PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
You think this 4.82 40 will drop his latest ESPN projections from Mel K, who had him 12th?
2 offensive lineman beat this time.
GOOD! This might dissuade the Bears from taking him. Ignore the whole Catfish thing, the guy just isn't a dynamite prospect. He's a middle linebacker who will make tackles and get lost in the middle of NFL caliber lines. He played one team with NFL caliber linemen and they spent the whole game doing mean things to him. He's a nice pick up in the late 2nd, early 3rd. This idea that he's a first round pick was laughable, now it should appear impossible.
He just isn't worth one of the top 50 picks in the draft.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Be careful, knowing the Bears, they will think he is the next Urlacher. Your description of Teo is that of Urlacher. Although I think Urlacher has a bit more speed.
"I'll fire when I'm god damn good and ready! You got that?" - Pete "Maverick" Mitchel
If the Bears confuse him with Urlacher then there is no hope for them. Brian was probably the most physically gifted linebacker the NFL has ever seen given his combination of size and speed. The worst part about Te'o is that the slimmed DOWN to run his absolute best 40 and this was what he came up with. He's short and light-dude is a WLB, not an MLB.
After re-reading my comment, I realize I sound like I'm taking a shot at Urlacher. I meant it to be a shot towards Bears management. IMO they have been terrible in their decisions over the last few years whether it be drafting, trading, or free agency. They have had a championship caliber defense for the past ten years and have yet to put together a competent offense. Unfortunately, now it looks as if the window is slowly closing on that defense do to age. They may only have a few years left of being great defense. If this was Lovie and company it would not surprise me if they drafted Teo but hopefully the new regime has some sense to help Cutler out a bit. For the record, Teo is no Urlacher by any means of the imagination!
In all reality, I see the Bears attacking the G and C positions in free agency. If Tyler Eiffert falls to them in the draft, they will take him, then they can use their second round pick on a tackle and hope he's the guy. Assuming a few pieces drop, I see the Bears addressing a combination of at least G\TE\T\C in the draft and free agency. Ideally you want to draft tackle because if Long and\or Clady hit open waters they'll demand a kings ransom. Guards and Centers are generally more affordable.
The Bears are reaping the benefits of being one of the worst drafting teams in the league. This draft more than ever is a big one because you have a closing window on your offense and you are really in QB Hell. I love Jay Cutler and he's good enough to not have to go out and upgrade at QB but not good enough (so far what he's shown) to win you a title.
FWIW Sabino ran 4.75
Disclaimer: I can't ignore the Catfish thing. Lennay Kekua clocked him at a 4.28.
On a serious note, I agree with BrewstersMillions - he's about as good of a prospect as Rey Maulaluga was coming out of USC (who ran a 4.91). Not 1st Round material.
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Luckily for Te'o ILBs aren't asked to run 40 yards in a straight line. His other workouts were fine including the cone drill and shuttles. Thinking he is a late 2nd early 3rd guy is laughable. It is still very possible he goes in the first round, if you listen to people who actually know the draft instead of just retweeting 40 times.
I guess it depends on whether or not pro scouts see him as the player that got overmatched against Bama or the "Heisman contender" that had a hell of a lot of luck with deflected and underthrown balls this season. Personally, I've never seen a 1st rounder when I look at Te'o, some disputed 40 time isn't going to change that for me.
That said, why don't you ask a certain Super Bowl winning coach whether or not he thinks speed is important in an ILB? http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/25/4028664/john-harbaugh-manti-teo-40-gif
Explains why he disappeared in the NCG... or he learned that from his GF...
He disappeared because Alabama put an offensive lineman on him almost every play.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I will never understand why he's so solidly predicted to go in the first round. I'm going to laugh my ass off at whoever picks him, complete waste of a first round pick.
(and for reference I'm not saying that based on his 40 time, I'm saying it based on watching him play)
No idea what kind of NFL LB he will be, but 40 time means absolutely nothing to an inner linebacker.
Ever watch a slow ILB cover a running back out of the backfield on a pass play, or an athletic TE on a seam route?
If an ILB is covering a TE on a seam route, there has been a scheme breakdown.
OLB and strong safety are usually the guys covering pass routes in the NFL.
The 40 times do matter, even for lineman and definitely for all linebacker spots.
If your inner LB is running 40 yards, you have much bigger problems with your team than that guy's speed.
The 10 yard split and the various cone agility drills are far, far more important for a DL and ILB.
Show me a team drafting its inner linebackers on speed and I'll show you a team that has a high draft pick every year.
If your inner LB is running 40 yards, you have much bigger problems with your team than that guy's speed.
You must have missed Storm Klein against Indiana this year. I think he was within 30 yards of the running back, by the time he scored on the pass play, in the first quarter.
College. And, in fact, when we were in the midst of scheme issues.
Lance Briggs, for example, ran a 4.78.
Look, there is a difference between straight line speed, acceleration, and agility. Straight line speed means a lot for a CB, S, or WR. The further you are from the center, the more it means. As you get closer to the center, acceleration and agility mean much, much more.
