ABC 6 has restored or reposted the article. I didn't get a chance to read the original, so I can't spot any changes.
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largely the same, minus the terrible grammar and the picture with the names of the alleged victim and the one of the accused. yesterday's article was epic media fail.
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
I had heard that the original looked rushed, which made me wonder if ABC 6 knew of another news outlet working on the same story (i.e. they were worried about being scooped).
It's weird, because they were teasing the damn thing all day, so you'd think they would have had time to cross the Ts.
The video is different but the story is still the same. Still it is written oddly and the lady on the video has a weird voice.
Exactly. The shifting and vague pronoun references in the article muddle the story.
In somewhat related news, why does ESPN have the Steubenville case on their front page??
http://espn.go.com/high-school/story/_/id/9048338/ohio-school-rape-victi...
I noticed that, too. I think it's because they dedicated their entire Outside the Lines, with Bob "Bad News" Ley, episode to the Steubenville case today.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
ABC 6 News On Your Side. "We will never stop fighting back against crime".
Hey, I have an idea. How about you let law enforcement fight crime and you just give me the damn news!
I hate that channel and not because of this story. I've hated it for years. I'll start watching it when someone punches Tom Sussi right in the head and they put that on the air. The channel typifies sensational journalism at its worst and this story is a prime example of that.
I'm a channel 10 guy myself for news, but I will say that Carolyn Bruck is easy on the eyes when I'm getting ready for work in the morning.
I will say this: There is not a single show I watch on ABC 6 other than college football.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
As a resident of Columbus (and whose wife teaches in the city schools) I quit watching/supporting ABC6/FOX28 when a Columbus City Schools Resource Officer was charged with statutory rape.
Why did I quit watching you ask? Because that resource officer was the husband of none other than Yolanda Harris, their news anchor. Due to the fact that she was an employee, ABC6/FOX28 refused to run ANY story on an issue that was extremely salient to the community they support.
Once an organization makes it publicly known that they care more for themselves than they do their customers and their public safety...it is useless to me.
This should be a t shirt.
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"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
This makes no sense at all. It says 3 were involved, yet the story only mentions one forcing her to do anything.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Does anyone else notice the implications here? Rape or not, some of the football team members are having questionable decision making with women in a group setting. Is that the new norm?
I hope it isn't the norm. It has to be difficult for any young man to come to tOSU and immediately have celebrity status thrust upon them. My Father always told me, "the hardest thing, was to do right when no one was watching." First time making all of their own choices for these guys, away from the watchful eyes of parents. I'm not making excuses or condoning bad behavior; it's unacceptable. I'm only saying that I see how they can take that fall
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"Character is who you are when no one is watching."
TRUTH...
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever!
Where did I hear that before, oh yeah...
Rape allegations do not make this the norm. Even if it is true and two or three guys go to prison, this will not be "the norm". "The norm" implies that it is the accepted and expected behavior of the majority of these young men, which is not and will most certainly never be the case. Come on, guys, we don't even know what happened and pretty much everyone has already made a judgment. Remember the Duke rape case?
Innocent until proven guilty. If any of them committed the crime, then they deserve to be punished. However, I'd prefer to withhold judgement until the facts are known. Seen this play out on both sides quite often...
My intent wasn't rape allegations, but the situation that all parties seem to be in agreement on: sexual conduct in a group setting to different levels. IE, one player fooling around with a girl and another player coming up and getting in on it. Regardless of rape, I find that consensual behavior disturbing in its own right. I see it as a cause of concern for the players integrity and decision making. I'm now 7-10 years removed from college, I was wondering if this type of activity, which leads to some other issues, is now considered normal. Makes me think of the Viking sex cruise scandal and the clear negative connotation it had on the club. Guys were let go because of that and there wasn't a single illegal thing going on (in regards to the sex stuff they could prove anyways).
