What recent (2002 season to 2012 season) Buckeye Football player do you feel was undervalued? By what party?
A) The Media
B) The Fans
C) The coaches
And Why? Doesn't have to be story length, just a short response.
I think Antionio Pittman didn't get and still doesn't get enough respect from the media for his efforts while on campus. He was surrouned by Troy Smith, Ted Ginn, Santonio Holmes and Anthony Gonzales- but in 2004 and 2005 without him we wouldn't have had any type of effective running game and he was pretty explosive when he had an opportunity to get into the secondary.
Your Thoughts?
Ross Homan, the fans and the media. Solid LB but had to follow Laurinitis, and wasn't flashy.
Homan is a good one. Laurinaitis left huge shoes to fill.
I always felt like Kurt Coleman wasn't given as much attention as he should've been by the media, at least on a national level. He made some key plays at key times and brought energy to the defense.
TP- by both the media and some fans. Despite the fact that he harmed the program, he did lead the team to quite a few big wins. His legacy is about tats, but he did win while he was at tOSU.
Wonder what Coach Meyer could have done with his kind of talent, considering what he did with Tebow.
Brian Hartline by the Coaches- seeing what he is doing in the pros maybe Coach Tressel missed on his potential.
Nate Ebner on ST. Wasn't much talk about him until he was drafted. Agreed on Pittman.
Terrelle Pryor- D) All of the above.
People want to downplay everything he did because they're still upset about "Tatgate". The boy was a flat out beast. I love Braxton, but at the moment i'm not taking him over Pryor.
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I'm just not convinced he was undervalued by anyone. Despite what happened with Tatgate, I don't think anyone is saying he wasn't an effective QB while he was playing. To me, they're two different entities.
Travel around the internets and you'll read different.
Plus I hear it from people here in Columbus.
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What this guy said. (Baroclinicity)
If "effective" or good is your valuation of Pryor, then you're undervaluing him. All-time OSU great at QB would be more appropriate.
I was never a big fan, but he's in the discussion for best QB in OSU history.
Personally I go with Troy Smith, hopefully to soon be supplanted by Braxton, with a shoutout to Joe Germaine, Craig Krenzel and Art Schlister (can never spell his name, sorry), but TP tends to get way underrated by a lot of OSU fans.
Effective is not how I would label Pryor, but for the sake of the argument, I don't ever hear anyone say anything less than that. Even those p.o.ed at him acknowledge he was a force, so I don't think Pryor was ever undervalued. Was he a knucklehead? That's a different debate.
Fair enough.
I do still run into folks that refuse to acknowledge his ability due to being PO'd about tat gate.
Probably got too much hype to call him undervalued. He was, however (along with A Luck) the best college QB I've ever seen at converting 3rd down.
On the negative side, he lost the game at Penn St. single handedly (pun intended)
Huh? The only game he ever played @Penn State, Ohio State won 24-7(it should have been a shutout).
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i think hes talking about the home loss, which i didnt blame pryor for so much as his lack of experience up to that point, and still developing the help around him, i think pryor is the best qb on osu history, that my opinion, and if you want to implement the "hasn't won a champioship argument," thats perfectly valid but these numbers don't lie (and he did this for the most part with anemic play callers)
334 - career-high for passing yards, set in the 2011 win over Indiana;
115 - career-high for rushing yards, set vs. Arkansas in the 2011 Sugar Bowl;
76 - touchdowns accounted for (57 passing; 17 rushing; two receiving), second-most at Ohio State;
7 & 22 - school-record totals for 300-yard and 200-yard games of total offense, respectively;
2 - Bowl game MVP awards; he accounted for 338 yards of offense in the 2010 Rose Bowl win over Oregon and followed that up with 336 total yards in the 2011 Sugar Bowl win over Arkansas;
8 - 100-yard rushing games;
16 - consecutive passes completed vs. Ohio in 2010, a school record;
271.2 and 213.9 - school record total offense averages for season (2010) and career, respectively;
3 - Big Ten Championships won by Ohio State.
