Just watched the rotund one that is the ttun coach Hoke. After every loss, and I mean every loss, he refuses to acknowledge the winning teams efforts and says scUM lost the game as opposed to the victorious team winning it. Now before anyone says he expects to win, or he is a coach what do you expect him to say, get the point. At some point it becomes sour grapes. In yesterdays presser he said give "them a lot of credit but we did things to hurt us". Really? No shit? Is that why you lost and they won? That is as close as he comes to saying "props to SC they won the game" which never happens, no matter who beat them. And he then proceeds to say something about the reason why players come to scUM and about playing great scUM football. After losses, this all seems like sour grapes excuse making. Then trying to get those that will believe the loss is all a facade and just a minor, minor setback, to believe it. He said the same BS after the Alabama game which we all know scUM was just a play or two away from kicking total ass there too.... Man up say you lost to the better team you slobbering fool. Everyone outside of Ann Arbor knows you are a slightly above (58%) average coach and without Mattison you would be in huge trouble. This team is a lucky win at NW away from a 7-6 record. I love Urban for not only crediting the other team but telling it like it is when his team sucks. Instead of this blabbering spew, we are so very fortunate not to have to hear this rhetoric.
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I didn't hear his presser, but a few of the pressers I have heard seem to put the blame of their losses squarely on the players execution, and not on the scheme, coaching or his lack of game day involvement. I may be wrong, but it is just an impression I got from a few of the pressers I did hear. I know they had some injuries this year, like every team out there, but their failures this year seems to be from their lack of putting the talent they had in the best positions to win. EX. Denard and Gardner. One can only imagine how Meyer would have used Denard. Thank God Hoke and his band of coherts couldn't evaluate they talent they had!
I really want to know exactly what Hoke does besides recruit and, I assume, attempt his own "Man vs. Food" challenges in the greater AA metropolitan area.
All coaches do this. This would be what I hope Meyer would do....in fact does, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kIyc9eRvxw. Both Robinson and Gardner were pretty banged up and zero depth at QB after them, I would find it hard to put both of them on the field.
I heard Urban say a few times about coaching mistakes and possibly blowing up the scheme of a 3 quarterback offense. He was willing to look at everything to get his team to improve, not just better execution by the players.
As I am sure Hoke does the same. I have heard both of them, especially Mattison, talk about bad play calling and putting their players in bad spots. But at the end of the day, everything comes down to execution
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All losses, for the most, part are due to player execution. Which comes down to coaching. But I would love to hear him say they lost because the other team was better. He refuses. Other than "give the other team credit, BUT WE DID THIS that cost us the game" and usually doesn't mention the other team by name. Say they were the better team and you lost the game and leave it at that rather than what appears to be excuses.
Pure Michigan Man, deflect deflect deflect.
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
I couldn't care less what he says in the post game interviews as long as Ohio State keeps putting a hurting on their record!
No one's ever said he was a smart coach...I'll show you exhibit #1...see what you think...???
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Lol, I can totally see it!! Fred Flintstone??? Hahahahaha the resemblance is uncanny.......................
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
Bronto-Burgers will cause that type of problem...
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He's starting to annoy the crap out of me, not someone I'm learning to respect at all. He looks like he is in over his head...
he was just upset because he wanted the free coconut shrimp instead of the bloomin onion
This. The epitome of clever. You sir are a true genius...
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
I have to give props for this one as well. Most creative food related Hoke joke in a while.
I always hate that, they didn't beat us we beat ourselves mentality. Rarely, is there a game where both teams just played perfect football and one came out victorious because they just did everything a little better. In any game, a mistake or series of mistakes influences the outcome. it's the team that capitalizes on those mistakes that often comes out ahead.
Drives me nuts!
Brady's team this year beat themselves more than (insert masturbation joke here).
He is a defensive line coach. That is where his abilities end.
this is what you get when you hire the guy that begs for the job while everyone else you want says no. i will walk from san diego for that job. big whoop. its like picking a jack russell to be a guard dog because it has a bunch of energy and jumps around.
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Here, here! Great point!
That's also why Coach Urbs takes a broken, flawed 6-7 team and creates an undefeated season while Evil Fred Flinstone took a national Number 3 recruiting class and goes 8-5. You want an angry, hungry team, not an entitled, lame one refusing to accept reality.
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SHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Everyone be quiet!!!!! You don't want anyone in AA to catch on to the fact that they have a sucky coach and actually go out and hire a good coach do you? :)
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Any lack of acknowledgement that Alabama was, by far, the better team would be a joke. SCar was not a far and away better team. Michigan lost it more than SCar won it. Michigan had blown coverage at least 3 times which resulted in 14-21 points. The Special Teams coverage was awful from start to finish, and was pretty bad except for a blocked FG. They had there hands on the QB 3-4 times in the backfield on SCar's final drive but could never sack the QB. Coaching didn't help much either. Borges actually called a good game for once. Hoke is an idiot for calling the fake punt on 4th and 3 in the fourth quarter with the lead. That decision led directly to the Clowney Explosion which turned the game. Mattison got burned at least three times calling an All-Out blitz on 3rd and long.