I got smacked around a little bit for saying this on the front-page article that covered this story, but my advice to these young men is to be smart and avoid situations where they could either get themselves in trouble, or be accused of doing things they shouldn't be doing. Ending up in bed with drunk members of the opposite sex whom you just met is one of those situations best avoided in general, but especially if you're a big-time college athlete with so much to lose.
In my college experience and life in general, getting in bed with a drunk member of the opposite sex is most definitely always a great idea
EDIT: Drunk member of the opposite sex, whom I've just met*
Andyvance, as a former college athlete, I could write an essay on how misguided your statement is. Maybe well intentioned but definitely misguided.
I'm not in an essay writing mood. Maybe 11w could interview former Buckeyes on the challenges of being a college athlete and having some degree of a social life.
I would love for you to take the time to enlighten me, because while I think I have a good grasp - at the theoretical level, at least - of the challenges of being a college athlete and having a social life, I'm having a hard time understanding why suggesting that these young men not end up in bed with drunken women they met at a random bar or party is "misguided." Isn't that basically what Woody was saying when he said "Nothing good happens after Midnight?"
I also want to challenge the premise of the question for a minute... Are you saying that the measure of a student-athlete's social life is getting drunk and having sex with random women? I can't imagine that's what your saying (though I know there are high-fives happening all over adolescent America right now at that suggestion), but what I'm wondering is, why the backlash over the suggestion that getting drunk and getting laid are what constitute a successful social life?
Put another way, if you were the father or coach of one of the young studs on our squad this season - Braxton Miller, John Simon or El Guapo, let's say - what advice would you give them about the party scene and the fairer sex? Be fruitful and multiply? I doubt that's what you would say to them, but for some reason my suggestion that they try to avoid being behind closed doors after dark with inebriated women they barely know is anathema to my fellow commenters...
Newsflash: unless a college student is going to church, class or a university funded event, there will most likely be alcohol involved. Many will have had a few before leaving their place. There will be coeds there too, in varying degrees of sobriety, unless you can think of a social life that doesn't involve members of the opposite sex.
Time of day doesn't matter. Day of the week doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if I don't take a sip of alcohol because I'll be surrounded by those that did.
The notion that any college student, let alone an athlete, can avoid such situations is asking for the impossible unless you are telling them to stay in their rooms and to not let anyone in. (fyi, they come to you sometimes if they're determined to meet you even if you live off campus). The only thing that slowed them down was when I had a gf; she almost functioned like a bodyguard sometimes.
I'm done with you Mr BSU's-blue-turf-camoflauges-their-football-players.
Request to 11w staff: please help enlighten the uninformed like this guy by interviewing current/former players on how they handled themselves around coeds in social settings.
So, to be clear, alcohol isn't the issue here. Going to parties isn't the issue here. There is a clear difference in A.) going to parties and drinking beer with your buddies and pretty young co-eds, and B.) getting drunk and/or getting in bed with a drunk co-ed you just met.
That's my point: putting yourself in a compromising sexual situation is a bad, bad idea, and while as red-blooded American males we are almost brainwashed into believing that getting laid by as many drunken co-eds as possible is our birthright and/or goal in life, there are clear drawbacks, not the least of which are situations like the one that precipitated this discussion in the first place.
No one, especially not me, thinks these young men should live in a bubble for four years, and suggesting that I was making that claim is a willfully ignorant portrayal of my comments.
HA!
So you are suggesting that it is wrong for college kids to hook up with someone they just met? Buy a soap box, go stand in the middle of the oval and make your voice heard. Let me know how it goes.
Apparently you missed a really important point. Men on college campuses are not all wolves and the women are not all sheep. Did you attend college? There are plenty of aggressive women out there, especially around athletes.
Paraphrasing Jim Rome: Have a take. Do not suck.
No, actually I did not say it was wrong - I'm not passing any moral judgment on "hooking up" whatsoever.
I think in your haste to discredit my line of thought as "misguided," you actually missed what I was saying: "hooking up" is a bad idea for the big-time college athlete because it puts them in a position to either do something inappropriate (i.e. force a drunk girl to do something she didn't want to do, as was alleged in this case), or to be accused of doing something inappropriate (i.e. the predatory women you referenced above later accusing a player of doing something inappropriate, such as forcing a drunk girl to do something she didn't wan to do).
