Assuming we land Marshon, I would have to imagine him and Jalin would be a little slower than Teddy and Gonzalez, but overall both would be flashier and have much better moves in the open field. Just like how Pryor was faster than Braxton, but Braxton is so much more exciting to watch than Pryor ever was.
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Well considering many in the recruiting industry think that Marshon will be playing corner for us (prototypical island corner frame/burst), probably not. Albeit his most electrifying plays are on the offensive side of the ball.
I think he could be great at either, but with the sort of CB depth we're likely to have (not that you can't always use more), I just don't understand why the move to CB over having someone with Lattimore's skillset at WR. I've heard the same thing you have, though, that people feel he'll translate better to CB at the college level. His highlight film reminds me of Stefon Diggs -- not blow you away/straight-line fast, but a tremendous playmaker with hands, agility, the ability to run through tackles, can go up and get the ball.
I'm sure those who've actually seen him in game action know where he fits better than I do, though. But his film has playmaking, difference-maker WR written all over it to me.
Teddy was also the #1 rated corner in his class, though. So position changes are always a possibility with any recruit.
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Not to mention the guy was a QB in high school too. A la Jalin Marshall?
Ginn was all corner too...
I'm not saying he won't play offense, I'm saying as he's projected now, he's a CB. That's like judging the future O-Line headed by Billy Price and Donovan Munger: possiblities but not projections.
Not sure anyone is flashier than Teddy.
Not sure anyone is flashier than Teddy.
Holmes/Ginn was more electrifying than Ginn/Gonzalez
Agree to disagree I guess...Holmes/Ginn had huge impact on deeper routes. Gonzalez brought possession type receiving to OSU. He ran the underneath quick slant routes to perfection as well as the occasional big play and a couple monumental plays.
Holmes didn't have have speed that Gonzo or Ginn had
I think Holmes was as fast straight-line as Gonzo, if not faster.
Not that forty times at the NFL combine should be the only value- they shouldn't- but Gonzalez's forty was 4.4 flat. Holmes ran 4.35.
Holmes had "it" though, as he's been able to demonstrate on Sundays. Still remember his freshman game against Michigan; he was clearly a playmaker even in his first year.
"Just like how Pryor was faster than Braxton, but Braxton is so much more exciting to watch than Pryor ever was."
Ummmm what? Perhaps in some people's opinions, but its not the obvious statement/fact that you make it out to be. The ease in which Pryor played with is something I've still only see from him. He made it look so easy and I've never been more amazed/excited watching a Buckeye.
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Pryor was straight line speed fast like Ted Ginn, he wasn't side to side shifty and making people miss. Pryor was also huge and could break any arm tackle and had a fantastic stiff arm as well. As far as what the previous post was mentioning, I think it was more so that Braxton has that make you miss, side to side juking ability that leaves people's jocks on the field. I thought Pryor was an amazing athlete myself....but I've only seen a handful of people do the kind of stuff on the field that I've seen Braxton do.
I definitely have more fun watching Braxton than Pryor. I loved Pryor, and saw someone mention on here before that 3 and 16 was never scary with Pryor. His runs after scrambles were incredible. It was a blast watching him dominate, and if Wisonsin's o-line didn't own tOSU in the fourth quarter in Madison, we could be talking about a National Champion (assuming they could've beaten Cam and co.).
All that being said, I have more fun watching Braxton and the reason is because everything looks harder, and surprises me when he does it. Even though he's a phenomenal athete, he is not the fastest guy on the field, doesn't have Tebow's strength, or Troy Smith's senior year passing chops yet. For those reasons, he still seems like a bit of an underdog (at least to accomplish what he does). I'm a big bball fan, and I liken cheering for Braxton to cheering for Rondo (maybe my favorite athlete of all time). Even though you know how he wants to beat you, and doesn't have unstoppable athleticism/physicality (like Lebron or Shaq), and some weaknesses that should make him much easier to stop (in Rondo's case, jumpshooting) he still finds a way to beat you. That's what it looks like to me when Braxton makes the incredible plays he makes, that he's somehow finding a way to win, often through deception and quick decision making, sometimes through sheer will (jumping and reaching for first down against scUM last year), and the best times through both (PSU - best 1 yd run ever).
I never really doubted Pryor could run for a first down, and when he took off he rarely disappointed, and made it look easy. With Braxton, I'm doubting him less and less, but am still always amazed at how he made the play, moreso than that he was capable of making it. I would watch Braxton highlights over Pryor highlights any day (the same with Rondo over Lebron and Shaq), and the joy of watching them unfold live, is what makes him a more exciting player to me.
That's a fantastic argument. Terrelle is certainly more of a physical phenom, giving him a natural advantage in the physical sense.
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Looking back though I'm glad we didn't win the national championship that year. Tat-Gate
That's the thing. Braxton does amazing shifty things, but at times (the last two games mostly) he also looks really human. Where as when Terrelle was allowed to run, I saw less of that. Terrelle Pryor's domination when running the football was just amazing to me. Both are incredible.
