I wish I was offered by Ohio State when I was 14 yrs old...
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/02/alabama_extends_scholarship_of.html
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Just wondering when he's gunna start getting some offers..
Auburn has offered a full ride with a $25,000 signing bonus.
/Duff'd It
Moses, a 6-foot-1, 215-pound athlete
Wow, the kid is in Jr. High???? I don't remember even having linemen that big at that age. I played ball at a small Division VI school, so at 6'1" and 215 pounds would be considered a big RB in HS.
How are kids this small getting HGH?
But seriously, that's highly unusual, but I was 6'1 at that point in time in my life and I haven't grown since. He could be at his peak for all we know.
/Duff'd It
I'm not sure but I don't think HGH helps in height growth, right?
but he probably was juiced at some point because he is jacked!
That's the whole point. Offering a scholarship when the kid is barely into puberty isn't doing anyone any favors (although I suppose it's gotten attention and that's the real goal here). People develop at different rates. What happens if he has indeed peaked, at least compared to his peer group? He could very well do his best, and still be labeled a "bust" or a "disappointment" if he gets to 18 and it turns out he's not actually a SEC-caliber player. No one deserves that.
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It's doing the kid a favor. You know how many chicks this kid is gonna get?
Seriously though.. I'm not sure I agree with this. This kid is going to get real popular real fast. And while that might sound fine and dandy, I'm not sure an 8th grader is mature enough mentally to handle it. It's probably a lot easier to take advantage of someone that young than, say, a junior or senior in high school
Pshh... 6'1" 215 lbs in 8th grade... not impressed, I was the same size...
is that a picture of Brady Hoke in 8th grade?
Did you see his picture? He looks older than most high schoolers!
That's because he is Adam, he's in the 8th grade, BUT he's fifteen. That should tell us all we need to know. =/ He'd be 20 by the time he gets to college...
"Leave...Your...Mark..."
good point. Parris Campbell is a junior in HS at 15. Very odd indeed.
I feel like being a 15 year old junior is more odd than being a 15 year old 8th grader. I turned 15 in July between my 8th and 9th grade years.
Junior = 12th year in school (starting with K) ==> 15-12 = Started Kindergarten at age 3. I agree, this seems like it would be much less common than turning 6 during your Kindergarten year.
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
They are both odd. Typically a junior is 16-17 but being 15-16 is only a year off. If anything it is more impressive that PC is ahead of the game by a year. But 8th grade typically is 12-13. That is like being held back for 2 extra years. Either there was an early learning disability or something but it is very untypical for a kid to be 15 in 8th grade. He should be in 10th grade, sophomore. (I don't include Kindergarten, sorry! might as well include pre-school then)
Well like I said, I was 14 in 8th grade and a ton of my classmates were also 14 or turned 14 during the school year. I was one of those in between birthdays where I could have started kindergarten when I was 5 or 6. My mom chose 6 because I had a twin sister and she thought that she would mature a little faster than me and I wouldn't be ready (I tend do think that I am the more mature one though).
Moral of the story is that 15 isn't THAT extreme. But 8th grade is a little too extreme for a scholarship offer IMO.
Also, there is a big difference between a 15 year old junior and a 15 8th grader in terms of maturity IMO
8th graders are typically 13-14. If he is 15 then he has only been held back once assuming that he started the year 14 and has turned 15 during this school year. Now if he is 15 going on 16 then he was held back twice.
How old were you when you started school? The math just isn't adding up. 9+5 (5 is the typical age to start Kindergarten) is 14 in 8th grade. To be 12 in 8th grade, you would have to start at age 3, which is most likely NOT happening. Typically a junior would be 12 + 5 = 17, not 16. You would have to start Kindergarten at age 4, which I was not allowed to do because of the rules even though I would be 5 a few days after the school year started, to be 16 as a Junior unless you were jumped a grade.
I just read you don't include Kindergarten. Why not? Are there places that start you at age 5 in first grade without Kindergarten?
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
I don't include kindergarten in the numbers (sophomore year is not 11th grade, its 10th). I didn't say I did not include it in life.
all I am saying is I was 15 starting my sophomore year in HS (I turned 16 during). I had a very typical age for my class, and yes did attend kindergarten. So for him to be 15 in 8th grade is a bit behind although it might not be as much as I am stating because he could have had an early birthday but it was very likely he was held back at least 1 year.
not typical!
