PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
•Football Schedule•Basketball Schedule•Forum•About•ContactLot's of smoke, rumors of some embarrassing news at Texas:
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Speculation from a number of people on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/19y5v0/major_news_coming_out_of_tex...
Not sure what to think, but keep an eye on some news this weekend...
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Demetrius Knox, come on down (up).
Haha, hopefully. Obviously, I'm just a regular fan and have no knowledge of the situation outside of twitter and reddit, but President Dodds and bball coach Rick Barnes have been mentioned a lot.
It'll be interesting to see what happens, no idea if it is actually NCAA "territory" (although that seems to cover just about everything).
Urban Warfare
Unless he's gonna Dorian Johnson tease us...
If anything this will just cement the swing of dominance from Texas to A&M. it had already started but it could very well lead to that perennial top Texas players commit fest at T A&M. Mack has been underachieving with that talent for a while now but Kevin Sumlin could potentially turn them into a consistent Championship front runner. I hate the SEC and cringe at the thought of them getting even stronger but I must admit A&M leaving the Big 12 may go down as one of the smartest decisions in college athletics history.
Completely agree with you that it was a brilliant move. At first, I was skeptical (thought they were basically taking the paycheck to get away from big brother Bevo's shadow and become the SEC's floormat) but as soon as they did well and repped the Lone Star state in the supposedly toughest conference (and subsequently got showered in media love) I realized how genius the whole gambit was.
As for Mizzou, totally took the payout to become the SEC floormat. EzE knows all about that, amirite?
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
What the fug?
I sense Major Appelwhite again.
Hook Up 'Horns!
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
Major was foolish. Ask any college teaching assistant how to subtly hook up in the classroom while maintaining plausible deniability.
Ah, the smoothness. Sounds like an extra credit opportunity.....
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
anyone remember Debra Lafave?
Yeah....but she was messing around with a 15 year old if I remember correctly.
That minx.....
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
One of those tweets was from Big Mike... I didn't know you could tweet from behind bars!?!
You're thinking of "Bigggggg Mike" who is dangerous.
This is "Big Mike" who is not dangerous
"I like to kick Michigan's ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum."
+1 for not being Magic Mike.
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
seems a story about coaches having sexual relationships with students is the core of the matter. A black lesbian Track coach was fired for a relationship, while white hetro Major Applewhite was not fired, for a similar offense/happening. From reading the reddit snippets, they're speculating the former track coach now has a list of University of Texas employees that have had inappropriate relations with students, and the cork is about to come out of the bottle.
Jeff Ketchum, from Orange Bloods and YahooSports, is claimed to have said Mack Brown and the status of the Texas Football Team should not be affected.
If that is in fact the case, I hope the track coach can sue for discrimination. That is a bullshit double standard. That being said I really respect the Texas football program and their fan base. Very similar to OSU.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
In my view they are pretty different situations. The track coach had a relationship with a student athlete in the program she was a head coach of whereas Applewhite had a relationship with a student trainer associated with the football team. While inappropriate he has no real direct control of her situation as a trainer. The coach however is in a position of authority over the student she was in a relationship with.
Embarrassing news for Texas? Are they joining the America 12?
all i got from the second link is that michigan fans watch judge judy
If you want a really novel legal theory, I might be able to supply one. I'll do this fast, so if I get any of the dispositive facts wrong, I beg apologies.
So the female track coach had a lesbian sexual relationship with one of her athletes, another adult lesbian, prior to 2000 and was fired in 2000.
Major Applewhite had a heterosexual relationship (sexual "contact" might be better, for a one-nighter; but no matter because as you'll see it is not dispositive) with an adult student working within the Texas athletic department. I don't know the date(s); they don't matter either.
Heterosexual contact between consenting adults is not illegal in Texas. At least not in the 21st century.
But as of 2000, homosexual sodomy was illegal in Texas. Chapter 21, Sec. 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code was the operative law, making homosexual sodomy a Class C misdemeanor. And it was very much valid law at that time. The Supreme Court's decision in Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186 (1986), had held such state laws to be constitutional.
And that was the state of the law as of 2000.
Now, in 2003, the Supreme Court (in one of the starkest and most rapid reversals of itself in Court history) found that state anti-sodomy laws were unconstitutional. The case is Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003); and for students of the modern Court it is essential reading. The 6-3 majority in Lawrence was a bit muddled in terms of all agreeing on a basis for their decision, although they obviously agreed on a result. In the minority, Scalia and Thomas wrote dissents that can best be described as "incendiary." When Justice Kennedy read parts of his majority opinion on the day that the decision was announced, his voice was quaking with emotion. Scalia's dissent (I forget if he read the entire dissent, which would have been beyond extraordinarily rare), was one of the handful of most important documents he has ever written. The decision was open warfare on the Court. Probably the most bitter decision of this young century, and I very much include Bush v. Gore in that categorization.
