PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Link won't work for me. I'm guessing it's another "Urban did this or that wrong"?
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
The headline told me all I needed to know: "Urban Meyer's holier-than-thou routine is harder to justify these days"
Shouldn't of even clicked the link. Time wasted.
I know there's a game saturday, and my ass will be there.
It's Dan Wetzel, the guy who broke the Tattoo Gate story on OSU. In his defense, he is one of the few who seems to actually research stories and base them on facts, not an agenda all the time.
It was Dan Wetzel (very respected columnist, not some guy who writes an article solely for page views) so I went ahead and read it.
I found the article to be a very fair depiction of how the general college football fan perceives Urban Meyer and his programs. Wetzel admitted that it is perhaps impossible for Meyer to change this impression because really what can a coach do to stop a player from committing crimes or being where he shouldn't be, but basically indicated that Meyer has to give it a shot. Wetzel further said Meyer has done all he can do in reference to the most recent incidents and discipline, going so far as to suspend Hyde indefinitely without charges even being filed.
Honestly the best read from Black Monday was from Matt Hayes of the Sporting News.. I'll give you a moment to collect your jaw from the floor.. He compared Meyer's approach to that of Miles and Muschamp and applauded Meyer for taking the stance he did against Hyde.
I think that Wetzel's column was fairly written, but titled in a way to draw page views. People will read the title and settle themselves into a frame of mind, ignoring the actual points Wetzel makes.
Also, I was very surprised to find Matt Hayes' article to be worth reading.
I agree about Wetzel's headline. Overly controversial and honestly not indicative of what the article actually says.
You may be happy to know that editors are QUITE OFTEN responsible for titles and do indeed craft them in such a way as to garner attention for the article. I would say that it's probably not "Wetzel's" headline.
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Yeah I couldn't believe what I was hearing from Hayes. About time he said something accurate.
He's just trying to generate page views during a down time in college football news.
Ohio State = Page Views
Pretty fair article, partially defending Urban.
It's the same old diatribe that these sports writers have been spewing for years and years and now they are aiming their venom at Urban Meyer. Their whole entire premise is hypocritical. Every fan across the country who chastises coaches like Urban Meyer is being hypocritical. It's getting old and frankly it's not accomplishing anything. We only care about these kids getting arrested when it's convenient for us to do so. People in this age group get arrested all of the time but no one cares until it's an Ohio State player or a Michigan player and the arrest can be used to take a shot at your rival.
Sports fans and media are far more to blame for what happens with these kids than any coach is. We tirelessly demand a win at all costs attitude. If you don't win, you're fired. If you don't win, you're released/benched, you're a bum! We expect our coaches to recruit the absolute best football players regardless of the potential pitfalls that may come with them. Oh sure we might say every once in a while that we should avoid this kid or that kid, we pop our heads out of the sand long enough to denounce shenanigans in bars and clubs that happens to kids from other schools, but in the end we stick it right back in, all the while prodding the staff to keep bringing them in. We make these kids celebrities from the very beginning, whether its the countless interviews at camps, the televised press conference where we ask them to pick a hat, or once they get on campus when the red carpet is rolled out for them and they are treated like a-listers. Frankly it's a surprise to me that more 18-20 year olds aren't getting into to trouble with their every move being put in the spotlight.
The media is just as responsible as well. They sit behind their computers or behind a desk on television and they herald the winners while absolutely picking apart the losers. Individually they have more power than the fan because they are able to reach far more people and can incite a fan base with a scathing article about how a coach that hasn't quite lived up to expectations should be on his or her way out. Just like fans they too demand winning, and when that winning dries up they are the first ones to raise the banner for a change. And then, should something happen like what happened at Ohio State over the weekend they take out their soap box, perch themselves on top of it, and scream to the high heavens that something must be done to combat this growing problem of crime in college football. They'll tell you how this coach could of and should of done more. They'll tell you that this coach is way too lenient, that they are creating a culture of crime. They'll point out that these coaches are supposed to be mentors and father figures. The blame is diverted from the player to the coach because anybody can blame the player but these reporters want you to see how insightful they are of the bigger problem, the enabling father.
It's all just a joke to me, we demand our coaches recruit suspect players, train them to be fast and strong and aggressive as hell. We threaten your job if you don't perform. It's win now or get out. We are taking 18-20 year olds from their homes and putting them in a completely different environment and for some reason we don't expect there to be struggles (not trying to justify behavior). Afterwards we get pieces like this that tell us just how outraged we should be and it's frankly not fair.
Our honor defend we will fight to the end for Ohio..
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but did you actually read the article? There was a little hyperbole, but most of it was very fair.
I did read the article and I should clarify that my post was more in response to everything that has been happening in the media over the summer with regards to Urban. Since this was a new thread on the same topic I figured I'd put my rant here lol, instead of having it buried on an old thread with 200 comments.