Bah, I was counting whole years for each grade, thinking age at completion instead of age beginning. I was 15 right after my freshman year started. I'll go stand in the corner now. :-P
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
I don't know any 8th graders with their temps.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
JACK TATUM
I don't know that it's "very odd." I was able to start kindergarten at 4 years old due to a late September birthday. I was 15 in my Junior year.
I think it's pretty impressive from an athletic stand point.
Nah, I was the same. I was born in August, so I missed the deadline to start Kindergarten when I was going to be 5. I always had my B-Day right after the school year started and was fifteen when I was in eighth grade. He'll be nineteen unless his birthday is toward the end of the school year, which wouldn't make sense unless his parents didn't let him go when he should have started or he was held back a year.
I, however, was never of a physical stature where I had any size advantage over my classmates :-P
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
Just because you were in 8th grade at 15 doesn't mean it isn't odd. Having an early birthday counts as being ahead by 1 year. Being held back would account for the other year. It is 2 years difference. My age/year in school is on the average because I didn't skip any years, held back any years and my birthday is in November. I was 15 as a sophomore in HS.
Again, I am not saying he is stupid or has a learning disability, just saying it is not a normal thing for a 15 year old kid to be in 8th grade. Let alone 6'1'' and 215.
I turned 15 in July, the summer after 8th grade. Having the summer birthday I was "held back" one year. It didn't give me much of a sports advantage although I will say I was very popular after my freshman year as I turned 16 that July and was able to drive well before many of my friends.
Also note I had a friend turn 15 in early June after 8th grade. So as it is a little strange I think it depends on exactly when his birthday falls. There are many cases out there of 14-15 while in 8th grade or the summer before you start high school.
"I'll fire when I'm god damn good and ready! You got that?" - Pete "Maverick" Mitchel
I was the same way, Chitown.... Although, 2 of my best friends were actually older than me by about a month. There were actually quite a few of us in my class who were 16 our whole sophomore year and then a BUNCH more that turned 16
after 8th grade though. He is still in 8th grade. I'm sure he was held back just 1 year. Not a huge thing but he isn't a typical 8th grader by stature or age.
I turned 15 during Freshman year but I was still 15 when I started my sophomore year. My age was really right no the mark.
I understand. I would like to know when is his actual birthday. Even with a late winter or spring birthday it may still be common to "hold back" a kid in some places. I want to say I read somewhere that parents used to do it quite often in big football towns such as Massollin. (I've got no link, just thinking out loud. May have been on the documentary about the Massollin Tigers)
I will say he is crazy big even for 15, no matter his grade.
"I'll fire when I'm god damn good and ready! You got that?" - Pete "Maverick" Mitchel
Gametime, where are you seeing that this kid is 15? Every article I have found says he is 14. Can you link your source please?
In the article from Alabama.com, his dad gave the following quote the other day post Alabama's offer.
Link : http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/02/alabama_extends_scholarship_of.html
So do we think his dad as of a couple days ago forgot how old his kid was? I don't think so. Even if the kid turned 15 this year, he would only be 19 when he graduates, not 20, but all signs point to him actually being 18 at graduation.
If anybody is questioning his smarts, he goes to a school that is considered academically elite and extremely selective concerning it's student body. It is very unlikely that a kid held back one year, let alone two could go to this school, but I guess anything is possible.
Besides, what does his age matter? It isn't the kid's fault a couple of premier college football programs have offered him scholarships while he was in 8th grade. If we really have a problem with this, let's not question the kid and find what is at fault with him when clearly the real problem is with the recruiting process. College coaches should not be able to offer middle schoolers scholarships, officially or not.
When LSU first offered him he was 14 in July & finishing up his 7th grade year, as the articles state he was a soon-to-be 8th grader: http://http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8199497/soon-8th-grader-dylan-moses-offered-lsu-tigers-scholarship
Going from there, during or towards the end of his 8th grade year he would be turning 15 which would then follow as 9th = 16, 10th =17, 11th =18, 12th = 19, and since it sounds like he finishes school late, unless he graduates early, he would be turning 20 his freshman year in college.
His age doesn't really "matter" perse, but if you've been around elite athletics, especially parents with the intent to mold their kids into elite athletes or students, it's very common for them to "hold their kids back a year or two" so they can gain a competitive advantage both academically & athletically in terms of physical & mental development among kids who might be starting at a "normal" or "early" schedule.
