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I know very little about this but I saw that Penn State does not have anything to do with this. No idea if this is true or what it means.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Wasn't trying to dispute the sanctions not allowed when they were agreed upon? If they are in fact disputed, does this then add the death penalty to the table.
It is not as crazy as it sounds. The only thing the Pennsylvania State Legislature cares about is the $60 million that PSU was fined. The state wants that money to stay in Pennsylvania.
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Not to mention the millions of dollars of revenue lost to university area small businesses, loss of TV money, and loss of credit status costing the university a boatload. Hurts the taxpayers and in-state students who had absolutely nothing to do with the scandal. Penn State the school suing the NCAA is ridiculous. The state of Pennsylvania suing the NCAA is understandable.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
This makes no sense. The NCAA is a voluntary organization. If you choose to be part of it, you're subject to pretty much anything it chooses to do. If you don't want to be subject to it, you can choose to leave. It also isn't even the only organization for college football- Penn State is free to move to the NAIA if it wishes. If it chooses to remain in the NCAA because the NCAA is more desirable and profitable, then it chooses to subject itself to whatever the NCAA chooses to do.
Again, penn state is not suing, the state is.
I get that, but they can't be separated like that- the state is only suffering damages because Penn State has chosen to be part of the NCAA.
Why did they wait so long? :/
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Who pays the bill?
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Great idea! Waste more tax dollars as a result of Jerry Sandusky's despicable actions with which put him behind bars for the rest of his natural life. The state of Pennsylvania is attempting to be very irresponsible IMO.
looks like they're going anti-trust and trying to get all the sanctions thrown out....
How does this work in regards to the university not challenging the sanctions? Did they ask the state to do it, so PSU can say their hands are clean? Is this going to be considered the University challenging the sanctions because it's a state school?
“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
See I thought the State was suing over where the 60 million was going (state versus nationally) which I can kinda understand. If they are suing to get rid of the sanctions entirely shows how the mentality that allowed this situation to occur is also in the State's Government in my opinion.
“There are some people addicted to alcohol, some people are addicted to gambling,” Luginbill said. “Urban Meyer is addicted to football, and he’s addicted to winning.”
I still don't see how they can sue on anti-trust guidelines, I'm not a lawyer but since the NCAA is a voluntary organization (as you don't have to be a a part of it) how can you sue on anti trust (given what I know about anti trust from my business degree, haha)? If they let this case happen, then the NFL, NBA, and all the others could be open to anti trust lawsuits as well, at least I would think?
Those organizations have anti-trust exemptions, which I don't think apply (correct me if I'm wrong please) to the NCAA because it is a non-profit. I'd be interested from a layman's perspective to see what precedents the state will cite in order to prove their case. And at the very least, any kind of bloody nose the NCAA takes is something I will fully enjoy.
Thought you may find this interesting:
Gives key points of the case.
Not ridiculous at all - as a state institution, Penn State is ultimately beholden to the State of Pennsylvania, the legislators, voters, etc. So, given the historic, and as Corbett put it "illegal" overreach of the NCAA in this case, it absolutely makes sense for the State to get involved.
Raiding the Penn State coffers for $60 million, Emmert & Co. almost dared the legislature to get involved - if they, or in this case the Governor, had not, one might accuse them of being fiscally negligent (not that we should assume the $60 million would have come from state/tax revenues, because as we know large athletic budgets at schools like Ohio State and Penn State generally come from athletic department revenues).
Regardless of your feelings on the Sandusky case, the NCAA likely bit off more than it should have in this situation, and as one who respects the philosophy that "he who governs best, governs least," the State of Pennsylvania is right in working to protect its own self-interests here.
All of the people "responsible" for the Sandusky abuse and cover up are fired, in jail, deceaced, or all three. The punishment for PSU was way over the top. I think the state is right to persue this, now that all of the dust has settled.
Have to say I disagree, I think (again this is a opinion so please don't downvote me for it) that the NCAA should have done more. I think the NCAA should hold member institutions and their programs responsible for misconduct IF it involves a sports program (ie. football in this case). As much as I despise the NCAA (obviously for what they did because of Tat-Gate) I actually thought their penalties for Penn State were very fair for the crime committed. What I'm saying is IF this hadn't involved coaches/adminstrators the NCAA has no business getting involved, however, since it did and the "worship" of football led to them covering it up they should be held accountable by the NCAA. Honestly, if this had happened at tOSU, I would have wanted and expected us to be sanctioned. No program should be bigger than protecting kids from predator adults, AND if the potential destruction of said program is used as a reason to cover up (imagine what would have had happened if this would have went public back in Joe Pa's glory days, the media would have had a field day) acts of coaches, players, and adminstrators then the NCAA should hold them accountable.
Again, just a opinion.....
How dare you!!! LOL...
I don't disagree, I only think that maybe time has given some perspective. I agree that PSU needed some penalties, severe penalties. I feel that a 4yr bowl ban and scholarship reductions is way overboard. 2yrs would have been strong.
Also, maybe I have my big10 dander up, but, there is no way the ncaa would hand down this punishment to a big time SEC team or ND. And.... if this had happened at tOSU, i think we would have fought it.
Overall, I agree though, no man is bigger than any program or school. We learned that upclose last yr. After 2004 PSU had their chance to get rid of JoePA. He fought like hell to stay there, and it ended up destroying his reputation.
I agree with what you said, Alabama or Notre Dame no way they sanction them as much...just going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
I think part of the lawsuit may be because the NCAA is confusing it's powers with that of the federal government. the bowl bans and schollie reduction is perfectly fine but the issue comes when they levy the $60M fine against the institution, so they can actually be viewed as trying to fine the state of Pennsylvania that money as PSU is a state institution and receives the majority of its budget to operate as such from the state. telling the school, " you can't go to the gator bowl for the next 4 years" is fine, but telling the State of Pennsylvania, "your state college allowed acts of gross negligence and pedophilia to happen on campus so now you must pay me $60M" sounds more like extortion/idiocy, that's a power only the Feds have by way of their funding to ALL schools not a collective group like the NCAA.
"The only meaningful statistic is number of games won."~ Woody Hayes
as if Penn State isn't behind this, and it's "just" the state, and has "nothing to do with PSU"....that's what they want everybody to believe
this is BS ... they want to try to prevent B.O'B. from going to the NFL, that's part of this
to me - I still don't think they've learned their lesson. They want business as usual. They still played last Fall. Oh, but I almost forgot - they wore stupid ribbons on their uniforms. Big deal. Who gives a sh*t. I bet those kids who raped didn't care about the ribbons...the university still had that mediocre team out there playing. THAT's what is most important to them after all - that football program. Looks like business as usual to me.
I'm with the o.p. - wish they would've received the death penalty from the NC2A
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