PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Our zone is getting picked apart... can't we go with some man up 1 high or 2 high? We certainly have the athletes to do it.
luke fickell happened to man coverage.....roby not helping the cause either
What kills me is that, as good as our offensive staff is at coaching the spread/read-option attack, our defensive staff is terrible at coaching against it.
Shouldn't you be able to scheme against the very same offense that your team runs? Are Meyer and Herman not giving Fickell and Withers tips as to where the holes in such an offense are? Did they not see how effective the fire-blitz was on Saturday night? (because they definitely didn't stick with it!!!) I'm no pro here, but to me it seems like the proof was right in their faces. Our superior athletes in the front seven COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED the Northwestern offensive line every single time they blitzed creating sacks and errant/rushed passes. When the Bucks only rushed 3 or 4, the Wildcats annihilated our zone.
Sure blitzing all night doesn't work because Fitzgerald would eventually make adjustments. But I would have much rather watched a hurried Wildcat QB with extra blockers in the backfield try to throw a screen pass while getting accosted by Bosa and Spence than continually be shredded by WRs running stop/hitch/out routes to the gaps in our secondary.
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-Urban F. Meyer
It feels like every QB we face has a career day against us...
Yep........ I've seen enough of the uber-soft zone.
Agreed we do need to press more in coverage, but I don't think we have the players to play man on every down. Grant, Brown, Powell and even Roby at times have major trouble in coverage. We lost way too many guys in coverage tonight. I say more consistent blitzing and play tighter from the beginning of the game. We were giving up too many 7-15 yard outs/curls.
Abadaras killed it. Just kidding.
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How many games has Ohio State lost since January 2, 2012?
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
It must be all of them, Brewster. Every post is about the Buckeyes terrible defense.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
...and your posts come off as 'OSU is the best team ever'
I'm sorry you don't see a problem with the secondary getting torched with no improvement.
Don't feel sorry for me Snail, life is good right now. I was aiming for "edgy homer" with my posts, so I guess I could be off the mark. I just watch the games and wear the T shirts.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO MAN COVERAGE
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO MAN COVERAGE
Mobile quarterbacks running spread option offenses. Seriously, if we played man and the corners turned their back to the offense, Kain Colter would still be running.
Weird how you word that. If thats the case isn't every SEC coach except Sumlin (but hes really just blessed by football gods with manziel) is a grade A moron, because Alabama plays pretty tight nasty coverage but I dont see a Kain Colter causing their defense a whole bunch of problems...o wait thats right alabama has a good defense, not 2 or 3 really good defensive players with a flake of a coach, and a few holier than thou idiot fans who don't really understand that the crap defense were seeing is THE COACHES FAULT, and i know some of you old crummy fools will say "o we only gave up this many points" or "the offense didn't help." Anyone can pick throught the stats and find something to aid their argument, STOP, because your doing what ESPN does essentially, your putting your own spin on it what really happened to either comfort yourself or put down someone who criticizes the defense. Last night, those throws were so easy herbsreit probably wanted to suit up for the Cats. If nothing else you shoul;d have your Buckeye Fan Card revoked if you don't think we were EXPONENTIALLY better defensively pre Urban. Don't even act like when Fickell was retained that it didn't feel like a pity party for fickell because of the horrible situation he was thrown into. What horrible situation, who was going to hold him accountable for 2011, not me, I actually am rational. Rational also is seeing receivers run ten yards, turn around and stop, catch and run for 5-10 more yards because thats how far the closest defender is, than see it happen the next play, the next play and THEN questioning the coaching. I am not quick to judge, I am a realist, we've shut down 2 teams, and one of them was a bad FCS team, what more is there to say, its just too compounding at this point for it not to be coaching. Im seeing people posting on here saying qbs are going to have a career day against the buckeyes...if that is a consistent occurrence, you need to change the conversation, AKA changing the coach
I don't understand why people like you feel the need to jump on here and personally attack other people because they have a different opinion than you do. I hope everyone down votes u into oblivion for your disrespectful aggressive behavior. Part of the commenting policy is to be respectful to other members, I don't know who u think u are but it's time for u to come down from your "holier than thou" high horse, "realist"
dude if thats an attack then you need to learn more about everything. i didn't call you an idiot, wasn't profane, i challenged your viewpoint, somewhat emphatically yes, but not personally attacking. Also, i didn't downvote you as happens on a regular basis on this site, getting downvoted for literally no violation of the commenting policy. So thanks for encouraging unwarranted downvotes for a valid opinion. Next time I'll tone it down for you pussy; there now go tell mommy i attacked you and solicit some more faceless downvotes from your bitch cronies
sounds like you just need a chill pill
just giving him something its actually ok to downvote, read my comment that he so scholarly criticized and tell me where it is so bad or off base
There were plenty of instances of you personally attacking in that post and if you can't see it then that's pathetic. You don't know anything about me and have once again made my point that you being overly aggressive and disrespectful. You deserve the down votes.
^ What Faux_maestro just said hits the nail on the head. Read Ross' defensive breakdown after the FAMU game. He flat out states the reason we don't play man vs. spread option teams is that if the corners and LBs turn their backs to chase a receiver there would be lots and lots of open field space for ball carriers to run. you can't play man vs. spread offenses. Vs. NW the Buckeyes only played man when their throwing QB was in the game because he is more a pocket passer and they knew he would be dropping back. No way they do that with Colter in there.
One other thing to keep in mind guys and girls is NW and Wisconsin have fantastic athletes at the receiver slots, too. We have great athletes back there, too, but we don't have Derrell Revis in his prime back there, either. They're going to give up plays. It happens.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.
