I was surfing the web and come across a link of top recruiting classes on ESPN. It shows Texas A & M having 34 committed players already, and Georgia having 30. How is this possible? I thought that new rules were put in place to prevent this. I know that there are a few loopholes with early signing, but 34 with more to come possibly? Just wondering if anybody has any insight as to how they are continually able to "bend the rules".
Don't know how to post the chart, but here is the link:
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classranki...
ive read A&M will have 9 early enrolees giving there recruiting numbers for this year's class at 25. and 2 possibly wont make grades. which would bring it down to 32 total. someone can feel free to correct me.
hope that helps a bit
Yeah it's an early enrolle issue, it's been discussed elsewhere on this site but I forget where
Don't know about TAMU but UGA will sign 34 or 35 next month. That is possible because Georgia had 68 scholarship players when the 2012 season started. Last year UGA signed 18 – 3 of those were able to count back to the previous class. Thus Georgia had 15 initial-counters in 2012.
This year Georgia will sign 25 2013 initial-counters plus 9 or10 early enrollees who will count back to 2012. There is still question about the number of players that can count back because of a 2012 signee who was a non-qualifier and went to Hargrave. If he makes it as an EE then 10 can count back but if he joins the team after spring semester the limit is 9. In the latter case he will in effect count against both the 2012 and 2013 classes.
Just to be clear – UGA does not oversign and never has. Georgia does not cut players to make room for new signees.
There is nothing sinister about the practice of counting back. In order for a player to be counted in a previous class 3 things must happen: 1. the player must be in early enrollee 2. The previous class must have had less than 25 initial-counters. 3. The 85 scholarship limit must not be exceeded.
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I'm pretty sure the SEC has not adopted over signing restrictions like other leagues and AM seems to be just following the Bama and LSU model, that said not all of the teams in the SEC over sign. Marc Richt is one coach who hasn't done this to my knowledge, at least recently since over signing became a big issue. Having several friends who are UGA fans I know that there class this year is just big because of space, players leaving, transfers etc...
I thought you were limited to 25 a year though? If you put them with a different class, do they lose any eligibility?
The magic of early enrollee math, and I am pretty sure the SEC now has a 28 signee limit.
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There was a Buckshot on this a week or so ago (linked).
Thanks! Must have missed that one!
I want someone to ask Emmert about this in an interview, not like an piddly non-televised interview....I mean a live prime time interview....I don't know what mountaintop we need to be shouting from but this is simply unfair.
"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."
Seriously, this isnt just an extra guy or two, this is hovering around 40% more recruits....how is the media not all over this hog wash?!?!
"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."
Because by literally have room. Over signing inferres hey hav to make room, which they don't.
They have a lot of open spots because of poor recruiting numbers in the past, kids leaving, etc. in this case for A&M they are not pulling an SEC oversigning game. They simply did a poor job in the past and now have some much room and recent success to draw players in. Makeup class...
I wish the Bucks could talk a couple more guys into enrolling early so we don't have to turn anybody away.
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That isn't our issue, our issue is the 82 limit, so we would still have to get rid of players currently on the roster which is what the whole premise of oversigning is.
Explain the early enrollees... Do they not count against a recruiting class? If that's the case we have 4 enrolling early I believe. Doesn't this mean we should be able to go after a few extra kids?
I believe early enrollees can be counted in the previous class total so they dont affect the current year's class at all.
But OSU is firmly held to the 82 scholarship limit. TAMU just had a very poor recruiting year last year and are counting all nine early enrollees in last year's limit.
Yes, early enrollees count toward the previous year's class, and the previous year's early enrollees count towards the year prior to that, and so on and so forth.
The SEC number is actually 25 per class (I was wrong about the 28), but you can see how that math gets confusing with the early enrollee situation.
TAMU had 19 in 2012, with some early enrollees most likely that applied to the 2011 class of 22. So there is automatically enough room for 31 even before you consider early enrollees in 2012, transfers, grade issues, etc.
Bottom line is the roster has to be at 85 by August. My major problem with oversigning has been when you look at the numbers over a 4-5 year period. The schools that mostly sign players who stay at school, qualify grade-wise, actually take some care in how many players are signed have numbers around 85-100 compared to other schools that sign anyone and have numbers around 115-130. That's total bs. That is an entire extra recruiting class every 4-5 years and that is a significant advantage.
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The B1G doesnt allow anymore than 25 in one class period. Sec allows early enrolls to not be counted in class.
I think the B1G allows for 3 (maybe more) early enrolles to be backfilled. A couple weeks ago the recruiting sites said Michigan may have room for 28 in this class. If it's to fill spots due to natural attrition, it's perfectly fine.
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Georgia has 10 early enrolees this year and had 19 total recruits last year so thats where they make up for the bigger class in 2013.
It's kind of ironic, I suppose, but rules against oversigning are [partially] in place to protect the recruits, but the universities, themselves, are still susceptible until the LOI is signed.
To clarify, a kid can be verbally committed for months (years even) and then flip on signing day. My issue with oversigning is not any advantage the school gains, but lies with a kid who shuts down all recruiting once he has committed to a school, only for that coach to pull his scholly or force the kid out. By that time, the player's B, C, and D choices may be full and a kid with major conference talent could be stuck playing in the MAC.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler