PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Yep, sounds about right to me!!!
Too young to remember Woody's final teams, did not see much from Earle's teams as my family left Ohio, I'll just skip past the 90's and I learned to live with Tresselball....easily I should say as the man won, while preserving/celebrating Buckeye traditions.
But yep, this is not our father's Ohio State under Meyer. I used to scoff at the pro passing attack The U dominated the Division I landscape through the 80's into the early 90's.
Raised an eye at the Florida attack under Spurrier in the mid to late 90's and then the dynamic offenses seen under USC, with dual threat quarterbacks gaining prominence like Vince Young at Texas.
Watched as a former Ohio State assistant under Earle Bruce incorporate a successful spread attack at Bowling Green, Utah and Florida - establishing SEC dominance while in Gainesville.
I hate what happened within the program a few years ago, but I'm glad Urban Meyer came home.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
3 yards and a cloud of dust rage from the sideline because you only gained 3 yards and it took you too long to gain them
Along these lines, does anyone have feedback from their fathers/mothers, or can we have some feedback on this topic from our older members? Is it a scandalous sea-change that needs to be nipped in the bud? Or are you just as excited as the rest of us about the killer attitude?
My father was a Woodyian and a Tresselite but I'd like to think he'd be having a blast watching this offense.
Lol - my pop thought Woody walked on water.
Now he despises (this past Saturday aside) when Urban takes the foot off the gas - "They need to throw more, downfield", "What's he doing?", etc, etc.
I'll speak to my father on Sundays usually now, as I haven't watched an Ohio State game with him since Jim Bollman was in Columbus.
My first year at Ohio State was 1978 (Woody's final year), and have been through 9-3 Bruce, can't beat TSUN Cooper, Tresselball, and now Urban.
I absolutely loved smash-mouth football, the Tim Spencer, Keith Byars, Eddie George variety with our backs regularly going for 100+ yards (Byars 300+ yards that one game was a thing of beauty).
Having said that, times have changed, and I respect Urban bringing needed change. Remember that Urban learnt from Bruce, and Woody is is hero, so I like to think that this is the evolution of 3 yards and a cloud of dust - Urban also repeatedly stresses that we are a run-first team with spread elements thrown in (not to be confused with Rich-Rod's or Kelly's or Holgerson's spread).
I also love Urban's "pedal to the metal" approach - Woody would have approved (remember the famous "Because I couldn't go for 3" quote.
So, I for one, am all in to Urban and his modernization.
I do remember that quote.....
When Coach Meyer was hired they had a interview with Earle Bruce on 610 and he was talking about the offense that OSU would be running. During his conversations with Meyer as he was getting his first head coaching jobs, he said that even though the look is different, the concept of power football is the basis for his offense and always has been. It just looks different to create positive matchups. If you look at those that were an influence on his career, it's is obvious that power running would be the cornerstone. Coach Bruce said he approves of his style of play, so that's good enough for me.
Exactly. One of my favorite Chris Brown articles (which is now available exclusively in his superb book The Essential Smart Football) details Urban Meyer's offense at the height of its powers. He says that Meyer's philosophy is essentially a modern interpretation of Woody's traditional power offense, but arithmetically optimized with a mobile quarterback running a spread offense. The upshot of the spread is that it allows playmakers the ability to get out in the open field as well.
Agree with the other comments: No Scandalous seachange. Just the evolution of the game. I do miss defense though! The lack of which has been my criticism of the majority of the SEC teams over the past few years. Winning 42-21 isn't nearly as difficult (dare I say interesting) as winning 42-0 as OSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, UoM and USC used to! While watching touchdowns and big play offense feeds the instant gratification our society is addicted to, there was a certain intellectual charm about Woody and Tress outsmarting our opponent that I enjoyed during their tenures. To my taste, certainly Woody and Tress were the masters of the chess match. While I miss the intellectual challenge watching the current offense dominant games, I certainly enjoy winning. Last season during the early struggles, I kept begging Urban (via yelling at the TV) to implement the power run. When he returned to that as the base we began executing the "speed" plays better. I will still argue that this game requires physical skill and intellect and that speed and "raw talent" alone isn't enough to win. Alas, football as a reflection of society....time will tell. 1986 Grad, born and bred on Woodyisms
I remember the late 60s and 70s with Woody in charge, and of course the Bruce, John, and Jim years. Urbz is for sure a more liberal coach, and i love it. I have followed Urbz since he became head coach at Bowling Green. I have been wanting Urbz as coach at The Ohio State University even before he became the coach at Florida.