The point - of my argument, at least - was never that college athletes are all predators, nor that all college women are shrinking violets. Those are notions you read into my comments where they did not exist.
I lived the very things you are pontificating about and am astounded by your ignorance.
The point you are making is not unique to college athletes, it's not even unique to college students. It applies to everyone. You go to bed with someone you best be careful.
Reread your posts dude.
by the way, is this where I'm supposed to whine about down votes?
So, it's pretty clear to me that we're not talking about the same things anymore, so let me just say this: I'm sorry for whatever happened during your collegiate experience that engendered this response to my comments, and my sincere hope is that you'll figure out a way to express yourself without the level of angst and bitterness you've projected toward me in this conversation, because I really would love to understand what it is you're trying to say, and where I've apparently gotten it so wrong.
Clearly, my comments were made as a general observation about the risks inherent in being a big star on a college campus, but you've apparently attempted to filter your own experience through my well-intended (at least so I thought) observations and saw something much, much different from what I think I intended.
Since I've clearly offended you in some way I've yet to figure out, mea culpa.
I've gotta say AV, that I understand where you are coming from, and as someone who was NOT a D1 athlete, I can't understand the throngs (being serious) of girls who will do whatever to put an athlete in a compromising situation.
That being said, as I said above jokingly, go get em' guys! I think that the problem arises when these players don't know how to accept no / say no to a girl. I can't count the number of times that roommates or myself came home with a newly found friend (slightly) intoxicated from the opposite sex.
The girl would hang out, maybe they head up to a bedroom, and when something was clearly going no where, a roommate would appear disappointed and maybe grab a beer or get some food...that was it! Or the girl comes down the steps, we ask where she lives, see if she is fine to walk home, has friends coming, or she needed a cab to get home.
All in all, I think it is semantics really. The bottom line is, whether these athletes are making the RIGHT choice to not go out, go out and drink responsibly, or go out and drink, find a girl and bring them home, when it is clearly going no where, MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE and live to try it again the next night out.
MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE GUYS!
Unrealistic, yes.
Misguided, hardly.
Im with Andy on this one. These college athletes get a paid college education and a chance to go to the NFL and get paid. I once was a college student and if I were in the same boat as these guys, I think my brain would function a little better. These guys have it so good that they don't even realize.
The thing that's mind boggling to me is that there are probably plenty of coeds who WANT to have sex with these guys. Why pick one of the ones that doesn't?
For some there's nothing more desirable than something they can't have.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
If the allegations prove true, they are sick human beings who preyed on a young girl, not just a football player wanting to get some ass.
Andy, if my parents listened to that I never would have been born.
Our honor Defend!
I'd like to see someone explain that hooking up with women you don't know is frowned upon to the football team. Actually, I'd rather see the response..
I actually agree, it puts you in a bad situation you or the other party could make bad decisions. No excuse for either side, but if no matter who is right or wrong, both sides made questionable choices that got them where they ended up.
Andy, Not to cry over spilt milk (up-votes/down-votes), but I'm not sure why you got down-voted for this..
Just because they don't agree?
Hell, I don't agree with you but I up-voted you for it.
Yes, unfortunately there are a couple of users on the site who have missed the point of the helmet stickers... They were not intended to be the same as hitting "like" on Facebook, nor to show your disagreement, but to police trolls and other malcontents. Oh well, my skin is thick, and I've got votes to spare, I guess, so it's all good.
I'll make up for it with some +1's
Muchos gracias, mi amigo.
Andy, I agree with your point. It is like one of those things that your parents tell you that you don't like to hear, and maybe you go and do it anyway, but you know at some level that they're right. It is obviously unrealistic to expect college students and athletes alike to follow your advice. I guess all you can do is be careful. No means no. Hope they don't have a b/f, aren't crazy, and wouldn't possibly try to claim rape on you or blackmail you with the threat to do such.
