, workout people in general can be clicky but the Cross Fit crowd really takes on an elitist tone.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

tennbuckeye19's picture
tennbuckeye19 on 11 Jul 2012 - 4:27pm #

I agree with all the comments made about Crossfit. I'm not dissing them, many of my friends workout there and have gotten really good results from it. But, they are also very gung ho and elitist about the workouts versus other types of exercise and its pretty freakin annoying.

I read this many months ago, but some of you guys may be interested in reading it. I know its just one guy's opinion, but I thought it was a good read on the subject of Crossfit.

http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/cult-crossfit

Denny's picture
Denny on 11 Jul 2012 - 4:35pm #

One of my friends ventured out of Crossfit to run a half marathon with me, so that was pretty cool. I know a 5k is a workout in the Crossfit universe, but helping her push to run further than she'd ever gone was pretty cool. I don't think she's run much since the race in March though :(

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 4:46pm #

Some other good routines from a buddy of mine that prefers bodyweight only stuff.

Seal Fit- http://www.sealfit.com/

Animalistic Training- http://www.animalisticfitness.com/?page_id=19

Spartan Training- http://www.spartan-training.com/

He states that Seal fit is a real b1tch and very taxing yet rewarding. I prefer a slightly more bulky look, which is why I focus on free weights and maintain my cardio by rolling with some friends of mine doing some MMA. It helps with personal presence in certain situations and can dissuade others from actually wanting to test you. Of course, there is always that guy that wants to see how he measures up to the bigger guy.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 11 Jul 2012 - 5:15pm #

ToothBuck- Do you know Doctor Drew? He was my personal dentist. It's been a while since I've used his services in Ohio but he does good work and has a great demeanor about him. I think his business was on 188 or just outside the outskirts of town.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 12 Jul 2012 - 10:50am #

Irricoir-

I didn't quite have Lee Priests arms lol! But I can say I am a good 4 inches taller than him lol. I was into bodybuilding at a extreme level to where all I thought about was getting my 6-8 meals in a day and what I was going to train that evening. I even lived in Venice beach CA and trained at the "Mecca" Golds over there. I just feel so much healthier and happier without it consuming my entire life. Not to mention being natural and the challenge to reach your goals with out "assistance".

I think crossfit is an interesting way to challenge your body and get in great shape but I feel it's gotta be terrible on the joints and lower back..down the line at least. I did cross fit workouts for a few weeks but just wasn't for me, my uncle loves it though.

This may be a biased opinion but I think the best way to achieve a physical peak is A good ole basic weight training routine..focusing on a body part or two a day with a H.I.T cardio routine. A strict and well planned out nutrition program is also key obviously.

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 12 Jul 2012 - 1:16pm #

I agree Jason. Wish there were more questions about weight training on here as that is about the only subject I feal qualified to talk about. Heh

Lee priest by the way. (Yes he uses steroids)

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Baroclinicity's picture
Baroclinicity on 12 Jul 2012 - 1:48pm #

Here in West Virginia, there aren't any heavy lifting gyms like World's or Gold's or anything like that.  Because of that, at the YMCA, I get to see Phil Pfister (2005 WSM winner) and this guy, Allen Baria, whom I helped spot the a couple weeks back when he was benching 945lbs (it was only a half bench... there was a 4X4 being held on his chest).  No exaggeration, it was 945lbs.  I was nervous spotting one of the stacks on the side... I'm a buck-70.  Here is another video at the Y (not me in the video).

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 12 Jul 2012 - 2:53pm #

Thats a sick pic of Lee. Too bad he got sent back to Austrailia.

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 12 Jul 2012 - 2:59pm #

Hard for me to make out the tats on his forearms. Does it say, "It's not revenge...it's punishment" ?  I kind of like it.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 12 Jul 2012 - 5:53pm #

Yeah that's what it says

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

BuckNutInAnnArbor's picture
BuckNutInAnnArbor on 28 Jul 2012 - 10:33am #

I realize I'm jumping on quite late here, but seeing Denny, Brewster and Tenn's comments on crossfit stuff made me want to post up this link.

My .02 on these types of workouts is people don't realize how much recovery is needed and often struggle to maintain consistency, don't need to bash your head in everytime you workout.

http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2012/01/crossfit-endurance-tabata-sprint...

"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody."  - Mark Titus

bucndc's picture
bucndc on 28 Jul 2012 - 11:24am #

Look guys, If I started posting pictures of my shit on this site, I would probably get the banhammer for posting porn.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 28 Jul 2012 - 11:47am #

BuckNutInAnnArbor - Truth, rest and recuperation on top of proper fueling (Diet) are as important as the workout itself. You aren't getting stronger when you exercise. Your tearing your cells down and when you rest/feed they rebuild themselves stronger, leaner, faster.

Bucndc - Interesting, I guess...

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Set your avi
jrich612 on 28 Jul 2012 - 12:25pm #

Oh my God, it's a lifting forum on a buckeye sports site. If Woody shows up and starts giving me motivational quotes I will know I have gone to heaven. 