"Leave...Your...Mark..."
Well, that article is dated July 26th, so when they say "soon to be 8th grader", they just mean that he hasn't officially started 8th grade yet. His school started August 13th, so I guess that is when he was officially an 8th grader. (LSU Laboratory School - Schedule link http://www.uhigh.lsu.edu/calendars/calendars.html)
Given the recent articles concerning the Alabama offer, it appears that he is still 14. So we know that his birthday is sometime between now and July 26th. If we once again reference his school's calendar, we know his final exams are done by May 24th, therefore having him completing the 8th grade at that time. If his birthday is between May 24th and July 26th, then he will have completed 8th grade as a 14 year old, and would have him graduating from high school at 18 just like most people.
Could he turn 15 before he completes 8th grade? Yes, but it appears the most likely scenario is that Dylan is one of those kids that has a borderline birthday where either you start him a year earlier and he is one of the youngest kids in his class or you start him the following year and he is one of the older kids.
I currently live in the Baton Rouge area and can say with a high level of certainty that if he were held back do to grades, he would not be going to that school. For the Baton Rouge private schools, if you aren't doing well academically, they don't hold you back, they kick you out. They are more concerned with protecting their academic statistics than anything, and that is how they do it. Also, the LSU Lab school is very selective, with most kids starting there in K or 1st grade. That is generally the time when parents with a kid that has a borderline birthday decide if he is going to be one of the youngest in his class or one of the oldest. To me, I think this is the most likely scenario.
With all the above being said. I do agree with you that parents will hold their kids back for sports, I just don't think that is what happened with this kid. I also know there are stories that LSU has recommended potential recruits to U High (The high school associated with Dylan's middle school) if they have established themselves at a public high school and they have the grades to get in. Could this be happening now at the middle school level? Maybe, nothing would surprise me at this point. The school is right across the street from Tiger stadium, so it makes it really easy for the LSU coaches to stay in contact with these kids, and probably even influence their development as well as strength and conditioning programs.
There was a kid in my hometown named Chad Voytek who is now at Pitt... He was offered by UT when he was in 7th grade. The younger twin brothers of Eric Berry were offered by UT in 7th grade. This type of stuff happens all the time.
This is all Lane Kiffin's fault
/Duff'd It
He looks like he could destroy a hs team full of seniors.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
I heard Texas A&M offered an entire junior high team for 2018. They gotta keep up their 40-plus member recruiting classes in the future, too.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
Lol nice work
I thought this thread might be about Honey Badger having a son in the 8th grade.
D. Anthony
Fortunately they can just pull his offer if they don't like his development, or oversign and then force him to drop off the team. No real risk for Bama here.
Kids should be at least a sophomore in high school before college recruiters can contact them. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. People wonder why 'adults' playing pro sports end up broke a year or two after they're done playing with no education and no options. When kids mature in a non-optimal environment (college recruiters contacting them in 8th grade, 'mentors' that are only focused on athletics, people letting these 'phenoms' do whatever they want to off the field, etc.), that is just asking for trouble down the line when they're 25, 30, 35 years old and the game has passed them by.
Sadly, the media attention this brings to the schools offering will only make more kids want attention like this.
I wonder how long it takes, in this recruiting battle, till Ole Miss sends it's top recruiter into the fray.
Nah, Ole Miss will get nuked by the NCAA before he's in college.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
This kid is already a 'Bama offensive line commit:
It's only going to get worse.
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This seems a bit unsafe/unfair, but is mesmirizing.. http://kegsneggsblog.com/2013/02/27/animated-dylan-moses-demolishes-othe...
via @KegsnEggs
Wow! You guys got to watch this link.
It is simply crazy how recruiting has changed over the years.... 8th FREAKIN GRADE!!! SMH...
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." -- Urban Frank Meyer -- I LOVE THIS DUDE!! :)
Urbz should one up him and offer the Mason youth league football player.
http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/sports/saints-quarterback-drew-brees-tweets-about-mason-boys-impressive-football-play
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
JACK TATUM
So what? It's the south. He's probably already 17.
His highlight tape is impressive. Although its one thing to be a man among boys in 8th grade playing against 7th and 8th graders, its another thing to be a man among boys next year as a freshman doing that to juniors and seniors in HS
This story is disturbing