I remember watching First Take a few years back after tOSU training days premiered and they had a discussion on how long it would take Urban to win a title at tOSU...  They had the usual two of Skip and Stephen A, and Mr. Palmer joined them at the desk to debate... Skip, loves Urban first and foremost.  He thought that Urban would win a title in 2 years (which a few plays here and there last year, who knows) and then Palmer, says it will take him 3 years, which brings us to this season... however, he did say it would depend on if Braxton returned for his Senior season... but either way, Jesse Stanford Football Palmer could be a prophet.