Anyways, I'm a current student and after realizing I had put on 32 pounds by the end of fall quarter of soph year, I spend most of my time in the gym. I lift 5 days a week at rpac, and if you see me I'd love to talk to some fellow 11w readers. I'm always wearing a cutoff, rockin my ipod, and drinking out of a green top shaker bottle. I'm a nutrition major too, so I can help a little with diet tips and advice. 

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 28 Jul 2012 - 11:56pm #

jrich612- Wish I was there to get to meet you man. Welcome to the forum topic. I am always interested in nutrition. My willpower is weak when confronted with Jersey Mikes number 56!

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 29 Jul 2012 - 12:00am #

So this Alabama lineman benches over 600 pounds.

Funny they took the photo before or after he completed the rep. Wonder if this is legit and I also wonder if Simon could do it. I'll say Simon looks more capable than this guy but I have seen some anomalies in body physique and strength. Looks like there is a block under his shirt too.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Buckman's picture
Buckman on 29 Jul 2012 - 12:33am #

There's defintely a block under his shirt.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.

JACK TATUM

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 29 Jul 2012 - 10:53am #

HE'S USING ALABAMA VOODOO!!! He's tattooed' John Simon's Uni number onto his forearm in chicken blood! That how he's doing it. That being said, with Simon's abundance of power he doesn't even notice...

His structure just doesn't quite look capable of lifting 600 lbs. to me. I'll give him credit until I see otherwise though. Using a block doesn't qualify in my book. I could never do 600 pounds on the bench. I got to mid 5's but i was 26/27 at by the time I could do it. I am impressed that a 22 year old has developed that kind of strength.

Is it me or does his grip look a little narrow? Most power lifters want their forearms running vertical at the bottom of their lift. 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 29 Jul 2012 - 6:01pm #

Simon maxes out in the High 400's from what I've heard. 600 is crazy strong I don't know how these college kids do it. His grip looks pretty good..not too wide or too close. I know they preach closer grips in college athletics for performance reasons. 

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

Denny's picture
Denny on 30 Jul 2012 - 10:48am #

@ Bucknut: That's a great article.

I’ve heard far too many times that so and so did crossfit and finished a marathon so it must work.  No offense and sorry to sound elitist, but if I took off 6 months and did nothing I could still finish a marathon.  It doesn’t mean my program of doing nothing worked.

Best quotes.

I'm almost cracking 40 miles per week now, which is exciting. Still need to incorporate more core training though :(

Taquitos.

Set your avi
Rapping Bum on 30 Jul 2012 - 12:59pm #

First of all, Irricoir has one of the BEST AVs ever.  Karelin was/is a freak and a scary Russian bear. 

Secondly, I was hoping that 11W would have a thread or something similar to this.  I myself need to get myself in much better physical shape, and they are somewhat excuses, but there are other things I need to take care of first.  I should quit smoking, imo, before I start on a plan and probably tighten up the diet first.  I know diet and exercise go hand-in-hand when it comes to improving overall health/well-being (stating the obvious here). 

Third, crossfit seems pretty appealing but the attitude/snobbery of the people who partake in it is off putting.  I've thought about enrolling in Brazilian jiu jitsu classes around where I live, I I wrestled in high school so I have experience when it comes to grappling but nothing at all in terms of submissions or anything of the ilk. 

Lastly, in terms of a diet has anyone tried the Paleo diet?  Seems to be pretty popular right now and I'm just curious to see if it has worked for anyone who has used it for a sustained amount of time?

Help is on the way.

Set your avi
schooey on 30 Jul 2012 - 1:09pm #

I have been trying to eat Paleo more or less and I feel pretty good so far. I lost 2% body fat but weight stayed the same, which is fine in my case. Now I just need to hit the weights. 

Also, regarding that linebacker, technique makes all the difference in the world on max lifts. Some dudes have shorter/longer arms. etc. I mean some people are better build for different types of lifts. Maybe bench-press is just his thing. I wonder what his military-press is. 

Set your avi
Rapping Bum on 30 Jul 2012 - 1:19pm #

That isn't a linebacker, that is Alabama's starting defensive tackle (pretty sure).  He is Australian.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/williams_jesse00.html

 

Help is on the way.

Set your avi
schooey on 30 Jul 2012 - 1:26pm #

Oh sorry, I heard linebacker. Australian huh? Well that explains it, less brain mass means extra energy for his muscles. 

Irricoir's picture
Irricoir on 30 Jul 2012 - 1:36pm #

Yeah, Alexander Karelin was one of the most intimidating opponents in sports, of all time. The only equal to his presence may have been Mike Tyson but considering Tyson's voice, I would say the needle points in Karelins favor. I always wanted to command the same type of respect that he did. He along with Arnold are two of the primary motivators in my life in regards to physical development and work ethic. (Honorable mention to Staff Sergeant Rossiter, hard charging devil dog.)