Thanks for the link.
My only question is, how does one drive two MPG's under the speed limit?
it would take some calculus but I'm sure you would have to travel no faster than 5 MPH! of course this is assuming your car can get 42 MPG highway, 35 city.
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
I think Woody would have loved Urban's offense. Its a run based offense that has utilized the current styles of play. In fact, you can argue there is some resemblance to the old wishbone but instead of 1 fullback and 2 running backs, its 3 running backs in a diamond formation. It takes the standard handoff and adds in the pistol formation, read and react principles and even keep the passing game very simple. It even showcases good TE's who are used very frequently as fullback hybrids that can split out for a pass but more often are used as downfield blockers.
The style is different, absolutely, but the name of the game is still the same. Use the rushing attack to breakdown the opponent. In the past is was to use big huge players to out muscle the opponent. Now its using faster players to out run the opponent.
The core of this offense would make Woody proud! Tressel, well that would be a different story!
The core would make Tressel happy too, it's just all the pesky first downs and scoring it creates that would make him fussy...
I agree. A lot of people think that because we put up a ton of points that we're an "air it out" kind of team. We're actually sixth in the nation in rushing yards per game, and it doesn't matter if you're running out of the spread or the I formation you have to be tough. Woody would love it.
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I grew up with Woody in the late 60's, Earl Bruce in the late 70 & 80's, Cooper the late 80's & 90's and Tressel. All have had their moments... but Pass the Irish Whiskey and a Cigar - because Urban has brought us the goods.
So happy to be able to watch a game and know the coach and staff are doing what they can to mentally and physicall beat the other team into submission as quickly as possible.
"To have a great life simply follow this rule: Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."
Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986
My Freshman year at tOSU was 1978 (like 81alum above), Woody's last year. That was also the year Woody started a Freshman QB named Art.....
Anyway, my point is it's not just OSU where Philospohy is changing. Back in Woody's day there were NO scholarship limits. Pittsburgh's 1977 NC team had 130 scholarship athletes. The limits started in the 70's at 95 and eventually fell to the present 85 in the early 90s....thus leveling the playing field. Woddy, Bo, Ara, JoPa, Tom Osborne, Bear Bryant, Barry Switzer, and John McKay etc...divided the best of the best high school football players amongst themselves and ran roughshod over the rest of college football. Woody could run dave all day long and tell you the snap count, his line and his running backs were just better.
They also could only play two games on TV (Absurd now) so you would only see The Game and one other in the course of any one season (Which was also only 10 games long). Given those limitations you had to play for one of the top programs to ever get on TV, so Woody et al could get kids to come and play 5th string (essentially just keeping them from Sparty or ___)
Today EVERYONE is on TV, heck you're on TV if you play at Akron. So kids want to play and play early. (Remember I lead with Woody starting Art.....earlier in his coaching days Woody had said "You're bound to lose a game for every sophomore you start" - Starting a Freshman in his day, on his teams was unheard of.......
The game is faster, more athletic, and there is far more parity than there ever was.....even with the SEC run. I LOVE UFM as coach and I can hardly wait till this offense and the BUCKEYES make tTUN look like FA&M.
Woody wanted to drive every opponent in the ground, especially Michigan. OSU blowouts were common then, thus the Big two and little eight as the B1G was referred to. Whatever it took to accomplish this task would work for Woody, just as TMac stated above. He started Art as a freshman and that showed that he was willing to change. Not only the way he coached a game but getting recruits as well. He would accept Urban and the approach today knowing that they shared accomplishing the same goal.
