PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Bama is the unanimous #1 (rightfully so), with our boys clocking in at #2.
Not unanimous given that we had 3 first place votes and A&M had one. But overwhelming nonetheless.
Alabama deserves number 1. five of the top 10 is ess eee see? wow!
I feel as though I should write a paper on this because it is something I've noticed that has bothered me about the SEC.
There is no doubt that they have won the past however many championships, but that means that they have had the "best" team in the country. I put best in quotes for this exact reason. They have 5 of the top 10. Really? Last year the highly ranked Florida Gators lost to Louisville when they were so highly regarded and pretty much offended they even had to play the Big East winner. When they lost was it a "slip up"? No Louisville was a better team, but the perception was out there.
When you have 5 teams ranked so high, while some deserve that, others do not. What happens though is that if one team in the top 10 loses to another it becomes no big deal, regardless of how good they actually are. Arkansas last year started number 10, but when Alabama beat them it was a big deal because of how "good" they were.
This is why I am excited for next years selection committee where preseason polls like this will not be taken into account. I know you can argue that the BCS bases off the combination of computers and polls and not until week 6 does it even matter. When people are looking at last weeks rankings to continue to the upcoming weeks rankings then they are biased from the start.
Sorry for ranting, but just grinds my gears.
Upvote for you for having this long post in reply.
Many of the SEC teams are artificially high. They play no one out of conference and the bottom of the SEC is terrible. With so many SEC teams in the preseason top 5, it is a virtual lock that a SEC reaches the championship because of a fake SOS. They all end up with one or two losses but because they beat a bunch of top ten teams they are in the NC. The same thing would happen if you picked 5 B1G teams in the top 5. One of them would make the NC as a near mathematical certainty. Hell, the runner up might make it too, ensuring a B1G team wins the NC.
Rankings play WAY too much of a part in deciding how good or bad a team is. Nobody stops and looks at the team itself, and the players they have and the plays they have made. It's dumb because rankings are really just the perception from a small number of normal people. So we base our opinions on a team from the other opinions from someone else. Those opinions are what decides who gets in the championship game.
Exactly to both.
Rankings shouldn't come til 1st week in October. I thought it was always for the preseason hype and the the TV can say #2 vs. #5. Well, they use the AP poll before BCS is available, and AP is not part of the BCS anymore. Wondering why they just won't back off the Coach's poll. Might it be the sponsorship ... ESPN / USA Today. Hell, I think ESPN even uses AP until BCS is available, doon' they?
Agree with everything you said, not to even get started on oversigning.
Shit's gettin' real folks!
I don't think I would have voted us #1. Not yet. My favorite poll is definitely the one at the end of the season, but preliminarily, the poll looks pretty good for now.
Obviously these things are all hype and speculation, but it's fun for fans like us to debate.
Does anyone think Louisville will have a hard time climbing this year? Heard on twitter that the best team they face is current ranked 39th in terms of total points on the Coaches poll.
They don't have to climb; all they have to do is wait for others to drop.
And with that, football begins. Sunday the journey starts. WE MADE IT FOLKS.
I have a hard time believing South Carolina is a Top 7 team. 1 player can only do so much.
Each and every year SC and FSU start out in the Top 10 and then fall.
That's simply not true about South Carolina. Spurrier arrived in 2005. This is coaches poll information for his tenure. The Gamecocks were not ranked in the preseason in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. In 2010, they were unranked in the preseason, but finished 22. They rose in the rankings. In 2011, they started #12 but finished #8. They rose in the rankings. Last year, they started in #9 and finished 7th. They rose in the rankings.
You claim each and every year they start out in the top ten and then fall, yet only one time were they ranked in the top 10 in the preseason and they rose in the rankings by the end of the year. Your comment is blatantly false.
Many props given to you for that response sir!
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. However South Carolina (i think) is 22-4 in the last 2 years.. that's pretty good.
Same Top 2 through December would be Great!
Seems about right. It will be interesting to see what team outside of the top 10-15 makes a big jump like there has been in recent years. Also what team in the top 5-10 takes a significant drop.
Top Team that drops: South Carolina.
Dark Horse that Rises: Nebraska (Look at their schedule)
I read it all, but I'm really interested in the poll that comes out on January 7, 2014.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
One thing about SOS, Bama plays 2 teams currently ranked, we play 3 teams currently ranked. Similar to last year we likely won't hear that much about how surprisingly weak Alabama's schedule is given that they don't play almost any of the other top teams in the SEC, only the ones in their division.
Yup. What's worse is that Bama can come out and have an iffy game against Colorado St. and still be ranked number 1. If OSU were to play the exact same team and have an equally iffy game they would drop. All because of the stereotype about the Big Ten vs the SEC, yet the voters fail to look at the facts of the schedule.
We pretty much have to beat every OOC opponent by 50 points in order to stay ranked where we are.
See my reply above, but Alabama has to run the SEC gauntlet so they have to take a week off and Colorado St. is an extremely underrated program.