Diet and exercise do go hand in hand, just like you stated. For overall fitness it is very important to be well balanced in how you attack your workouts. Bodybuilders often overlook the benefits of cardio training. It is more than just fat loss, it strengthens your heart and helps to keep the body limber. Runners often neglect strength training because their goal is endurance and speed. They don't think packing on muscle size will benefit them. While I don't see a lot of massive, muscular marathon runners, a strong core increases a runners endurance and resistance to fatigue and injury. Heavy folks that want to lose weight think they only have to diet and run/walk to do so. They are afraid that if they work out that they won't lose the pounds that they want to lose. While their body weight may not drop as drastically they are only hurting themselves by neglecting the gym. It has been proven on multiple accounts that increasing muscle size and density makes your body consume more calories and fat to support the additional muscle mass. This means your body will metabolize faster and in greater amounts during periods of rest than if you neglected strength training to begin with.

I keep hearing that about the crossfit types. I haven't met too many of those fellas. Most of the guys I know are pretty cool. Most people so devoted and entrenched in their fitness are often viewed as elitists. People that don't know me often assume that I am on roids or that I am unapproachable. I actually enjoy talking with decent people, to a point at which it doesn't interfere with what I wish to accomplish in the gym that day. The thing with crossfit is that there is very little downtime and you don't really see much communication going on with these fellas. Now that doesn't discount any personal interaction you have had with some of those fellas. I am just speaking of general observations.

I have a very strong recommendation for wrestlers entering the MMA forum. Keep your head up, guard your throat and get comfortable on your back. Also, a lot of guys that are experienced in MMA are still weak at guarding against ankle picks. They are used to shooters attempting to grab behind the knee or upper calf. Pick the ankle. I have very few people that can defend that especially if you time your shots. Just like on the mat, setting them up will work equally as effective in the ring, especially with guy that are waiting to counter a strike. I could go on....love talking about this stuff.

I don't know anything about Paleo dieting but I have heard very good things about it too. If you were a wrestler then you should know about a hard work ethic and commitment. (I was around in the pre hydration testing days) I think you will do fine! Good luck sir! 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

sir rickithda3rd's picture
sir rickithda3rd on 30 Jul 2012 - 2:34pm #

ooo the wrestlers getting in2 jits lol.... the wrestlers coming over ive dealt with tend to bull everything... meaning they dont care very much about technique, hate being on their back, get caught in WAY 2 many guillotenes, and hate tapping to leg locks (i suggest going to a gym that doesnt drill leg locks for at least 2 yrs. Pros theyve grappled their entire life, great top game control, very explosive, usually have a great diet, and are unequaled when it comes to weight cutting.

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

Set your avi
Rapping Bum on 30 Jul 2012 - 2:46pm #

From what I've read and understand, a lot of gyms don't allow leglocks at all.  Furthermore, I don't get why anyone would use a leglock/heelhook on someone who is not a seasoned a grappler, or who doesn't know how to defend it.  To me, that is trying to purposefully injure someone. 

 

I will admit, that if I start training BJJ I will be really uncomfortable with the gi at first, will probably get tapped over 100 times my first day and probably vomit because I've not done any sustained physical activity for quite someone time.  Then, as you mentioned have to adjust at being on my back which would be very awkward.  Cutting weight is awful, the worst thing ever but there's a lot more science to it now - from what I've read.  I probably wouldn't compete at all, maybe just NAGA or something.  More for a hobby/exercise.

Help is on the way.

BuckNutInAnnArbor's picture
BuckNutInAnnArbor on 30 Jul 2012 - 6:04pm #

@DENNY

Have you done other ultra's or a marathon previous to this 50mi you're currently training for?  How far are you planning to get your long run's up to? - Just curious.

Along w/core, don't forget to work on your hip mobility/range of motion. Neat video for that stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GLrKr54yA0

 

"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody."  - Mark Titus

Denny's picture
Denny on 30 Jul 2012 - 6:50pm #

Four marathons and two halves; this will be my first ultra. Longest training run will be 31, highest weekly mileage will be something like 52 (not counting race week).

Taquitos.

Set your avi
Jbuckham94 on 19 Aug 2012 - 9:56am #

I know I'm like a fish out of water in this thread, but I'm trying to get a few opinions before diving in head first. Anyways, I'm going to be a freshman at OSU this year, and I only way 145 lbs at 6'1". Basically I'm just tired of being so skinny and since I live so close to the RPAC, I know it wouldnt be too much of a hassle getting to the gym a couple times a week.

To finally get to my question, I was just wondering if you guys could give me some generic workouts and tips to build muscle mass, but also retain athleticism. I've played sports my entire life, and plan to continue by participating in intramurals, so I don't really want to get into the power lifting world.

This is so long-winded, but I just wanted to add one more thing if anyone decides to give me advice. I did play high school sports 3 of 4 years where we did team workouts, so I'm not completely new to gyms and workout machines; however, I would have no idea what to do if I went into this with no outside help.

Thanks for anyone who sees this and helps, anything would be appreciated.

Class of 2016. Go Bucks!

Buckeyejason's picture
Buckeyejason on 19 Aug 2012 - 11:20am #

JBuckham94- Id be happy to help you out. Message me.

Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.

11W Tickets Powered by TiqIQ
GameTime Salsa

ADVERTISE HERE

That's Why I'm Here by Chris Spielman

Urban's Way by Buddy Martin
Support 11W by Shopping at Amazon
Eleven Warriors Dry Goods