PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Urban put Hernandez on the path to success and Aaron took a u turn
^ This should be the auto reply to any troll who suggests Meyer is responsible for a former player who possibly murdered someone in cold blood. The only reason this stuff is still going on is it generates mouse clicks because WE let it anger us. I seriously doubt Coach Meyer gives a rat's ass about these comments. why should we?
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.
Amen brother. I'd like to add:
OJ, Ray Lewis, Aaron Hernandez and their friend walk into a bar...Their friend never makes it home.
I'll never understand why people blame coaches for a player's mishaps. Let's just pass the buck, what about his parents, circle of friends? Yes, Urban was an impactful person in his life, but you can't lay responsibility on someone other than Hernandez.
Let's say your best friend in the whole wide world, decided to go on a killing spree, are you at fault b/c you're an influence in his life? Why didn't you do anything to stop this, you should of seen signs blah blah blah.
Yes, people in your life influence your actions, but it's up to that person to listen. My parents raised me right, I have loving friends and family, I try to live my life as the best person I can be, but I've done some shitty things in life I'm ashamed of, but I blame myself for those things.
People do horrible things you can't stop that no matter how much you try. Some people are just evil. Not saying Hernandez is guilty, I still believe in innocence until proven guilty, but if guilty, the blame lies solely with him. Sorry for being preachy. /rant
Forgoing the sensationalism in the media, and Urban's connection to Hernandez...which looks f'n ridiculous (Looking at you Clay Travis).
In all seriousness, it's real shame.
One young man dead.
His family and friends devastated.
Another man's life in shambles.
Leaving his fiance and infant daughter.
For what? Over an argument?
I just don't understand this world sometimes.
I'd like to add that although I do despise the New England Patriots for obvious reasons I applaud their making a difficult, yet correct decision to release Aaron Hernandez.
It's time for professional athletes to wake up.....yet again.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
I don't blame any head college football coach for the felonious actions of a former player, much less 3 years removed from being a regular contributor to the kids life. I don't care if the player went to UF, Miami or TTUN! The overwhelming truth is that except in very very rare cases, coaches contribute very positively to the lives of college athletes despite the very limited circumstances they are given to do so.
Meyer used Hernandez on the field about as well as one could, and that is absolutely an attractive recruiting tool that should be used. Maybe he just says "tight end" from now on.
I think FANOSU99 put it perfectly.
Why do people need to make these baseless connections? Because Urban had a noteworthy connection to Hernandez? Is Belichick to be equally scrutinized?
To suggest their complicity with the crime on any level is misguided, IMO.
If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. ~ Bruce Lee
And don't forget Hernandez lived with Jesus Tebow for a time down at Florida. Should he get some of the blame as well?
I have a hard time with people placing blame on anyone in this scenario other than Hernandez himself. I've been told since the day I was born that the only person responsible for you, is YOU. This isn't on Urban Meyer, Bob Kraft, Bill Belichick, the New England Patriots, or anyone else.
Couldn't agree more. If I f@ck at work, then I am responsible. Nobody is looking for my professors or where I went to school. Hernandez may have made a bad choice, but it's on him.
This is on Hernandez & Hernandez alone. He had a life that most of us dream of & looks like he may have screwed it up royally all by himself. And a person's family is ruined & a life has been lost. No coach or other player, former or current has anything to do with it.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I blame Clay Travis. If he'd only used his pen to alert us all to the downward, murderous trajectory of Hernandez while he was writing about the Gators, Hernandez's friends could have more effectively stepped in to rescue him from himself.
If you are making millions of dollars in the NFL and you fuck up, that shit is on you. I'm 27 years old and dirt poor and I haven't murdered (allegedly) anyone. And it pisses me off because he had millions of dollars and still did something so stupid (again allegedly). If I was a millionaire I'd keep myself as far away from trouble as possible but then again I have common sense.
Preach on, Danny. This author fires not on all cylinders. Go Bucks
@osu07asu10: perhaps while in central florida, you should maybe take the low road and not wear your buckeye gear. yeah, this is a free country and one should be able to wear what they want, but sometimes it is best not to draw attention to one self. as for urban, or belichick or kraft or any of hernandez teachers and so on, being at fault for his behavior, i say that is bullshit.
Author, c'mon! Really? Is what you say enforceable, practically speaking? We need to stop pretending these grown men and professionals are to be controlled during off-hours. At some point, one cannot help a person DO the right thing. And at that point, we need not discuss that person's complicity in order to get a cheap thrill. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
THIS TRAGEDY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH URBAN. Get a life.
I think this thread exposes two sides of the same coin.
One side: no, Meyer isn't responsible for "not teaching Hernandez not to kill people". The level of f****d-in-the-headness necessary to plan a murder in a way that justifies a first degree murder charge can't be fixed by a football coach. Probably not even by a parent.
Other side: Can we please stop it with the "Meyer, like Woody before him, and like all great football coaches, is a teacher of men ... well maybe not Saban, he's really Satan" nonsense? Football coaches are paid to do one thing - win games. They only care about that one thing. They are very rarely above making ... questionable choices, if it helps them win games. The arrest record of Florida players under Meyer is well documented. It's not an accident, and it's not "boys will be boys". If you draw random samples of 85 male college students from the non-profitable-sport-athlete population, it will take you a VERY long time to randomly draw a sample with that many arrests. If you like sports, particularly football, you have to learn to live with this reality. Meyer (and just about every other successful coach) has.
Can you imaging A.H. (what fitting initials by the way) trying to get rid of FIVE DEAD HOOKERS!? He is turrible at getting rid of a body.