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Really, if you go back and compare stats, Braxton's bad games running the ball were like typical/solid games for Pryor running the ball. Terrelle Pryor looked very human on a lot of occasions. Braxton almost matched TPs 100+ yards rushing games for TPs career in just Braxton's sophomore season. I think more to the point, the original thought was that Braxton is more of a highlight reel/exciting player, not that Pryor wasn't as effective. Braxton put up more highlight reel, jaw dropping, big plays worthy of the nickname XBrax360 in just this past season than Pryor did in 3. This isn't saying Pryor wasn't as effective, because by the time Pryor was a junior he was putting up very nice passing numbers.
C'mon man, we all know that's due to Urban Meyer's offensive system. Comparing running statistics here is moot.
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That is all.
Braxton's 40 time is faster....and yes...I've been more excited by Brax360 than I was by Pryor. Not to mention Pryor never had an undefeated season in 3 years...what's more exciting than that? Brax did it in his Sophomore year...just wait till the next two are over and see what you think then Jake....
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No offense, but your prior comments about Pryor and your open disdain for him because of off the field issues pretty much make your perspective void in this discussion for me. Braxton is being coached by Urban Meyer. Terrelle Pryor was coached by Jim Tressel. I personally like Jim Tressel more than I do Meyer, but its undeniable that a quarterback with Terrelle's athleticism is better off with a guy like Urban Meyer. Its a shame the two were never paired together. Terrelle Pryor might be involved in "top 5 or 10 college football players of all time" if that were the case. I don't care about 40 times. I don't have a bias between the two, for both of them have led my favorite team to amazing sucess, its just that when Terrelle was allowed to flap his wings he was the most exciting/amazing player to watch (even more so than Braxton.)
P.S. Don't take this the wrong way, but the proper nick name for Braxton you're looking for is "XBrax360", not "Brax360." Its a play on the video game console "Xbox 360", as you may know. If you say "Brax360", you're basically saying "Box 360", which doesn't make much sense. I'm sorry for nitpicking haha. You're not the first person I've seen do that, just the first that I've commented back to. I'm a little OCD/insane about the little things.
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The team 40 times. Pryor was the fastest on the team. Braxton was behind Hyde, Roby, and maybe a few others.
I imagine this convo taking place at (insert campus bar here) many times after 130am.
Holmes was a very good pure receiver and route runner. I remember hearing reports from the team back in the day that Gonzo was actually the fastest of the three in a 40 yd dash. Ginn with his long strides could outrun anyone once he got going at top speed. Ginn had phenomenal straight line speed but wasn't as shifty as a Braxton Miller type. He simply outran people, he didn't make them miss. Ted also wasn't that great of a receiver, he was just such a good athlete that he was effective in college.
I think it's important to keep in mind how fundamentally sound Gonzo was on top of being a burner. He didn't drop balls and he ran great routes. The phrase "7-11... always open" was pretty much true for these two. Ginn may very well have been the fastest player in college football in the last decade so route running wasn't as important, but again, he was always open.
If Braxton continues to develop into the passer that Troy Smith became, I don't doubt these two guys could become studs, but no matter how flashy you are, getting open can be a different ballgame at the D1 level. If they do though... look out.
Anyone remember the incredible Gonzo play against Iowa in 2006 when he caught the ball near the left hash and reversed it looping backwards 10 yards and running up the right sideline for the touchdown?
Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.
yes...i was yeling at my tv calling him an idiot for running backwards...until he scored, in which case, he was a genius haha
That is a bit overstated.
I think Taivon Jacobs could be just as electrifying as Marshall, and Lattimore.
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I can't speak for Santonio because I never asked and I don't even know if they were ever in school at the same time, but Malcolm always said Anthony was the toughest person he ever covered. Much more so than Teddy. Teddy was only tough once he got the ball. I believe Anthoby may have had faster straight line speed. Teddy just got Ti his top speed quicker and was muck quicker in and out of his cuts.
Sorry...Ginn had faster straight line speed. He was touted as having world class speed, as in he might have been able to excel at track.
Ginn ran a PR of 13.40 in the 110 hurdles in high school, and was national champion at that distance as a junior in high school (which in the US makes you world class). For some comparison, RGIII ran 13.46 for a PR. I guarantee Ted Ginn is faster than Anthony Gonzales. Not as good of a receiver, but definitely faster.
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I believe Gozo was faster. Check their forty times. At the end of the day, I can only go based on what Jenks tells me based on covering both. Not that Teddy was a slouch. Just that Gonzo was a monster.
I just looked up Gonzos reported recruiting time also...at least on paper he was quick. Maybe my previous comment shouldn't have been made so boldly.
Difference between Pryor and Braxton.............
Pryor used his speed and power to run away from a defender or run through a defender.........Braxton uses his quickness and shifty change of direction to make ppl miss him
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Sorry guys but 40 times do not mean football speed and if you have played you will know why. Must people that run really quick times are not use to running in pads and pads can alter your running stlye enough and then you add the wieght the pads add plus the cut down vision you have in the helmet too. 40 times will catch peoples eye but when you can run those times and be in full pads that is something.
Pryor was straight line fast because he had a gliding type of running strid. He would be at full speed and you would think he is barely running cause of his strid. Brax has more of a Barry sanders type running style. Fast and has that shiftyness to him, but he still has that breakaway football speed.