Ok I understand why they cant play man to man vs the spread but what about tightening up the coverage and blitzing more??? Playing 10-15 yards off the receiver is just ridiculous! Thats what I have a problem with. Whenever we sent pressure and tightened up the coverage we wrecked havoc! Were not the silver bullets anymore, more like the silver statues....
Thank you, there is no defense on earth playing against any offense where playing that far off is acceptable. It doesn't really matter who says what to defend it, OSU has elite players with a mediocre defense that CAN stop the run when they assert themselves but as shown an inability/unwillingness to tighten up pass coverage. We have made literally no improvement from the horrendous Indiana game last year. Coaching, coaching, coaching...I think its time for UFM to get himself back in those defensive meetings
Roby might be playing himself out of the first round
I think people on this forum don't know what man coverage is. OSU played man on man for 75% of the snaps last night. 3rd and long, teams don't play man often. Admittedly it would be really nice to do that once in a while and mix it up, so the offense doesn't know we are going to be in a zone with no pressure.
Be critical of the team's performance, but be critical of the offense and Meyer last night IMO. NW had 1 huge play, which was great coverage and a great throw between 2 guys. I am so tired of people not giving other teams credit. NW is a good team and OSU went into their house and got a W on a night where nothing seemed to go right
Maybe man on the outside....... but besides I think my problem is more with the fact that we refuse to walk up the corners or to bring pressure.
It would help tremendously if our DBs could tackle properly. They need to use the arms God gave them.
Two blondes were driving to Disneyland. The sign said: Disneyland Left... So they started crying and headed home.
Its like they lower their shoulders and close their eyes when they go to make a tackle! I seen so many missed/whiffed tackles Saturday night!!
The defense continues to put us in a position to win and we have won 18 in a row. And I think that we have to give credit to some of the offenses that we have played - just because the national media says that they are no good, does not mean that they are no good. Also, the offense put the D into some very bad positions on Saturday - Braxton's fumble and the failed fake punt are two that come to mind. After watching the game again last night, I thought that the defense played quite well against a very formidable offense.
That being said, I do wish that our secondary would press more often. There were several instances Saturday where our front four was getting pressure on the QB in 2 to 4 seconds. The QB felt the pressure and got rid of the football and because our DBs were playing off, it resulted in a 8-10 yard gain. My question is that if the front four are able to get to the QB in 2 to 4 seconds which severely limits his ability to look down field, is it too much to ask of our DBs to press? Surely, these guys are athletic enough not to get beat down field that quickly.
That's just my opinion but Urban and Co. have forgotten more about football than I will ever know so I am not going to second guess them.
Roby was in man coverage all last week. That didn't appease anyone.
Siemian at QB=Blitz with Man Coverage
Colter at QB=Playing gap responsibilities and Zone Coverage to keep the DB's eyes in the backfield in case Colter scrambled
This was a smart gameplan. If you play man-to-man against a mobile QB too often, expect to get burned on scrambles.
I think the bigger concern should be how Pitt Brown was abused at times. He got out of position a couple of times and they burned us on it. Shazier also reverted back to some of his old ways and over ran plays and missed tackles. The D line is good and I think the front 7 has been better than expected. We've got a bye before we go into the weaker part of our B1G schedule. Everything will be fine.
I feel like a broken record repeating myself, but the point you make is exactly the one that needs to be made. I will paraphrase what I've been saying and what I think you're saying here:
With a defense that is predicated on making the other team make a mistake or be inconsistent, every mistake that we make on defense opens the door for the opponent and widens their margin of error. If we don't miss as many tackles, take proper pursuit angles, keep everything in front of us and don't have busted coverages, the defense is as effective as it has ever been. Fix our mistakes and if it still doesn't work, then you can outrage on the coaches. It's not Fickells fault that Shazier over pursues or that Roby misses tackles or that Philly Brown can't get the coverage right. If our players play the game like they have been taught (and I know someone will want to fault this - that they aren't being taught properly), the defense works.
While I think we can all get on board with the fact that the cushion seemed to be too large throughout the game, the point about the mobile QB is getting lost in this caucophony for a new defensive scheme. There were at least 4-5 scrambles by Colter that were stopped short of first down yardage by the 3rd, 4th, and 5th pursuer. He almost always made the first couple of guys miss; if we're in man coverage he turns those runs into 15-20-30 yard gainers.
Also, people seem to forget that in the Heacock days we were almost exclusively cover 2. We hardly ever played man coverage, unless it was man under. We were probably one of the top-5 surest tackling teams back then, and we're horrible at tackling now. That is the difference. We were always vulnerable against teams that could execute the dink and dunk down the field, but we were much better at preventing the dink and dunk from gaining 20 yards per dink.
Get back to basics. Break down when tackling, stop diving with your head down. Maybe modify the scheme to include a 5 yard cushion instead of 15, but the coaches are way better at this than we are.
It's not really "zone coverage," it's more-or-less the SOFT man coverage the team is playing. Guys are giving 8-10 yards of cushion off the line (especially Roby). For the life of me, I can't understand this - especially with the experienced safeties we had (i.e., before Christian Bryant went down). Even without Bryant, Barnett should be fine back there.
And as I said in a previous thread, the team is better off with Tyvis Powell playing the 2nd safety position next to Barnett.
It almost seems like a self fulfilling prophecy: We're nervous about getting beat for long gains, so we play a big cushion, cuz we know our guys can't tackle in space. Because our DB's are so far off the ball, they have more ground to make up in order to make the tackle, which they proceed to miss. A long gain ensues. So now we're more scared of the big play, so we maintain the same huge cushion or make it huger. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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