I'm just happy to be here
Wipes down his house and car, destroys his cell phone and home surveillance yet dumps the body a mile from his home using a rental car. Dude your a millionaire A) why do you even have a gun on you while your drunk, (Assumption) B) why are you using rental cars?
No one should blame Urban for this at all, himself and others were wary anytime he left Florida to go back to Bristol. His father died at 16 and that's when it appears he formed a strong bond with a bad group of ppl. Anyways, just another waste of talent that'll never play another down of pro football.
Of course Meyer isn't responsible for all of Hernandez's actions, or an enabler, or whatever Clay Travis wants to call him. That's ludicrous. We don't know what happened at Florida and frankly I think we give the man too much grief. Yes he had 33 kids arrested while he was at Florida but those kids had their problems I'm sure before they got to UF. And if they didn't have them before then they developed them while at UF. Can we not give Urban credit for providing those 33 kids and Hernandez with the opportunity to make something more of themselves? Yes these men are football coaches and also teachers. I disagree with those that think they are mindless robots who just want to win. At their core they all want to and love to teach. Some have different methods than others but these guys do spend countless hours trying to give these guys the tools and guidance to succeed and what do they get for those countless hours? Well yes they do get a couple million dollars a year and a celebrity status in some areas of the country, or in Urban's case the whole country, but they also get a ton of blame thrown their way for when one of these kids messes up. Aaron Hernandez is a grown man who made his bed and will have to lie in it. People like Clay Travis and others who blame anyone but Hernandez I believe have that problem of being accountable since they can't hold others to the same standard. Yes there may have been signs and maybe they could have been dealt with differently and handled better, but seriously, his opportunity was there for him and he threw it away. Hernandez owes Urban, Belicheck, Robert Craft, himself, and anyone else who has had a hand in his rise to stardom an apology for not taking advantage of the opportunity they helped present to him.
Again, I'm not placing blame on Meyer, as I stated this falls on Aaron Hernandez and Aaron Hernandez alone.
What I find interesting is that we've used his name as a recruiting tool for our TEs. I guess if I was selling anything, and using someone or something as an example...I would like to know what I'm selling isn't going to murder someone.
Hernandez' problems have been well documented from the time his dad died (HS) through his time with the patriots.
I think it reinforces that in sports (this is certainly not Meyer specific) that if you're an amazing athlete, you can be just short of a murderer and teams, coaches, and fans will look the other way
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
I do not think that anyone would stop and think, I probably should not use this name as a recruiting tool because he might murder someone one day. Most people would think that someone as lucky as Aaron Hernandez, who is a NFL star and just signed a huge contract, would have at least the tiniest shred of common sense and self-preservation to the point where he would not throw his life away by committing a senseless murder.
Hell, family members of serial killers have been fooled, people lead double lives all the time, there is no way in hell that Urban Meyer could have ever thought that this might happen. Getting in trouble while at UF and showing signs of hanging with a bad crowd are one thing, but to plan and execute a murder (allegedly) is a whole other thing entirely. To think that Urban Meyer or anyone else in his life had anything to do with or should be held even remotely accountable for his actions is the most asinine statement and belief I have ever heard/read.
As one poster above me alluded to, parents can do everything in their power to raise you in the correct way, and mine did, but sometimes things still go wrong. My parents are honest, hard-working people who afforded me every opportunity in life and did everything possible to make sure I went down the right path. My two sisters hardly ever got in trouble, I on the other hand was a hell-raiser. There was really no explanation why as they never did anything wrong, for some reason I just liked doing things I shouldn't. By the grace of God, I never got in serious trouble and now I have a family, job, house and am living a productive life, but the point is that the individual is responsible for their actions and life and there is not one thing any other person can do to change that. People can tell you not murder someone, but you can still get intoxicated and make a very, very wrong decision. That doesn't mean that those who had influence in your life are responsible, it means that individual did not take the direction and made their own decision.
Newsflash, college coaches don't babysit kids 24/7
Urban has been linked on multiple occasions.
Urban did have no control at the end of his time at UF and had the most arrests in the SEC during his tenure. I think he'd admit he lost a little bit of it. It's clear that he needs to do better
So does that mean he is partly responsible for A.H. murdering someone? That's just plain silly.
Did Tressel have control at Ohio State early in his tenure? We didn't have arrests but Robert Reynolds was still arrested for domestic battery after being out of the program. What about Clarrett? He now admits that he didn't make the best decisions even thought Tressel had tried with him.
Urban Meyer is not responsible for the actions of A.H. several years down the road.
I blame the OP for Hernandez's own personal choices and actions. Or possibly that guy he met at McDonalds that one time.
I blame Belichick.
You beat me by one minute. It's so asinine that Meyer somehow is partially responsible but Belichick isn't.
Do you guys read the MLive forum?
this, in large part, has to do with the question of "what is the role of the football coach?"...on paper it is to coach football, but there is an added bonus of being a father type figure to these players. I think that Meyer has the ability to shape the lives of these young men but should not be held accountable for the poor decisions they make. In the end, its the players responsibility for the players life. I think the coach should be there to advise and educate, but not live the lives of the players, thats up to them. Period.
Mods go ahead and delete this please. I wasn't blaming Meyer and I think that's been lost.
I do think SOME responsibility needs to be laid at the feet of FORMER and CURRENT influences in Hernandez' life, including Coach Meyer.
I do think SOME responsibility needs to be laid at the feet of FORMER and CURRENT influences in Hernandez' life, including Coach Meyer.
So the patriots (who run the tightest ship in the NFL) drafted Hernadez and people want to attack Urban for failed drug tests while at college?
Because of Urban, he stayed out of trouble for as long as he did
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