I agree that Urban isn't going to change his public perception at this point but I also disagree with the people who so easily dismiss his attempts to keep his players under control. Urban has had his problems to be sure but some of it, like what happened in the four most recent cases, seems to be more just dumb luck than anything that can be attributed to Meyer.
I agree about it being dumb luck. If you take off the Scarlet colored glasses, it's easy to blame the coach. I don't think it's anything he's done as much as it the kids themselves. That said, there's an angry mob with pitchforks looking to blame someone.
I am not clicking on any articles outside of this site anymore. Defending Urban or chastising him, it is not worht my time and saying something i might regret based on pure emotion. I am sticking to this site only because of the actual correct thought processes and investigative work put into them...
That was a much better article than what I expect to come in the next few days. Once you get past the title and first few paragraphs, it is a well-written article. We pretty much deserve what we get at this point. Even if it's not Urban's fault, it's too much coincidence to ignore.
To me, the article really had very little substance. What was the point of the article? The headline doesn't match up with the body of the article. The headline makes it seem like that is Wetzel's view of Meyer, when in fact it's just a piece based on possible public views and hypotheticals of Meyer.
We've seen, will see, worse.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
Some healthy discussion here. I like it.
More douchebaggery from another no talent ass clown. Kind of like Clay Travis and Matt Hayes.
"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM
What else can Urban do to stop this crap? There is no magic wand/solution/pill. It sounds to me like Meyer and the rest of the coaches are doing their best but dammit, it's up to the players to police themselves and really, each other.
If arrests continue to happen over the next year and the mix of players getting in trouble shifts away from the Tressel holdovers and towards the 2012 and 2013 classes, then I think the answer to your question is for Meyer to change the blueprint for the players he's trying to recruit, even if it means settling for guys who aren't as highly rated on paper.
It's pretty clear that part of his problem at UF was that he chose talent over character. It won him two NC's but also got him a ton of bad press. We haven't seen enough of his 2013 and 2012 classes to determine whether the UF situation will repeat itself. Should know more in the next 12-18 months. At that point, one of two things will be clear. Either:
- Arrests will diminish as the pre-Meyer classes graduate, indicating that Meyer inherited some bad apples but was able to gain control over the behavior of the team once it was primarily comprised of his own recruits or;
- Arrests will continue, indicating that Meyer has some type of problem with either evaluating the character of the players he's recruiting or instilling discipline on the players once they become a part of his team
If it's the latter, then I think it becomes pretty clear that there is a problem with Meyer. If you want to argue that what happened at UF was a byproduct of being in the SEC environment, that's fine, so long as it doesn't happen at another major institution. But if he's into Year 3 at OSU and 5-7 kids are still getting arrested per year (that was the approximate run rate at Florida), then it may be time for you guys to start asking some critical questions about your head coach and the way he runs his program.
60% of the time it works.....every time
I disagree. If arrests continue by new kids and they continue to face the type of punishment Meyer has dealt, the trouble makers will be gone. If new kids make the same mistakes, they'll be gone too.
This won't stick so long as Urban continues to deal with these items as harshly as he has...
Urban Meyers' whole philosophy is winning on a national scale. In order to achieve this you have to continue to recruit the fringe character kids sometimes. Outside of a few individuals many of the crimes have been minor in which no one was convicted of any criminal activity. The problem with a coach passing up a kid with great skills and may be rough around the edges is the fact 120 other college coaches will jump on him and more times than not there will not be a problem out if that kid.
Furthermore I understand college players are classified as kids, but at some point the blame has to be directed towards the individual himself and not be centered around a football coach. I knew damn well when I was 18-21 the difference between right and wrong. Most of the players who were in trouble are not bad kids, but made a mistake and were never problematic again so to claim all players who had a run in with the law are rough around the edges is incorrect, as many "good" respected people do not live perfect lives. Remember for every Hernandez and Newton Urban has has along the way he has had a Tebow and John Simon who are stand up people.
Also a question of curiosity but what percent of NFL players get in legal trouble compared to college players, all while keeping a job with minimal backlash?
Nobody thought Roby or Hyde had character issues. In fact many of the media memebers thought they were among the softest spoken low key guys to interview. They both made mistakes (the extent of which is still unclear), but to say that anyone could see this coming is totally bogus.
Urban has recruited several 4.0+ students and has stopped recruiting some high level guys with character and grade questions, no one guesses right 100% of the time and kids who don't have anyone looking after them can't always deal with it. Coaches can't babysit year round because they literally can't have contact during certain periods of the year.
Also Urban's arrest record at UF wasn't even the worst in the SEC, Georgia's was worse. But no one seems to be saying that Richt is the worst person on earth.