Thats part of my point. A team like Colorado St. may not even be that bad of a team, but the public perception is that they are a terrible team. I agree with your post above completely. A team that is ranked extremely low to start with, doesn't mean they are a bad team. And if a team is ranked very high to start, that doesn't mean that they are a good team. So if a team (lets just say Nebraska) got a run for their money from a "bad" team like this, everyone automatically thinks Nebraska is a bad team because look, Colorado St. almost beat them! But nobody stops to think from the other perspective that maybe Colorado St. is actually a lot better than people think, because they almost beat a good Nebraska team. The only exception is if you are an SEC powerhouse, then it doesn't matter who the heck you play, everyone still thinks you are a great team (Alabama, LSU, etc.)
I agree with your point, but I think Bama has earned that right. Now LSU or SC can run into that same scenario and are given the same latitude yet have not done anything to earn it. But then again we are talking about the university of the SEC.
Please explain what Bama has done in the 2013 season to earn that right.
The Bama team that earned that right no longer exists.
Neither does any team for that matter. Until someone knocks them off or really shows something in the 2013 season, Bama deserves to be #1. (Puked a little in my mouth there. Sorry.)
Preseason polls are pure speculation. I just wish they didn't have such an impact on the final polls.
Like hovenaut said, I love we are getting the respect. However, its time for urban and co. To prove they are worthy of this ranking (which I think they will show they are rather quickly). Lets hope we have that #1 spot come January
Here's a link to the poll for those who haven't seen it.
Edit - that was just the AP's rehash of the poll. The full poll is here.
Didn't you just love how the USAToday polls didn't give our recruiting class ANY love whatsoever? #3 ESPN, #2 on Rivals, #2 on 247, #2 USAToday , #1 Scout.
I mean was bringing up the Hyde and Roby scenarios really that important considering the first 3 teams (no disrespect) shouldn't be too much of a issue for the Buckeyes even without Roby and Hyde???
No mention of the fact we brought in essentially a Top 25 player at every position we recruited last year with 14 out of those 24 players Top 10 at their positions.
And what's worse, is that the USAToday website makes my eyes bleed. God that things hard to read - graphics moving everywhere and every story is like a pop-up flash window. Ugh.
Damn the season is getting so close. I just can't wait!
Our Honor Defend!
I'm pumping the brakes here. We have to replace 6 of the front 7. Roby may be out a few games. Also, the passing game wasn't great last year so we need consistency there and better production from the WR's. Personally, I'd put us around 5 or 6 but hey maybe that's why I'm not a voter.
So then our three 1st place votes were:
2.) Tim Beckman
3.) Gary Andersen
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
The Hoke one isn't absolutely far fetched. It all depends on his B1G love, if he votes for B1G schools and despises the $EC he may have...
South Carolina and A&M are way too high
The guy who voted A&M that high is going to look like the guy who voted M*chigan #1 last year.
I think A&M will do better than 8-5 this year.
We'll see. I just have this feeling that last years team was a once in a decade kind of team for them.
I hope so. I"m tired of hearing about their quarterback.. what's his name again?
I think USC will fall, (like they always do) UCLA will impress early then fall, Oregon State may climb, Clemson will be a top 4 team by the end of the year. Oklahoma, Oklamoma St. and Texas have me baffled.
Clemson plays Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida State, so if they win those three they are definitely a top four team in the polls. They could easily make the championship game just by winning those three games and hoping for another team or two to lose.
I'll take a Clemson vs. the Buckeyes NC game! Sadly, however it works out, I just don't see a NC game without an SEC team...
It could happen, but you're right that it is extremely unlikely. Basically it would take something like this:
1) Ohio State goes undefeated, winning the B1G, and therefore remains in the top two in the polls. There is your first non-SEC team.
2) Alabama loses to Va Tech (no chance) or Alabama loses to Texas A&M (possible) in the regular season
3) Clemson beats Georgia, South Carolina and Florida State and goes undefeated, winning the ACC.
4) Oregon and Stanford lose to teams that are not each other.
5) Texas A&M loses to somebody not great after beating Bama
If that happened, you'd likely be looking at Ohio State and Clemson both undefeated and ranked #1 and #2. It would be hard for someone below Clemson to jump them since Clemson would have beaten two SEC "name" teams and Florida State.
Certainly stranger things have happened. If those circumstances came up, I'd be a little worried. Clemson's SOS is better than ours. If, say, Florida at that ten spot had won the SEC, we're arguably in more danger of missing the champ game than Clemson. Although every network exec in the history of man would scream for that OSU-Florida champ game....
I think even if Bama got beat by A&M, they still would be in the NC if they won out the rest of their games. Heck, I'd bet even if they got beat by both Va Tech AND A&M they still would be in the NC. Remember last year? And the year before that? In my eyes, the only way Alabama is not in the NC is if they lose to one of the many cupcakes that is on their schedule later in the year. Now if they lose to LSU, and then lose to either Va Tech or A&M, then we have a different ball game.