That was one of the best articles I have ever read! Witty, hilarious and gets me stoked for the present and future with Urban Meyer as our head coach!
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog
I love the fact he'll go right for it on 4th down if we have good field position no second thoughts
And with the practice we have been getting on 4th downs the past four games, the offense is used to it. Hurry to the line, snap the ball, first down (or TD).
Woody coached in a different era, but he would have loved to see this team, this style, this coach. Woody was a student of history, and he was also adaptable. I'm sure he would have liked the "Blitzkreig" style that Urb/Herm embodies. Woody did run the option with Corny Greene as the QB in the early 70's with great success.
As mentioned above, he did uncharacteristically start a freshman in Art Schlick-ter, and Artie threw the ball often. If Artie hadn't thrown that interception in the 78 Clemson game, no punch, and perhaps Woody would've coached for another national title in 79 against So Cal instead of Earle at the controls.
Agree that OSU has always seemed to be the school of the big power back, or at least in Archie's case, the just plain damn great back. It wasn't just Ohio State that tended to be running-first teams, nearly everybody played this way for quite some time, at least until the 80's. As mentioned above, Urban's offense is predicated on the power running game - without that, the other stuff doesn't work as well. This is not basketball on grass - now that would truly be a philosophical change.........
I would say Woody, Earle and Tress may not be thought of as classic "innovators" when it came to new philosophies, but they were good at execution. The difference in my opinion between them and Urban is that he is an innovator, and not just with the x's and O's, but in all aspects of the program. For some reason I just thought of Sam Wyche - remember him at all? He was absolutely ridiculed for trying to implement the hurry up offense when he coached Cincinnati, what, 20 years ago? I guess you could say Sam was an innovator.
Yeah, I remember Wyche and loved what he did with the Bengals.
Something overlooked is the rules change of extending the arms. You couldn't do that in Woody's day.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
I thought it was a very good article and I agree with it.
I liked having JT as OSU's coach, but thought he was too nice(Too many "gentlemen's agreements"?). The "killer instinct" comment was spot on. There will be no lack of it with UFM coaching OSU, thank God.
I love having Urban as our coach! I can't think of anybody else I would rather have coaching the Buckeyes (Saban included). I've admired him since his days at Utah and often wished he would be our coach. When JT stepped down, I immediately started tooting the Meyer horn. I was ecstatic when he was announced as our coach! The killer instinct...in my opinion...is the way to go. No more Mr. Nice Guy.
“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-
I think Woody would love to see this offensive innovation. Don't think for a second he wouldn't recognize who should be blocking who on any given play in the playbook. However, Woody would've already fired the Defensive Coordinator and ran the 1st team defense to death up and down the bleachers for missed tackles. Any sign of apathy and Woody would've ripped the helmet off of their heads by the facemask. You can't get away with that anymore but I have a feeling Urban would be one who would do it if you could.
I do not recall ever being this excited about a coach at OSU. I think some people get confused by "the most important play in football is the punt" by Tressel as if Urban doesn't value the kicking game. He never had a Nugent at kicker but I do recall a year where his UF team didn't allow a single punt return for the entire year until the SEC Championship. Urban isn't unaware of controlling the clock by running the ball either. He ran the ball down Cal's throat in the 4th quarter to kill that game. It's not like Urban is going to blow a 21 point (vs a top opponent) 4th quarter lead by going 5 wide and airing the ball out. If he goes 5 wide with a 21 point lead the QB is running it up the middle. All of this Chess crap with Tressel is making me laugh. He was the most predictable coach in college football. Ill take Urban's innovation, killer instinct and constant competition approach over any of his predecessors.... minus Woody of course.lol That would be Buckeye Blasphemy.
My opinion (in order) of the coaching philosophies of the coaches that have coached during my lifetime.
And just for the record, I'd rather hang out with Cooper than Tressel. I can't hate a guy who has won us a National Championship and beat scUM that many times but I just can't see he and I agreeing on too many things.
My ranking would be the same.
Not to be confused with Meyer changing icon.
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