Bottom line; Texas may have had differing grounds to fire the lesbian track coach (illegality, at least at the time in question) as opposed to Major Applewhite (no illegality).
So what does the Eleven Warriors General Counsel's office think?
Edit. - I'm so often glad when I start off by saying that I am unsure of all the facts... I think that some of the early rumors had incorrectly reported some of the facts and dates. I now see that in this case, the alleged lesbian affair was supposedly in 2002 (that doesn't necessarily change my analysis since it is still homosexual sodomy pre-2003) but that the woman track coach was terminated just last November (?!?) Can that be correct? Termination in 2012 for a ten-year old affair? Anyway, that would be hard to explain under my theory of the case; a kind of punishment under a law that was unconstitutional.
The more obvious (and truthful) argument for Texas is that it simply cares more about football than any other sport. The different treatment wasn't because one of the rule breakers was straight and the other one gay, but because one coached football and the other coached track.
I am not a lawyer. But even if sodomy was illegal in 2000 it would not affect a lesbian track coach. Sodomy requires a penis. Unless they could prove sodomy by object, which would be next to impossible to prove in court.
So I think that the only previous time I have ever gotten close to discussing the details of "sodomy" with the Buckeyes was after one of our wins in Columbus in the mid-seventies. Thankfully it never came to that. Buckeye fans are mostly too classy.
Setting that aside, uh, no. No. It doesn't "require a ... " Oh, never mind. I wish you could just take my word on this one. There is a paucity of lesbian prosecutions and cases that would become reported decisions; there are very few gay sex cases of any kind to be reported in appellate reports, something that the Scalia dissent in Lawrence notes by suggesting that such acts are obviously performed in private, not "on a stage," and, like, there aren't a lot of search warrants that get issue in such cases. Scalia's dissent in Lawrence notes that the Texas law in question did indeed apply to "women with other women." Forgive the long quote:
Sadly, this almost requires a lot of "Why do UM fans know so much about sodemy?" jokes... but unfortunately you've been pretty nice here and I'd feel bad.
I have read about the Lawrence case, and yes, that is possible. I wonder what the legal definition of "sodomy" is. I think that it is a tough call. I do think that boning an athlete is a different thing from boning a co-worker. In my opinion a huge difference. So that may come into play. If we found out that Mack Brown and Colt McCoy had been involved in a sexual relationship, I think that Mack would have been fired. If Mack had been humping Duane Akina for trhe last decade, I don't think that firing would be an option. Although if that came out, I do think that they would find a way to fire him anyhow.
You're analysis is pretty spot on. Though I don't think it was dispositive. I can't imagine anyone at UT being fired prior to 2000 for sodomy. Remember this is Austin. I think there are probably plenty of instances of UT employees engaged in these types of relationships (which btw maybe a good defense for UT in this case). Something tells me that if the track coach really had something, UT woulda settled already. UT wouldn't face a PR nightmare and NCAA sanctions if it doesn't have to.
Am i the only person who is annoyed by reddit? The format kills me but for some reason i keep going back.
Me too, stopped reading after the first few posts.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2013/3/9/4083566/bev-kearney-texas-long...
Here's the most comprehensive attempt to understand what's going on. Seems like Kearney is threatening to out the sexual exploits of other members of both the UT athletics dept and university as well. This could end either explosively or with a whimper, though the latter seems more likely as Texas has made it clear that they're interested in settling, and Kearney's lawyer has seemed somewhat defensive about exactly how much leverage she has.
Note that Mack Brown is not mentioned in any of the reports. Whether that's a good thing or bad is up to your interpretation.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
I'm sure Mack Brown has some sort of culpability.
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Haha, this is excellent.
Urban Warfare
Hahahaha....+1....hahahahahahahahaha
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
One conspiracy theory that I will go ahead and float--if you put the Bev Kearney situation out of mind--is that UT System Regent Wallace Hall Jr. has turned up something really nasty in the athletic department that could even extend to the wider university community.
The local Austin daily has been following Hall's numerous open record requests trying to figure out why he is interested in the detailed goings-on at UT. Regents don't usually get that far down into the weeds.
Per the Austin newspaper today,
When asked about the regent's requests, the UT system chancellor defended Hall.
So the regents, including the chancellor, do not want to be "passive overseers" of what's happening at Texas. Interesting that the chancellor referenced the PSU debacle. No one is suggesting that whatever is happening at Texas could reach that level, but it is interesting nonetheless.
There is a whiff of Texas politics here, however. Today's rumors might have nothing to do with the regents' open records requests, but one very real possibility is that any sort of widespread sex scandal in the athletic dept might not just get AD Dodds fired, but UT President Bill Powers.