Hello Heisman, I sense just a tad bid of sanctimoniousness in your post. If not & your sincerely concerned, my apologies. As of tonight, Carlos Hyde appears to have not punched anyone. Leaving a bar fight with Bradley Roby & Timothy Gardner's arrest as the trouble that happened this weekend. Gardner is gone, & Roby is still unfolding. Since becoming the coach at OSU, there have been 2 Meyer recruits actually arrested since he came in. Marcus Baugh & Timothy Gardner. One for underage drinking & another for undisclosed "obstruction". There was another Meyer recruit who was implicated in a criminal matter & that player is now gone. Is this a program gone awry? Other programs have dealt with DUIs & Home Invasions so I think things are not too bad in Columbus.... If there is a sudden rash of crimes that break out & UFM is not disciplining, I'll be the first to criticize him, but right now, there is no evidence to suggest that UFM is running anything other than a disciplined program so far. There are a lot of people who are enjoying jumping on UFM & piling on to what has happened with Hernandez & implicating that he is somehow to blame for that. I guess it makes people feel better. While he may have been too lenient at UF, I believe the lessons were learned & I hope that all those who stepped up, eager to blame him for Hyde punching a girl which it appears did not even happen, will step back & be slightly humbled now. Hopefully, some may even apologize.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
"It's unfair, based on current evidence, to hold Meyer responsible for the crimes Hernandez is currently accused of."
I completely agree with what he said here.
Sorry buckeyes, but you cannot ignore all of the arrests under Urban Meyer in his time at Florida, Utah, and OSU. Maybe all of you can ignore it because hes our coach but i simply cant. URBAN MEYER IS NOT TO BE BURIED AND SHOULDNT GET THE MAJORITY OF THE BURDEN. These kids are the one's doing these things not him. With that being said Urban Meyer does deserve some criticism. Now Urban cant control what a cold-blooded murderer does (Hernandez) but clearly the atmosphere is not a no-tolerance.
It has gotten way better since he has been at OSU but in his Florida days it was just horrible. And please dont say nobody brought this up when he was at UF because people did bring it up. I remember everyone talking about how Meyer ran a players were above everyone program at UF.
A clear changing of the guard was when Urban suspended star Defensive End Carlos Dunlap for the SEC championship game. or what is now known as the "Tebow Cried Game", which ultimately started the BAMA dynasty. I remember being shocked that Urban Meyer suspended Dunlap for the biggest game of the year in CFB because Urban Meyer rarely suspended his players at UF. On Sportscenter even Jessie Palmer said that it is not something Urban usually does. But, when your star DE is driving drunk at 4am a week before the biggest game of the year, you failed as a coach. Clearly the atmosphere wasnt one where these kids are becoming adults.
Having said all that, Urban Meyer is one of the best coaches in all of football, and his punishments have been stricter since he got to OSU. I just cant ignore all the arrests. Same goes with Saban at Alabama and Miles at LSU. (Miles has been the worst IMO) But please dont think Urban Meyer is a second God and perfect just because he is OUR coach.
Please dont downvote me for shring MY OPINION!
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From the story's comment thread:
Scott • 19 hours ago
Number of arrest per conference in 2013:
SEC - 19
Big 12 - 16
Pac 12 - 9
ACC - 9
C USA - 9
Big 10 - 2 - (now 4)
AAC - 1
Big Sky - 1
MAC - 1
MWC - 1
Seems like a worthless article to write. I get that he's the head coach at Ohio State which means he is in the national spotlight all the time, but so are guys like Saban, Mack Brown, Miles, Stoops, Muschamp, and Richt, and they've had a much rougher go of it over the period of time Meyer has been here when it comes to dealing with players being guilty of a crime. Before the Baugh incident, it had been almost a year since we had anything happen at all. In that time, places like LSU, Florida, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, and even Michigan have dealt with felonies and assault, and I hardly recall seeing their coaches put to the task of defending their honor to the magnitude Meyer now is.
A. You can't control 80+ 18-23 year men who play a violent sport, 24/7. Mistakes will be made.
B. Some will get away with it, in fact more so than not IMHO. Where does that fit into this discussion?
C. The only thing I can see you should judge is the response. I believe Urban has handled this as well as I would have hoped. Perhaps even harder on some kids than I would have thought...
D. Let anyone here who didn't do anything they regret during the ages of 18-23 cast a stone here... Kids make mistakes. Some are to much to let go, others are just plain dumb mistakes.. Include the differences if you really want to be taken seriously.
(off my soapbox)
Yeah its hard for me to read any article about this. I had some very good mentors in my life. I will admit in my early early twenties I have been thrown out of bars forcefully by bouncers. I have gotten in other minor trouble as well. There was no one and I mean no one who could have stopped me from being a hot head immature kid. Those where lessons I had to learn on my own.
I am now a very successful business man and everyone makes mistakes. Don't get me wrong some mistakes pass a point of no return. Hitting a woman or child, murder, robbery etc.
Things to me like Roby and Bouncer and the open container. Mean nothing to me as I still remember me in those days and 90% of the people I knew in those days where same way.
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