PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
what happens...next year...should OSU-ND-and SEC champ all go undefeated...Who gets short straw?
hopefully ND :) I want tOSU to have a shot at the SEC
I would say us due to our schedule, but hopefully after this year the pollsters would all have us above ND. About a 1% chance this scenario plays out anyways though.
I would say ND. With us going undefeated this year, and if we did next year as well I think we get in. Not gonna keep a team on a 24 or whatever win streak out of the NC.
Depends on which SEC team it is. I doubt Bama, LSU, A&M, and maybe Georgia get left out if they're undefeated.
I wouldn't be shocked if tOSU got left out. The SEC, and ND have more network support.
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Notre Dame got their shot. If Ohio State is 25-0 after the B1G title game, after being kept out last year and how Notre Dame got their asses beat, I don't see anyway Ohio State doesn't get in.
Given the schedules, I think OSU would be left out.
Isn't Notre Dame losing quite a bit on defense?
ND would most likely get left out given that they don't have a conference championship game and will only play 12 games. Well, we'd have to of course hope whoever we get matched up with in the B1G championship is at least a top 10-15ish team to impress pollsters more.. But then again, if we start preseason #2 and win convincingly every game, it'll be hard to jump us regardless.
That's my thought. If this team goes unbeaten next year and is riding a 25 game win streak, B1G coach's pollsters are going to give them a top 2 vote over ND and the Harris Poll voters will take notice. I can't even figure out how the computers project their numbers, so who knows where they would end up there, but if they are top 2 with the SEC champ in the Human component I don't think the computer portion will make much of a difference.
The human polls put Bama in over Ok State in 2011, despite the computers loving Ok State.
I think Notre Dame gets left out. Remember ESPN is the driving force behind everything and believe me as much as we think they hate Ohio State I truly believe they would love to see an Urban Meyer led team facing off against the SEC.
Sorry to say it, but if ND goes undefeated with that schedule they deserve to be there, regardless of 2012. tOSU will be the better team and will most likely play in the NC game, but the strength of schedule is no competition. I will probably get downvotes for not including myself in blind homerism and onesidedness, but this is my opinion on the question asked.
ND 2013 has this on thier schedule.
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the reason our buckeyes get in? ohio state WILL be ranked higher thorughout the season, which, for some reason preseason rankings hold water after week 4 or 5. I wont be complaining lol. But ND will NOT go undefeated. so this is a non-issue. we take care of our business, we will be in a position to succeed at the highest level.
Agree that ND will not go undefeated, but if they do, they will pass us in the rankings by game 8 at the latest.
I'm not too worried this will happen. I feel like every year there is the 7 game in uh oh 3 undefeated teams who gets left out, and it ends up sorting itself out. I really don't see ND going undefeated though again to be honest.
I don't see Tsun losing to Notre dame, not in the big house.
I do. ND's weakness will be defense, and UM just dosn't have the offensive firepower to compete. The Denard gimmick is over, the only receiver that may be more than middling is the TE Funchess, and Gardner crumbles under pressure, as we've seen. Unless Derrick Green is ready to dominate college ball after a few weeks of NCAA competition, I don't see the offense being any better than last year.
ND's offense will be better than UM's D.
It's tough to win in ann arbor, besides I wouldn't be surprised after having an entire offseason to prepare as michigan's qb if he ends up improving. Toussaint and Derrick Green give them a more than formidable one-two punch on the ground, plus they have a pretty good d. Clearly you think more of the Irish than I do.
Or I just think less of UM. The ND run defense should be more stout than this year, and I don't think Toussaint is very good, nor is Green a "ready from day 1" guy.
I could definitely see UM winning, but if I were a betting man, I'd take ND.
Gardner "crumbles under pressure." Do tell.
@OSU in 25 degrees with the OSU crazies going nuts the whole game? He threw a bad pick and threw a ball away he should've ran, but I don't see that anywhere close to crumbling under pressure---especially when there is no run threat.
Or against SCar in the bowl game? Again, another bad pick early in the game, but he led the charge back to take the lead.
And the second night game at the Big House against ND...I'm taking Michigan.
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Ok, the language was a bit sensational, but you just summed it up: Big mistakes in big games. Until he shows otherwise, I have no reason to believe that Borges, the guy that deemed Russel Bellomy game ready against NU, is competent enough to develop Gardner into more than a middling QB under pressure.
Are you forgetting that gardner was listed at WR this season? I honestly think he could have a damn good year.
Considering what he was up against I thought that he performed quite well, he actually impressed me quite a bit in the game against sc.
He turned the ball over every game, multiple times, gets happy feet, and converts on jump balls deep. He has promise, but he also has shown to make very bad decisions... Will he get better? More than likely. But to assume that he was without major mistakes along the way is sticking your head in the sand...
While I don't disagree with your breakdown of Gardner, it's important to remember that it was his first year starting. I think he flashed a ton of potential, and quite frankly, I think he's going to be a pretty good signal caller. That being said, a lot of people could describe Chad Henne as a pretty good signal caller, and we know how that turned out.
I'd say failing to move your offense past your own 48 the entire 2nd half would qualify as crumbling. JMO.
Aren't a bunch of 2014 recruits from Georgia visiting Columbus this weekend? Will Watson be among them?
No worries, Arizona State will beat them. ASU is going to have a pretty good team this year.
God damn that's a pretty f*cking good milkshake! I don't know if it's worth five dollars, but it's pretty f*cking good.
If OSU goes unbeaten they will get the nod...two seasons without a loss is too hard for voters to pass up the possibility of seeing whether they are national title worthy
I can't forsee a scenario where an OSU team on a 24 game win streak would ever be left out.
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That's what I think too. The human component is 2/3's of the BCS formula. If they are sitting at 13-0 after a 12-0 season in 2012 there's just no way they get left out. It they were to be left out, I feel horrible for the program that Urban unleashes his fury against in the bowl game.
I also think, if Ohio State is smacking fools next year instead of pulling out close ones against UAB, they'll get a favorable computer rating too. I know some of those computers have to account for margin of victory as a component of their ratings.
ND. The BCS should know that ND can't win a BCS bowl game (oh and four), let alone a championship game.
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Our schedule for 2013 sucks a fat lefty. Unfortunately, I could see a scenario with OSU being undefeated and getting left out of the NC, assuming two other teams are also undefeated.
I really don't think a team on a 25 game winning streak will be left out of anything.
a long long ways to go to have a 25 game win streak, a lot of work to be done. however should tOSU get to that point, how can they be denied a shot at the sec champ? do i think 13-0 is possible? i sure do.
Let's just get to 13-0 and worry about it then ;)
I've seen many a "superior" team fall to an "inferior" opponent.
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