So I've been thinking the past couple days about the Brady Hoke vs. the Urban Meyer style of recruiting. By this, I was thinking about whether I'd (in general) prefer the coach to give out offers then make them committable, or only hand out scholarships and every single one is committable. I also was thinking about whether I'd rather a coach pull scholarship offers if a recruit visited elsewhere. After thinking about it, I decided I prefer Urban's approach on both accounts.
In terms of offers vs. committable offers it helps for both recruits and coaches. Recruits are able to claim they have an offer which can get the attention of other programs and coaches are able to point to the offers out and tell a recruit that there are other offers out, but they will be pulled if they commit. In terms of the pulling a scholarship offer, I think while it sounds admirable, a recruit may think there is something wrong with the school if they are worried about a visit, and it also shows that the coaches have enough faith in themselves to hold a commitment.
I was wondering your opinion as to which approach on both accounts you would prefer?
When it comes to anything but eating and mumbling Urban>Hoke.
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not worth mentioning in the same breath.
end of discussion.
just being in the same sentence should makes Hoke feel like honored,
so we'd better stop doing that.
I'd rather have Urban. Period.
Sorry, I thought this was about Urban or this guy
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I prefer Urban's method, we get some early and some mid but really load out towards the end after being able to see how a kids senior year unfolds some to make sure he'll fit our plans as well as we would like and that he has legitimately earned the scholarship offer. while Hoke's way seems to front load their class and they seem to just kinda coast to the finish. I see Urban's as a way to build momentum throughout recruiting cycle and increasing it right into offseason workouts. I think I would like to hear Hail's or M-Man's thoughts as to the way of the Flounder and how their fan base likes/thinks of his recruiting style.
All the games of the season are just practices for that glorious saturday in November when we get to jack Shoelace's invisible cereal bowl and drink our fill of delicious skunkweasel tears ...Michigan Still Sucks!!
I was thinking about this the other day too and completely forgot. Yea I like not having everyone committ until NSD the year before or a little before that. You have Shane Morris who committed in May of 2011, yet he isn't going to school until at earliest January 2013. I don't know if you can really judge a guy after their sophomore seasons and say they deserve a scholarship. I think they need to prove a few seasons in high school before I can actually believe it, but who knows.
I like Urban's. He knows exactly what he's getting from the appearance of how they did in their respective AA games and he's had the only 2 recruiting classes he has had at OSU ranked ahead of TTUN.
If Urban was not such a rock star I would prefer Hokes. Urban is great at turning over every stone until he gets what he wants. The lb situation and the name that does not need mentioning is a great example. He found Mitchel and Johnson, who are better players, and man are they fast! The special teams will blow people up this year!
Whenever I see a Beef O' Brady comments/comparisons on 11W...I just reference you all to this. Enjoy...that was from just one interview last summer...quite a few uhhhhs and other things...unreal (Granted...some were repeated a couple of times...but still unreal how he has to UHHHH before quite a few thoughts). Now watch this....you make your own decision. Sorry...not much to compare with but still...you get the point;-)
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Hokes recruiting reminds me of tressel. Main targets. A lot of early commits. Strong recruters good class builders but can't " close". Scum might miss oj all there big fish. Already missed mcquay n treadwell and there eggs our in the green cart so if they miss him they'll be passes up by a few teams on nsd
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The fact that you're comparing Urban Meyer to that mediocre ball coach up north in anything.. is friggin ridiculous. Seriously, if it was not for Robinson being a freak athlete .. he's 5-7 since he started. In 2011 ttun was severely overrated, and could barely knock off a very average VT team. I mean for god sake, they had to stop braxton miller on a potential game winning drive in 2011 in order to beat the worst team Ohio State has fielded in over 100 years! And you want to compare these two in ANYTHING ? Blasphemy. Blasphemy. Blasphemy. This was ttun "year to win it all" .. they went 8-5 !!!! The guy doesn't even wear a freakin headset when coaching for crying out loud !
I don't know if you remember, but when they fired RR .. their coaching choices were between some guy at SDSU or a popcorn vendor in section 123 at the Big House.
Urban Meyer: 116-23 / 7-1 bowl games / 2 Nat'l champ / 2 undefeated seasons
Brady Hoke: 66-57 / 2-2 bowl games
All that said .. URBAN.
Well ok then. I guess you didn't really read the post, but I was reffering to their styles of recruiting. More of an opinion on how they recruit not whether they are good or you like one over the other.
Michigan might have been over rated in 2011 but you are really wearing scarlet colored glasses if you think that we weren't over rated this year as well. Sure, we went undefeated, but it took and overtime win and and a 3 point victory to the two worst teams in the B1G.
Clearly you don't remember our 2002 season. Purdue, Cincinnati, etc. lol
The only thing I would say Brady beats Urban in would be the 4th of July hot dog eating contest at Nathan's Famous!
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
Just because he's fat doesn't mean he's good at it...I prefer to believe that he has an average appetite, yet spends the duration of the day on the couch watching Roseanne and eating bagel bites.
Kobayashi and Chesnut are hot dog eating master's and they are not that big, Urban probably wins in that too.
JT
One thing to clear up about Hoke's policy. He doesn't automatically revoke an offer if a player visits elsewhere. He just no longer considers them committed. So if he finds another player that he would take at that position, he will accept their commitment which could result in that position being filled and at that point the offer to the original player is essentially revoked because there is no longer room (not because he visited elsewhere). The times he has rescinded offers for visiting other schools is when the recruit was not open about it with the coaches.
I have no problem with either policy, but I obviously would much rather have Urban Meyer as my coach.
Of course we want to discredit Hoke's style and recruiting, but to say that he isn't comparable to Meyer is kind of homer-ish. Urban of course has a better track record, but past history and wins do not determine future success. Michigan's Lyoyd Carr beat a much better Urban coached Florida team on Florida turf. Does that mean that Lloyd Carr was a better coach. Of course not.
Hoke is putting together a family style atmosphere at Michigan and that bodes well for certain recruits. He is saying if you commit, then you're committed. I happen to respect the "no visit" policy because it reflects that if you are committed then your fully committed. Hoke does not "pull" scholarships for visiting. He just does not consider you a commit which makes total sense.
This will be a battle with Michigan year in and year out whether we like to think so or not...that's the way it should be!!! Unfortunately, the rest of the B1G are going to be bottom feeders.
The only reason Hoke doesn't want his recruits visiting other schools is simple psychology, aka the recency effect. We tend to remember best the most recent thing we experienced. Hoke wants the first and last memory of a recruit to be the visit he took to scUM. In that way, I understand where college coaches are coming from when they don't want a kid to visit other schools after their own.
The perception is that Urban gets a load of recruits at the end of the recruiting season, but only 3 have been recent recruits. We were stuck at 17 or 18 recruits for a long time. I don't mind commitable vs non commitable offers really. There is nothing wrong with some kids being a backup plan as long as they are aware of it, plus it gives them something to work for.