Class of 2010.
We shouldn't speculate that the victim put herself in a bad situation (i.e., "asked for it to happen"), but, by the same token, we shouldn't speculate that the player(s) put themselves in a bad situation. I subscribe to "innocent until proven guilty," or the presumption of innocence, as not only a legal principle, but as a good principle in general. At the very least, use facts, not conjecture.
But you fly way beyond just the presumption of innocence, and assume whether the accusation (which hasn't even been followed up with a charge yet) is true or false, these players have done wrong. And instead of stopping there, you ask whether this--an allegation and completely unverified details regarding the allegation--is a trend? Come on. I would say "that's a clown question, bro." But it's a Skip Bayless/First Take dream scenario question.
I would agree that assuming the players have done wrong is as bad as assuming that the alleged victim "asked for it." That said, the circumstances as we know them indicate that the players put themselves in a sub-optimal position as it relates to keeping themselves away from even the appearance of impropriety.
And you're especially right that one incident does not a trend make.
"...as we know it..." is the key there. Which is to say, we don't really know. We have one person's account, and to our knowledge so far, that hasn't been corroborated or accepted as factual. The accusation could be true or false. Likewise the details of the event could be correct, or they could misrepresented, misconstrued, and/or exaggerated. We don't know. There is no reason to draw conclusions, in particular that we know the players "put themselves in a sub-optimal position." That is akin to saying the players "asked for it." I say that because we do not truly know the circumstances, only one person's account. They may have, but we don't know if they did--and that's my point.
I wholeheartedly agree with the principle of what you said, AV (my post wasn't geared towards yours, and you give good advice), but I agree with it generally, in a general application. I don't think it can be applied specifically as that burden of proof, from what has been released to the public, has not been met.
I should also add, I felt compelled to make this response because some of the names were released by ABC6 in an unfortunate faux pas. (Otherwise I might be splitting hairs here.)
We're definitely on the same page - my advice was meant in a general application since we don't know what really happened in this case.
Both put themselves in a bad situation, whoever is right is got the worse end of the deal. Nothing good was to come of what transpired, and someone here got screwed (rape or rape allegations).
The Steubenville case is national news now- alleged coverups by SPD (some of whom are former players), case may have been swept under the rug but for the proliferation of info by Anonymous, particularly egregious acts (age of vic and alleged perps, the OSU kid who was tweeting about it, etc).
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That steubenville case is craazzzy.
Today I heard pittmans side of the story from someone close to his family. Supposedly the accuser was his 'booty call' bec he has been involved with womans bball player ameryst alston since there days at mckinley together. Supposedly the girl told sevon if he did not leave ameryst for her she would make these accusations. He chose to keep his hs gf and than this breaks. Take this for what it is. A story from some one trying to stand up for sevon. I'm very in tune with everything mckinley related and this is the story I'm hearing. Again coming from people who got sevons back. Who knows what the truth it but this is a place for speculation and rumors and just passing on what I was told. I asked this person bec I knew of their relationship with sevon and his family
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Anyone find out all the names? Pittman, Dodson, and who? Please don't tell me Spence
This came from the Buckeye Grove on Rivals but was posted by someone on the Rivals free board. I can not vouch for its accuracy so take it with a grain, though the person who originally posted was noted to be of high esteem on that board and connected. Everything that follows is from Rivals:
"On Nov. 10, Pittman was accused of rape by a female OSU student for an incident she said occurred on campus around 1 a.m. on Oct. 21.
Also mentioned in the police report are current Buckeyes Kyle Dodson and Michael Thomas. After reading the report several times, it's clear to us Thomas did nothing wrong.
As for Dodson, he is allegedly guilty of lying to police. The report clearly states the OSU police department does not believe Dodson's recollection of the evening given to one of its officers.
The young woman says she was romantically interested in Dodson and went back to the dorm room with him that he shared with Pittman around midnight on Oct. 20. While they were "messing around" according to the girl, Pittman appeared, hopped in the bed with them and began touching the woman.
