PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Which FA would you rather the Browns resign?
Phil Dawson, hands down. Best kicker in the league, dude is Mr. Automatic. Plus it seems like Cribbs has lost some burst/speed and the Browns have Benjamin anyway.
Dawson. If you can kick 50 yard field goals in November and December in the midst of the Lake Erie winds, you deserve to get paid.
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I don't want Cribbs back. He fumbles, he's not useful anywhere else than on special teams, and Benjamin is comparable. Dawson is arguably the best kicker of his era.
Dawson.....way more valuable.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
Dawson. He is by far the Browns best offensive weapon. How many special teams touchdowns did Cribbs score last year? How many field goals did Dawson hit? There is your answer. Dawson is the best kicker in the NFL.
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Sad that Dawson has been the best in the league for ~10 years now, and he's just now getting recognition. The last decade was dominated by guys like Vinatieri, just because he was in the right place at the right time(s).
We need both! Cribs to run it as close to the TD as possible, the Philly D to kick it through when the offense shoots itself in the foot!
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I just feel that Cribbs is eating up too much of a salary for what little he actually brings to the table. I always have felt that way about ST specialist guys like him with little receiving ability shouldn't be paid a whole lot. It will be interesting to see how the new ownership handles it, but I've always held close to the belief that teams in smaller markets should cut the fat more often.
Good points. He does a lot in the community I know means nothing for football, but he is a true community guy. My brother took his kids to one of his places and Cribbs showed up and said hi to parents, which seemed nice because a lot of players are invisible off the field. But I completely agree with your points.
I don't think he would just abandon Cleveland/Northeast Ohio if he moved, similar to how Lebron still does plenty for the city of Akron. I can't justify holding on to an (in my opinion) unnecessary contract for off-the-field stuff
Cribbs is from Washington DC.
I know, but having gone to KSU, and straight to Cleveland, he's made his allegiance known
In the past I wouldn't have a problem with giving some money to a ST specialist like Cribbs because they did have big impacts on games. Cribbs, especially as a return man, but also covering kicks, was great and well worth the money he wasn't getting in the past. The problem is he's obsolete at this point. We're (the NFL, society, whoever) doing everything possible to limit kickoff returns and it just negates any reason to have him around anymore. I agree that he's never going to be a significant offensive weapon. If he was going to be he would've been by now. I like Cribbs and all but there's just no point to giving him decent money to play football anymore. There was a time...
Dawson. Cribbs is a nice local story and we can appreciate what he's done, but we don't have many wins to show for it. More value in Dawson and frees up the bucks for the endless other needs.
I think fans wear their Orange and Brown goggles a bit too much when thinking about both of these players because they're both fan favorites. For how much better they are than the average kicker/returner doesn't equate to how much more they need to be paid. Dawson was spectacular last year, but look at some of the other top kickers from last year. There were some rookie kickers that had comparable years and did it for a fraction of the cost. The young kickers coming out of college are so good now, and you might not even have to spend a draft pick on one (that kid from Florida State is awesome, but he'll definitely get drafted).
Same thing with Cribbs, Travis Benjamin has shown he can be a solid returner and still be a solid 4th option at WR. Cribbs asks for much more money and doesn't help you out anywhere else except on the rare Wildcat run for 15 yards, plus he fumbles the ball quite a bit (34 fumbles in the last 8 seasons I think I heard).
Yeah, it would be great for both to stay with Cleveland, but the extra millions of dollars they will demand could be spent much better by signing some lowend free agent guys that could come and provide depth at LB, DB, OL.
Definitely Dawson.... He's money from anywhere under 60 yards.
I love Josh Cribbs, but Travis Benjamin has shown he can be sufficient as a returner.
Who cares? The Brownies are as irrelevant as TTUN!
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Pot calling the kettle black...
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-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Bengals irrelevant? After two straight playoff appearances? Yeah, sure.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
The Browns haven't won a playoff game in 15 seasons. The Bengals? 22. Getting the wild card 2 years in a row hardly removes the Bengals irrelevant tag. Cincinnati is far from being a relevant team in the NFL
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
For as young as the Bengals are, and how much cap room they have, two straight playoff appearances makes them VERY relevant. Not on the level of the Patriots or Packers or 49ers, but very much relevant, and much moreso than the Browns.
I'm not even a Bengals fan, I'm a Packers fan, and I think that the Bengals are a good team.
In my book, and I'm sure many others, you have to win something to be considered relevant. Cincinnati is one of the most inconsistent teams in the NFL, and until they can win a game of importance they will be irrelevant.
Side note: The Browns are the youngest team in the NFL I believe, younger than the Bengals. It was something like 16 of their 52 man roster were rookies
you pay the man who puts points on the board and that would be Mr. Phil Dawson
Phil Dawson all day long.
Phil. When he steps on the field it's the only time I'm confident anything good is about to happen. He could kick a 50 yard field goal in snow with a strong head wind to win the game and I'd like our chances. Now if only we could put him in a position to do that more than once every 3 years. Go browns. (They get a capital B when they crack .500)
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Dawson without a doubt.
Unfortunately neither. They're both going to want more money then they are worth. Travis Benjamin is going to step in as our returner, and we'll find another solid kicker that we won't have to pay 4 mil too to keep.
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