Thankfully soon teams will have to prove it on the field and not just get a pass with their conference affixation or media love.
1. Alabama (58)
2. Ohio State (3)
6. Texas A&M (1)
7. South Carolina
11. Notre Dame
12. Florida State
14. Oklahoma State
19. Boise State
25. Oregon State
Why is TTUN ranked so low compared to S. Carolina? I recall that being a fairly close bowl game last year. Sure, TTUN lost Denard, but by the end of the year he was semi-useless, and him being gone could be a GOOD thing for UM's offense - if Gardner lives up to half the hype he's getting.
I too am annoyed by so many SEC teams being ranked so high early on every single year. The top 2-3 teams in the SEC are very very good each year, and that's where the SEC magical dominance stops, IMO. The result is a self-fulfilling prophecy in both the computers numbers in SOS, and in the voters' perceptions - e.g. #8 losing to #4 isn't that bad - close game, so #8 only drops to #9, or worse, whenver Bama loses they drop NO MORE than 2 spots. Will this really get any better with the selection committe next year?
Stanford v Wisconsin last year. Wisconsin lost 5 games and lost to the Pac 12 champion by 5.
The result is a self-fulfilling prophecy in both the computers numbers in SOS, and in the voters' perceptions
The result is a self-fulfilling prophecy in both the computers numbers in SOS, and in the voters' perceptions
You're only right on the second part. Computers take out biases by design. While it's true that if you lose to someone similarly ranked as you then you don't move much, you don't start high if you're in the SEC, so you have to do something to stay in the top 10. The only bias is in voting.
I doubt the selection committee does anything vastly different than we see now. Possibly, it will be worse if they don't use computers.
Wait, so Georgia looses all but one guy in their defense and they are still ranked #5!? How did that happen!?
S-E-C. C'mon, keep up, Steensn!
There's your clue. Now you figure it out!
Beat me to it Avail!
Let me preface this by saying I HATE UGA. Since that's out of the way, I must say that Ohio State lost almost as much on defense as Georgia did and OSU is #2. The common denominator for both teams is that they both return a loaded offense.
While it is fair to say that OSU is only returning 4 starters, they are 4 of the best players in the country, let alone the Big Ten.
We wouldn't be chasing anyone if we started out at #1. Let's chase them in the standings all season, then chase them out of the Rose Bowl in January.
These things will all work out in the long run. No reason to fret about them now, I will stick with HOVENAUT's approach, and worry about them in January.
"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai
Surprised to see TSUN so low. Thought for sure they would get the annual "Michigan Bump" from the media and start in the top ten.
"Buclkle your chinstrap, we're gonna grind meat!" - Woody Hayes
Run the table and things take care of themselves. Any other scenario (a loss) involves a lot of "what if's?" and take us out of the conversation of being far and away one of the best two teams in the country.
And yes, somebody is going to have to knock off a SEC team in the NCG to give us all a break from the rhetorical beatdown we've seen over nearly the last decade. Hate to quote Bo Ryan, but deal with it.
Also, I think ranking L'ville at #9 is essentially admitting that they have a cupcake schedule, but that their ascension to the top three is not a given. Personally, I like Stanford's spot.
I feel like this whole season is going to be a "hold on for dear life" type season. Even though our schedule isn't that bad, it is perceived to be bad by everybody. We could beat everybody by 40 and still not make it into the NC. IMO we are going to need some things to go our way (Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Michigan to win a lot of games and us beat them, SEC teams knock each other out, Pac-12 teams like Stanford need to have trouble). Once we lose that #2 ranking I think it will be hard to get it back.
Yeah its clear ESPN has an agenda with the SEC. Last year against one of the biggest down years I can remember in Big Ten. Georgian sure didn't look like an elite team vrs Nebraska and South Carolina didn't look special against Michigan.
Really with SEC last few years Alabama and LSU only teams I consider elite from SEC. LSU is going to have one of the best recruiting classes I can remember this year as well too.
We MUST demolish the SEC champion in the NCG this year......not beat, DEMOLISH! That's the fastest way to change all of this crap.
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Fug the sec. If you think about it 2 teams have won 5 of their ships. The others being lsu who lost two games that year and the other being cam newton. they have 2-3 elite teams like the big ten but people give too much credit to their middle of the pack teams and the B1Gs get the shaft
Preseason polls are worthless. Wake me up when half of the season goes by and teams begin to filter out due to the competition. I hate to be honest but I don't think we're 2nd best team in the nation. Maybe a top ten team (9th) but far from behind put behind Bama.
Insert witty remark
I could see not number 2, but what 8 teams do you see ahead of us? Alabama, Oregon, Stanford, maybe Louisville? then who?
I'm so sick of the SEC I could puke. I bet Bama loses at least one game this year and possibly more than that. Georgia has a pretty tough schedule and will have earned it if they end up on top of that conference.
“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-
You have to beat them to shut them up....
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