NewsFlash: Hoke isn't an articulate speaker. He's not a PR guy. He hates the media. However, I don't think it should be expected of a coach to say that the other team was "The Better team" after a one-score game.
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I'm always confused that someone as reasonable as you is on the enemies blog. I respect you for it though.
That being said, I think that SC is a better team but UM got up for the game more. That might be why the game was so close. When SC is at their best they are extremely disruptive and one of the better teams in football (see Georgia game). If UM played their best it's possible they could have won, but if both teams played their best I still think SC takes it.
On another note, does anyone think that Steve Spurrier looks like Darrell Hammond from SNL? I'm always waiting for him to bust out a Clinton impression.
Michigan lost it more than South Carolina won it. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT! The other team has to take advantage of that blown coverage and all those mistakes, and that's what the better team usually does. They capitalize when the other team continues to screw up. How many times have we seen a QB overthrow a wide open receiver who got open because of blown coverage. Don't you give the QB credit for getting away from those "almost sacks?"
I'm sure South Carolina can point to plenty of mistakes on their end too which led to Michigan scores. I doubt every Michigan point came on perfectly executed plays on both sides of the ball where Michigan just did it better than South Carolina. Their points came on mistakes and blown coverage too.
Couldn't any loss be pinned on mistakes one team makes? I'm sure Florida fans are saying well if we didn't make all these mistakes Louisville wouldn't have won, but they did make all those mistakes and Louisville capitalized seemingly every time. Sorry to go on and on, but it drives me nuts, if you lose a game the other team beat you. It wasn't like South Carolina played flawless football and Michigan kept shooting themselves in the foot allowing the Gamecocks to hang around.
You hit it on the head. There is an amount of respect given in winning and losing. The great coaches give this respect and understand the concept if in nothing else the gamesmanship of the process. Some get it and some do not. Hoke doesn't get it. Any loss comes from a teams lack of execution, period. Both teams are able to make the exact same statement. For the losing coach to use this as an excuse, which Hoke does after every loss, is a sorry way to handle it.
I'll pick on you because you're an astute commenter, but logically it cannot necessarily be the case that team-X is better than team-Y on the mere fact that team-X won one game they played against each other. Thus, to suggest that South Carolina took sufficient advantage of Michigan's mistakes because they are the better team, merely begs the question.
Hypothetically, if two teams are evenly matched, one still has to win, and in the process will "make the plays that it took to win the game" and/or take greater advantage of the other team's mistakes, etc., but if they played 100 times, both sides would win +/- 50 games.
Personally, I saw Michigan and South Carolina as relatively evenly matched. I tend to evaluate a one game scenario based on how the respective teams looked in the trenches and the overall flow of the game. Sure, South Carolina's DL feasted at times. On the other hand, South Carolina was outrushed by like 140 to 80 yards and out first downed 24 to 17. SC was +1 in turnovers, had a 63-yd punt return TD, and gained more than half of their total offensive yards on four big plays. For all the Clowney expoits, if Michigan keeps their head in the game, they probably win. But if they had, I wouldn't have concluded that they were necessarily the better team.
I guess what I meant is the better team THAT DAY won. I also believe South Carolina was a better team in general just based on their schedule and what they were able to do. They obliterated a Georgia team that was poor clock management and about 6 yards from making the national title game and they went to Clemson and won.
Michigan's best win was Northwestern, and lost to 5 ranked teams. Granted, 4 of them were very good squads, but in general I think South Carolina's season and talent was better than that of Michigan. I was surprised the game was that close, but Vegas had them at 5.5 point underdog and it ended up at 5 so it finished just about how it was supposed to I guess.
My main point was, anyone can point to mistakes made in any game and say, they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. It's the guys who capitalize on the mistakes who usually win.
I agree that any team can make excuses.
Usually when one team is flat better than the other, though, and they get a punt return TD, are +1 TOs, and hit three long passes, they completely demolish the inferior team on the scoreboard.
It's looking like the SEC was not head-and-shoulders better than every other conference this year. Against a bad Big Ten, they had one impressive win, one unimpressive loss, and a 50/50-type game that easily could have gone the other way.
If anything is looking like an anomoly at this point, it's South Carolina's midseason demolition of UGA. After that high point, they lost at LSU and at Florida - two respectable losses - and escaped against a mediocre Tennessee team after Lattimore went down. They gutted it out from there, but we haven't seen a dominant South Carolina since early October.