Mike Kudla during the 2005 season by the fans and media at least. Some notes from NFLDraftScout:
Also, wreaked havoc during the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame.
I remember during the '05 game at Michigan, Tressel would shift him out before the snap count to chuck Braylon Edwards, which totally threw his timing out of any routes he was running. Then he would sprint in from the right side to the QB. It was very effective that day.
Either a different year, or [likely] Jason Avant in '05. Braylon's last year was 2004. Sorry, it doesn't change your point, just being a dick Michigan fan.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
I'll yield to you here. Maybe Breaston? Could it have been him? But it was '05, definitely.
Dick Michigan Fan = A distinction without a difference
Chekwa, by the fans for sure. The way everyone complained about him you would think he wasn't good enough for DIII ball, but the dude ended up a 4th round pick in the draft.
I was one of those. Have to admit his senior year was so much better than his earlier three. I think a lot of the criticism of his early carreer was justified. Just my opinion.
agreed i like chekwa, but he took a little bit too long to develop and him as a starter when he wasnt ready was costly
I am probably showing my age a bit, but TIm Anderson and Matt Wilhelm come to mind immediatley for me. I have always been keen on DT's that stuff the run first, and i am more of a Defensive minded guy, so maybe i am a little biased.
@osustu and baroclinicity
I met Kudla somewhere around '04 or '05 and he was absolutely nice as can be. That dude was built like a brick $#!%house too. Would hate to piss him off!
Didn't he tie the record for reps @225lbs on the bench at the NFL combine?
That is funny that you mentioned them because they were my other two finalists. I also thought about Simon Fraser to include.
loved simon fraser
Haha. Showing your age with Tim Anderson and Matt Wilhelm? Man, I really hope remembering guys that were on the 2002 team doesn't make you old.
I do remember hearing that Kudla could basically bench a small pickup truck. Does anyone remember him being shown on the scoreboard screen after he would make a play? HUGE, huge biceps.
Agreed wholly on Anderson and Wilhem. Stated that below before I even read yours. Upvote for you. Add Willl Allen from that era (Nickey started in front of .... ughh).
Rob Sims (OT)
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
How about Andy Groom in 2002 by (A/B) the media and fans? Sure, he's a punter, so never being mentioned by the media is basically a given unless you play for LSU. Groom averaged a ridiculous 45 yards per punt on a team that placed that as the most important play in the game.
Plus he was a walk-on. Got a scholly in either his jr. or sr. year.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
Brian Rolle was undervalued by all.
Gonzo
Boom
Krenzl (worst QB to ever win a NC ... ha ha)
Tim Fox (nephew Dustin Fox was most overrated)
Krenzel, Wilhelm, Tim Anderson, Goebel, Donald Washington, Will Allen (only one really by coaches ... Nickey started in front of him ... enough said), Pittman (maybe by the coaches ... was better as a Frosh than vets Ross and Mo Hall).
I think Cardale Jones is one to watch for after Braxton leaves.
Reason?
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Im not completely sure why I think this. It's more of a gut feeling really. I just hear that he has really great arm strenght along with the fact that he is huge and still mobile. I just think with a few years under Urban he could end up being pretty good.
Didn't know that he was 6-5 / 235. That's a big man.
You might be right.
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I think he has tons of potential with this size and athleticism but his attitude is what concerns me. The whole twitter thing really bugged me.
i think most peoples money is on JT barrett or a 2014, maybe even 2015 recruit
I agree. I think Cardale could be great if given a chance or giving himself a chance. Plus he's out of Glenville they give us some good players
Wherever you are, there you be!
A two QB system, maybe?
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Ha. He cant even play school right.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Donnie Nickey, frequently overshadowed by mike doss but the guy was solid and went on to an extended NFL career
Sanzenbacher, just ask John gruden
Going out on a limb here but- Mike Nugent. He is easily the best kicker in OSU history, and therefore probably not undervalued but his impact was tremendous. He broke or tied 22 school records and contributed key kicks to numerous close games for the Bucks in his career, especially in 2002. Tress valued his importance but by the nature of his position I think he is undervalued. Cool thread.