Gov. Rick Perry pretty much despises Powers and has been more or less trying to figure out a way to oust him for some time. The Texas system board of regents doesn't favor Powers either. The regents are all Perry appointees. A major sex scandal in the athletic dept might give them the political cover they need to seek Powers' ouster--whether the scandal relates to Bev Kearney or something else.
Texas politics. Yee haw!
I agree that balance of power has already switched to A&M, not sure how big this will become but it will be negative press at a time Texas doesn't need it. Honestly, I'm just glad someone else is getting the negative news and not us (knock on wood, knock on wood).
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
I'm not sure the balance of power has swung permanently. A&M is up now, but Texas is one of those 'too big to fail' programs. They've got some coaching/front office things that need to be cleared up, but I can't see them being down for too long.
Until then, we'll take all those TX recruits...
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I agree, Sharks. The Texas AD (DeLoss Dodds) has intimated that he is going to retire sometime between 2013 and 2015. Texas fans are pretty sure that when Dodds goes, so too will Mack and BB coach Barnes. Barring a NC run by either of them.
The new AD is going to want to bring in his own guys to rebuild the programs.
The balance of power will swing back once this happens. Texas can and will will pay handsomely to get coaches with proven track records.
A&M is new and shiny to media and recruits alike. But Texas HS recruits will start choosing Texas over A&M once coaching stability and wins return to Austin. To put it simply, Austin is *much* more fun than College Station, and UT is a better school than A&M academically.
At one time Tennessee was "too big to fail", now I constantly have to remind people that they are one of the ten greatest programs in NCAA history because everybody think they are second tier.
They have more wins than USC and more championships than Florida and LSU, but ten down years and here we are.
Texas is at a precipice. Theyve had several bad years and A&M wisely provided themselves a recruiting and press advantage by moving to the SEC. Texas better have a near championship run soon,or they are headed to Tennessee territory.
Texas has the bank and the flagship status (read: recruiting advantage) to get back on top in a hurry. Once Dodds, Mack, and Barnes are gone, Texas will be back on top. People in Texas--including the governor and business leaders--would take up arms or amend the state constitution to prevent further mediocrity if Texas has a string of three .500 seasons.
So did Tennessee. People said he same about them. They had more national championships than Texas has, a larger stadium than Texas has, and only slightly less all time wins. They had the budget and the commitment, and yet they fell.
Texas can fall. Easily. They are in a dangerous spot at the moment.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. FB ain't as big in TN as it is in TX. It just isn't. And UT-Knoxville ain't UT-Austin. Big time difference in revenue and HS talent across the state/region. Texas football is a political issue. If Texas isn't competing for at least conference championships 2-3 years after Mack is gone I will eat my shoe. Hold me to it!
Oh, I'm sure you're right Mack would be gone. The problem is any major program is just a rich rod hire away from trouble....
agree with you for sure though that football is bigger in Texas. Definitely true.
Is there any evidence that the school treated the rule breakers differently because of their different sexual orientations? Isn't it more likely that the school treated the two differently because of the different sports that they coached? I don't think it is illegal for a school to like its football coaches more than its track coaches.
As I said above I feel a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way. In one instance you have the head coach of a program having a relationship with one of her players. This creates a huge conflict of interest and headaches for the school. In the other situation you have an assistant coach who had a relationship with an athletic trainer who worked with the football team. The coaching staff would have little say in what student's are selected to be athletic trainers for the football program. Moreover, an assistant football coach would have no influence over the athletic trainers and no real benefit in having a relationship between the two. To me, while both are inappropriate, they are also very different situations.
I agree. The circumstances surrounding each incident are so different from one another that it's hardly fair to jump to the conclusion that the different treatment was the result of homosexual bigotry. Now, that's not to say that certain aggrieved parties might not want to try to make it about homosexual bigotry in order to win a court case or gain notoriety or even just to make the school suffer or whatever.
Butttt according to that article rating top college football jobs Texas is not one of the best college football jobs but THE best. I know that's irrelevant to this but I found that to be a bit ridiculous.
I think the issue might be more than just the track coach treatment vs. the football coach treatment-sounds like (from some of the innuendo) there might be other coaches who might have exhibited poor decision making skills regarding fraternization with athletes, and that it was known, and nothing was done about it, while the track coach was fired. Regardless, a coach should probably not be boinking a student trainer, student athlete, student intern, waterboy/girl, or any other student involved in some capacity with the athletic department.
I have no interest in the definition of sodomy.
But I can't help but see a lot of similarities between MSU/TTUN and Texas/Texas A&M, and their fighting over their home state recruits. The real difference is that the state of Texas is loaded with high school talent, and Michelin is not.
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/texas/post?id=12865#more
Edit: In other words, money ball in Austin