Meanwhile, Michigan got to be pretty good with the combination of DR + Gardner and after giving that witch, Greg Mattison another full season to get his scrubs to overachieve.
Certainly, South Carolina with Lattimore is better than Michigan, but they sure didn't look much better two days ago. Not in the game I was watching.
Hail, I really respect your opinion. But, I don't respect your coach. Having been both on the winning side and the losing side in many contests as a coach I know that there is a certain amount of respect you have to give your opponent, particularly if you lose. And, from my experience, the more respect you give them, the more successful you are in your games. Brady strikes me as one who really does not respect his opponents. It comes out in subtle ways, like comments after games, or sideline behavior. Or referring to your biggest rival with the name of another school altogether. I know this is an attempt to emulate Woody's use of TTUN, but he really should have found another cute acronym instead of clomping on to OU's nickname. Woody at least had the respect to refer to them as THE Team Up North (no mistaking what school he was referring to) as opposed to A Team Up North which could have been any of a number of schools. Hoke's use of "Ohio" falls into that latter category and could refer to many schools in the state. I know that is a subtle distinction, but that is my point. It is a very fine line between being a successful coach and being an exceptional coach. I know, as well as you do, that the line between being an 8-5 team and a 10-3 or possibly an 11-2 team is extremely thin as well, but it is those subtle differences in coaching approach that make you 8-5. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of wins in Brady's future, particularly if he keeps recruiting the way he has for his first 2 classes. But, he still has to put it together and win those close games.
I get the feeling that much of his success in his first year was because many of his opponents did not respect UM football because of the problems RR had. Well, his first year alerted all the teams out there that you really need to respect UM if you want to come out on top on game day. If and when Brady learns that about his opponents is the day that the outcome of games like USC/UM will fall in your favor.
It looks like he's rubbing off of on the Michigan fans now.... SC was the better team. Gardner was able to get away with many jump balls. He has a lot of work to do on his throwing motion and you only have Gallon next year as a weapon..
Jump balls not so much. He threw some nice passes in that game. He tends to side arm it and over/under throw but the kid looks good to me. Their WR depth has to be a concern next year though.
3 up for grabs passes I really remember. Gallon went up and got one, one was picked, and the other incomplete. He did have a pretty bad day passing. He missed some very routine throws. Needs some work, but I'm happy to have him for the next year or two until Morris is ready (hopefully Morris will someday be ready for college ball).
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Hail, I thought Gardner played quite well against heavy pressure from South Carolina's nasty DL. I agree with you that Borges actually called a good game, using South Carolina's agressiveness and unblockable DL against them, which took some of the pressure off Garnder/Denard. Nevertheless, Garder made more than enough plays to win the game. Heck, if Denard had been able to cut better on that soupy grass turf, the Wolverines probably do even more damage offensively.
I blame their loss on particular Michigan players having multiple mental lapses, especially in the secondary. And, no, these lapses were not Mattison's fault. Mattison put them in good positions to make plays. No offense, but Mattison has taken marginally talented players and made them stout against the run and schematically tough to sustain long drives against. It's not his fault that Michigan's seconday blew coverages and that their punt defense gave up a return TD.
I don't think Hoke is an elite coach, let alone, a great coach, at this point. He has shown flashes of greatness and idiocy. I personally don't think that if the coach doesn't say that "the opponent is a better team and that's why we lost," it isn't disrespectful. Almost every coach will give their two cents "We didn't do this, we could've been better here, I made a stupid call, etc." only to follow up with "but you have to hand it to our opponent, because they did what they had to win. Victorious coaches go out of their way to say the opposite and it drives me nuts.
Reporter: "Coach, how do you feel after beating Purdue like a drum 44-13?"
Coach: "Well, things went our way today, BUT, you really have to hand it to Purdue. That's a GREAT team out there and a really talented bunch."
And surely you guys to watch the 2 or 3 press conferences leading up to a game like I do, where he praises the other team so much it's sickening. I'm confident that he respects the opposing coaches as much as any coach should. However, like I mentioned before, I think his poor media relations show very badly. Plus, he needs to find his own identity. I feel like he's trying to carry on the traditions of Bo and Lloyd too much.
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NW Buckeye, good points, as usual. To be fair, though, isn't the tendency of some coaches to focus exclusively - in postgame interviews - on what his team did wrong consistent with a mentality of, "we're only concerned with what we do, not the other guys. We're 85 guys toling together on a deserted island, for intents and purposes. No distractions, no worrying about what other teams are doing, or what writers are writing, or what talking heads are saying," etc.? If your team plays a good, mistake-free game, and they still lose to a gifted superior team, then maybe you turn your attention to that other team's achievements - because your team had completed the journey, so to speak. Until that time, though, maybe you're always inwardly focused on your own team's mistakes and areas of improvement?