An RB that can stop on a dime and cut, then hit top speed in two steps is going to have much more success than an RB that can run a 4.3 but has average cutting ability and takes several steps to accelerate. Barry Sanders is a perfect example.
there are absolutely circumstances where a DL or ILB will need straight line speed, but those circumstances are much fewer than when he'll need acceleration and agility.
If Teo kills the cone drills and has a good 10 yard split, you'll see one of the smart perennial playoff teams- Pats, Ravens, Steelers- take him late in the first round. Those teams have made a killing over the years taking guys that fell because other teams put too much attention into the 40.
I have other doubts about Teo. I'm just saying that basing his NFL future on his 40 is to miss what really matters.
Good post here.
FTR, Te'o performed well in the cone and shuttle drills, better than Olgetree in both. He was among the best in the on field drills where he needed to be able to move his feet and change direction were handled well by him too.
Sometimes my inner linebacker wants to blow up the A Gap, but my outer coach potato just has another beer.
Ever watch a mid backer run sideline to sideline?
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
Spielman ran a 4.85
Emmet Smith a 4.7
Jerry Rice a 4.6
Yes, but how many guys were running 4.35 in their era? That game was not as fast then as it is today.
Agreed, but Spielman had a knack to be around the ball, never over ran plays and rarely missed tackles. Scouts need to look at "football players" first.
LOL ... Spielman didn't play THAT long ago. LOL It's not like he played in a leather helmet.
Trotwood-Madison. Once a Ram, Always a Ram.
So I guess Jerry Rice would be a late 2nd rounder this year ?!? s/
bo jackson ran a 4.18
fwiw i would draft rds over teo, but i also think shazier is the type of guy that will kill it at the combine
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Bo Jackson is not human so he does not count.
If a team is considering drafting a MLB with its 1st round pick, he must be a stud who is capable of playing all three downs.
With Te'o, he is not an explosive player who is really athletic and capable being all over the field. At 6'1 and 241, you would expect more speed coming from a guy who has a first round grade on him.
Just wanna point out our boy Shazier runs a 4.4. HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES, NOTRE DAME.
That's great for him, but I can assure you Notre Dame gives not a single f*ck about it.
And I don't give a single f*ck about Notre Dame!
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
Good for you, although I'm not sure why'd you bring ND up when talking about Shazier's reported 40 time if that were the case?
You never want to miss the opportunity of taking a poke at the golden homers.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Not to speak for anyone but when teo was in the running for heisman, a lot of the stats teo posted that Espn was force feeding the general college football public were actually equal to or very very close to shazier's stats. Yet shazier received no love compared to the great n mighty manti teo from south bend.
I think RDS' stats were better in most categories except interceptions. Te'o did have a lot of INTs so at least he's got good hands working for him.
Class of 2010.
Te'o was really good at catching bad/deflected passes. Other than that Shazier was superior in metrics like tackles, solo tacklers, TFLs (by a huge margin), sacks and forced fumbles.
Why would I bring up Notre Dame when I'm talking about RDS's 40 time? Because I'm posting on a thread about a former Notre Dame player's 40 time and I want to rub our superior athleticism in the golden domers' smug faces maybe?
Ha, I'd prefer not to start a war of words on here because I enjoy reading the information and from time to time the opinions of Buckeye fans (also because it wouldn't be a fair fight as you would be heavily outmatched), but that is a fairly smug thing for you to say.
You're saying I'm smug yet you boast about how I would be heavily outmatched against you in a war of words? haha, ironic. And I doubt it.
I admit I like to take potshots at the Domers. If that makes me a bad person, then I guess I have to live in sin for the rest of my life haha. If you don't like me ripping on Notre Dame, I don't know what to tell you. Everyone deserves their own little irrational hatreds. Mine happens to be Notre Dame, and I'm not gonna apologize for it.
There was thread about Te'o running a slow 40 time. I posted about Shazier's excellent 40 time and made a dig at Notre Dame. If you don't like it, you don't have to reply to my posts, man . . .
D.Anthony, you should put a warning label on this one. I almost spit orange juice on my computer. I agree that 40 times aren't the most important factor in drafting a MLB. I think I just expected more out of the "all world' star. Te'slow??
Reporters were said to be discussing the imaginary caboose Mantei claimed to be carrying.
All Te'o did was confirm what many scouts were already thinking when watching his tape.....his speed is a question mark.
CONS: Slow-footed, susceptible to play-action fakes, pump fakes, fake girlfriends...
I love the Brady Hole gif
His 40 time wouldn't be such a concern if he were bigger. At his size, more speed is expected. So now he is an undersized and relatively slow ilb.Not exactly a thumper either.
I would pay a lot of money to see Brady Hoke run the 40.
Manti probably would have ran faster if Lennay was at the end of the track.
"Come to me Teo, come at me bro" - Lennay
Insert witty remark
Ray Maualuga had this same problem coming out. Now he's targeted on passing routes and the Bengals are wondering if they'll resign him. I think the 40 time is problematic unless he can show the ability to cover NFL TEs...
Did you see how San Francisco went after Ray Lewis time and again with a quick tight -end. That's the book on slower than average MLB's in the NFL.
Is the guy in the original pic running from Brady (C) Hoke? I only ask because he has food in his hand
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