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Due to the fact that Nuge had a cult following unlike anything I've ever seen from a kicker I'd say he was appropriately valued. And not just by the fans, I can actually remember a few talking heads on espn during Nugent's last year having Nuge on their short list for heisman a few weeks into the season (notably after his 55 yarder to beat Marshall). Dude got a lot of love for a kicker, deservedly so
I agree. It's a tough argument to say he was undervalued when he had the best career ever for a kicker at OSU. It's amazing how popular he was and how his legacy is tied to making big kicks to win big games. I guess my only point is that, as a whole kickers are not valued much but this clearly doesn't apply to Nuge. Guess the limb I crawled out on just broke.
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I undertand the Nuge mention from the standpoint that when people ask to name your "top 10" he probably won't get mentioned very often due to the position that he played.
Nugent was money, but he wasn't as good as Skladany.
Skladany kicked an insane amount of kickoffs into the endzone and was a great punter, both for distance and for touch.
He doesn't have as many field goals because they scored TDs such a large percentage of the time, but he was called on for the long, hard ones and made a lot of them.
Longest field goal in OSU history? Tom Skladany - 59 yards at Illinois!
Record from beyond 50 yards:
Nugent 8 of 9! including a couple of 55 yarders
Skladany - 1 of 9
Id probably have to give it to Nugent, but id put Skladany in as the all-time punter. Just my opinion.
Wow.
Where did you get the stats?
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/1213_guide_8recor...
Ohio State football recordbook! (2012 edition)
Lots of good stuff in there.
I'm going out on a limb with this one, but I'd guess she's NOT undervalued
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
Who is she?
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Believe it or not but that is the girl from the movie Roadhouse
CHRIS GAMBLE.
He should be a legend. He played 130+ plays as a shut down corner, big time receiver and returner. Guy had a phenomenal national title game. Unreal statement plays like the pick 6 against PSU. One of my favorite Bucks.
Do we really think he was undervalued? I would put him as one of the top 10-15 players in school history.
Paul Warfield
Woody said he was one of the best running back he had.
Warfield is in the NFL Hall of Fame as a WR.
I always felt like Marcus Freeman was undervalued by the fans..... At least in my circle he was constantly talked bad about.
Corny Green by the fans.... He played in the shadow of Archie and but still won the Big Ten MVP
I honestly think a very important player on the team right now is undervalued still. CARLOS HYDE!!!!! I know the fans have mostly jumped on his bandwagon now, but there are still a lot of people out there wh would rather see Smith getting the bulk of the carries. Hyde isn't flashy, he doesn't break of 50 yard TD runs, but he's consistent and reliable and he holds onto the ball. If he fumbled half as much as Rod, people would be calling for his head. Rod fumbles once a game and everyone wants to make excuses for why he does, like a helmet hit the ball.
Carlos had 970 yards while missing 2 games and only getting 7 carries in another game where he got hurt, all while his QB had over 1000 yards too. Even with that success people are still talking about hoping Rod gets a bunch of carries next year and how great Rod can be.
No doubt in my mind, Carlos Hyde is undervalued and not respected nearly as much as he should be.
Antonio Smith anyone? Dex Larimore? Nader Adbidontknowhowtospellhislastname?
I don't know about Antonio Smith. I think he was properly represented as a former walk-on turned starter by everybody. Just no love in this forum.
Tyler Everett may be a good person to talk about though.
Tyler Evertt is a good one.... So is Nate Salley. I completely forgot about Salley.
Brian Bashnagel
Brian Rolle
Tom Campana
Both Cusick brothers
Boon Herron. He had an awesome year in TP's final season and you could see a huge difference when he came back 2 years ago.
He was undervalued by all in my opinion. I would have taken him as one of the top 7-8 backs in the country, but I'm probably alone in that.