Run, Most really successful coaches I have known heap more praise on their opponent after beating them in a game as opposed to losing to them. They are so competitive themselves that it is difficult to come out with any rational thoughts post game when they lose. Most of my observations about Hoke come from just watching him in his interviews before games, and, of course, there is that 'Ohio' thing - I think I made my thoughts clear on that in the above post. And, to be fair, I really should not make sweeping assumptions about his respect one way or the other. It's just that he rubs me the wrong way. And, I am not looking at this through scarlet colored glasses. I never cared for John Cooper as a HC. He is one that I would classify as a really good coach who just didn't "get it" at times. Much the same way I feel about Hoke, except Brady goes about it in a different direction. I am sure they are both great guys - heck I even met Cooper several times and he was always a pleasure to be around. I'm sure Brady is a heck of a guy and it would probably be awesome to go out to dinner with him. But, they are not in the same class of coaches like Saban (I really can't stand him, but the guy can coach), Carrol, Bo, etc. It could be, like Hail says, that Brady just comes off poorly in public speaking, but if that is the case, how is he able to land all the great recruits? Heck, he could be stonewalling us for that matter, but with the overall success he had this year, I think not (he basically had the same team he had last year when he had everyone thinking UM was back).
NW Buckeye, I know Hail has answered your question already and I agree, Brady has not proven himself as a great coach yet, but I believe he shows promise and shows the potential to get there. He definitely isn't the most articulate guy in front of the cameras, definitely not like what I like to call today's "CEO" style coaches, but I don't think he is disrespectful in his behavior, at least not intentionally.
I would like to ask, when you are a coach of the losing team, how much time are you supposed to spend talking about your opponent? I think it is well established if you are beat down, you make some comment like, " wow, team x played really well today and really whipped us", but in a close game, don't you just do a tip your cap type of statement and then move on to talk about your team? Also, isn't it acceptable to be able to look at this game where 44.6% of SCar's offense came on 3 plays (56, 70 yard passes, and a 64 yard run) and also include a punt return for a TD, and be able to talk about how this game was winnable for Michigan save a few mistakes?
I would like to look at this in a different scenario. I know Urban didn't lose any games this year, but in victory, wasn't it quite common for him to tip his cap in victory but then talk about all the mistakes his team made on the field and that they should have played better? I know it was a common theme of his that his team wasn't playing good enough and had a far way to go. Given that they won, couldn't this be taken as disrespectful by the losing team? Couldn't it be taken that he is saying that his team should have whooped the other team because they were inferior and the only reason it was close is because tOSU played sloppy? I'm not saying that is how it should be interpreted, just that it is another way that it could be.
In both scenarios, I think Hoke and Meyer are correct and fine with their statements. They are not paid to make another team feel good about themselves. They are the HC and leaders of their programs and are paid to focus on and improve their players and their teams. Coming out of a win or loss, I would be disappointed if they lost sight of that fact.
Blue, You are right on with your assessment about post game interviews. See my reply to Run for more on my feelings about Brady. With all that, you do notice that I wrote Brady will have many more wins in my original post. I think he is a good coach who has surrounded himself with great assistants. But, it is obvious he has a little ways to go. I know many of my Mich friends really thought he brought them all the way back from the RR years last year and they would be legitimate NC contenders this year. I just think he has more work to do. And, judging from his recruiting, he will have better tools in place for the future. But, will he be the Bo kind of HC or a Moeller or Bruce kind of HC (FWIW I loved having Bruce as HC even if he could not get past the 9 win seasons!)
As for Urban, I know his post game interviews after a loss will probably be short and contrite. The competitive spirit is quite alive in that man. Don't know how much praise he will dole out to teams who best OSU, but I am sure that he "gets it". And, I know he respects all of his opponents. (Brady most likely does too, but I'm not sure to what extent).
Was it blown coverages or poor scheming?
Spurrier's offense is designed so that the receivers adjust their routes on-the-fly, to a greater extent than most offenses, apart from the Air Raid.
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I know nothing about Spurrier's offenses. Blown coverage, letting the receiver get behind you, not being in the spot you're supposed to be, failing to cover a player streaking down the field. I don't care what it's called, it always has a bad result. Blame it on the coaches, the players, the player's talent or ability...doesn't make any difference. The object of defense is to not let your man be wide open. Michigan failed at least 3 times at this.
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This is the dumbest topic I can ever imagine. I believe he gave SC all the credit but lack of execution is in the end what lost it. That is always the case. Why would any coach suggest their team was inferior. We sound like a bunch of sour grapes guys...
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In order to give the OP's argument it's due, I would like to go back and review some Urban Meyer press conferences after an Ohio State loss. Oh wait....