According to the woman's statement to police, she then went to the bathroom to remove herself from the situation and was followed by Pittman, who forced her to perform oral sex.
When the woman returned to Dodson/Pittman's room, Thomas was there. Since he had a second bed in his room that wasn't being used, he offered it to her. It appears as though that was Thomas' only involvement.
On Feb. 22, Dodson was interviewed by OSU police. The offensive lineman admitted the woman accompanied him to his dorm room on the night/morning in question and they began messing around. But Dodson claimed he removed himself from the situation because he had a girlfriend back home and couldn't go through with it."
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=1144&fid=2150&style=2&tid=186035226&Page=2
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
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Hmm... wonder how they got this info?
To me, it's all speculation until official word comes down.
I'm very impressed with Michael Thomas' actions.
scout board is throwing around Michael Thomas' name as the third
Too bad that Noahs name came into this if he was free and clear of involvement. I am not even going to mention his last name out of respect to the kid. I am not talking only here on 11W but in tweets and various ways as it only takes one mention. He always seemed like a great kid from a great family that was unfairly brought into this via assumptions. Not that good kids from good families do not find trouble, they do, it just sucks when and if an innocent is brought into it through others speculation. IF this account is accurate that Buckeyeneer lists from another board, it appears the team has done its investigation and came to its conclusion.
I agree. I was getting pretty heated when people were bringing his name up. I tried to step in and defend the kid bc there was no evidence whatsoever of him being involved but the sad thing is, it only takes one person to bring his name up and next thing you know ppl look at him differently. I really believe he's a GREAT kid so that's why it bothered me so much
If Pittman was at fault then that's not a problem for Ohio State, but I wonder would sanctions come against his new team?
If that story is accurate it would appear Thomas just walked in after a terrible thing took place, and Dodson used poor judgment in how he handled having a young lady in his room.
Again, if the allegations are true, Pittman deserves a severe punishment, Thomas shouldn't get in trouble for walking in after something like that happened, and lastly Dodson shouldn't be implicated legally, but I'll bet you one thing, Meyer and company will make sure he doesn't screw up like that again.
Just a life long Buckeye fan wanting to talk to other lifelong Buckeye fans. Our honor defend, we will fight to the end for OOO HIIII OOOOOO!
They don't sanction teams usually for individual criminal behavior. That would be like them sanctioning the team for Henton, Klein, Boone, etc (and the list goes on). The only way that the university/team would be sanctioned would be if it was found out either the university or athletic program allowed/encouraged/turned the other way on the behavior, enabling it to happen.
And even then the University would likely not be sanctioned. (cough) Notre Dame (cough).
A lot of assumptions are being made in this story and not all the facts are quite clear yet. Best leave this to the professionals till the details are discovered.
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
I'm going to take a shot at shorting the last 20 posts.
#1 18-20 year old guys are motivated by sex and nearly all actions are are a byproduct of this motivation.
#2 people do stupid things
#3 some people (and a higher % when in college) take drugs
#3a this tends to make people that do stupid things do them more frequently and with more severity.
#4 none of this excuses rape and no means no.
How'd I do?
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
Pretty solid. If repeat #2 again as # 5 for emphasis ;)
IMHO^edit
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Simple rule of thumb I tried to teach my son and step sons ..... Think with the head on your shoulders not the one in your pants
The sentiment is right on. +1
Please don't teach your sons the "rule of thumb."
i don't think their future girlfriends and spouses would appreciate being beaten by a stick that is no thicker then the thumb.
For my next pointless story I will tell the origins of "ring around the Rosies." Jk
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
Boondock Saints reference?
Air five. +1
and happy St. Patrick's to everyone.
Jigs dinner
Dropkick Murphy's
and of course drinking.
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
A rule of thumb is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation.....Google it
I think you missed the jk at the end of the post. It was a boondock saints reference because of St. Patrick's day. One guy caught it already.
GOOGLE IT.....again jk or just kidding
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".