Urban with a few brief comments today. Nothing earth-shattering, but it got me to thinking that as Tebow's NFL career seems to be winding down, what are the odds that he ends up at OSU as a GA and/or eventually an assistant coach? Meyer speaks with him every week, which makes it seem plausible that he would ask Tebow to join the staff at some point in the future.
Tebow has said that he is somewhat of a Buckeyes fan now. Would OSU fans accept him? I would, but I'm wondering about y'all.
I've joked since the Urban rumours started during the 2011 season that Tebow would someday become the OSU linebackers coach.
Now special teams coach seems more likely.
I'd accept him, just as long as they keep him away from the quarterbacks.
"We're talking a minimum eight-peat."
He won't have time to coach with his Presidential duties.
I live in Tebow Town (Jacksonville) and I am 100% certain if he ever did come to OSU he would not be able to come back home EVER!
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
Somehow, not being able to go back to Jacksonville doesn't seem like much of a threat.
Yep. Apparently the Jaguars coach is as stupid as the Jets coach and 2 successive Bronocs coaches
Are you crazy? Id be fine with him coaching the QBs in Urbans system. He's arguably the greatest college QB ever.
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
Negative, Bucko. This guy is!
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
1,000 points for the downvote! Thanks!
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
I wouldn't be bothered by Tebow on staff but would prefer Troy Smith.
While I realize that Tebow is (inexplicably) one of the most polarizing sports figures in recent history, imagine the recruiting cache this guy would bring to the table... Plus the motivational locker room attitude... There's definitely a fit for that (but I think he makes WAY more money out on the lecture circuit or as an analyst or both - Holtz pulls down >$40k/speech).
I can verify that is true Andy. Crazy, but true. For an hour of spitting on a microphone.
Actually he gives a pretty good speech.
vacuuming sucks
Always wanted to see Holtz out on the stump, 'cause I'll admit (oh lord, here come the downvotes), I'm kind of a fan...
I'll confess, I like Lou Holtz too! It helps that he's a fan of Ohio State other than when he's playing them but I do like him and I enjoy his sense of humor. I don't like Mark May but I also understand that their combined relationship makes for a good show! It always cracks me up when Holtz tells May what an idiot he is...LOL I imagine that the relationship is a lot different than what we see on tv and they are really good friends.
Just imagine Tebow and Vrabel knocking skulls in the locker room trying to out pump up each other. So much adrenaline. Veins would be popped.
That is funny right there. Thank you for that Bra.
He would be a GREAT coach, in my opinion. I believe his positive mental attitude, leadership skills, hard work ethic and discipline would rub off on the players...even if he was just the strength & conditioning coach. He has a great energy about him...it seems contagious. Consumate winner too.
Agreed. He could make $10M+ a year as the face of a Christian ministry, author, speaker, or even a pastor. But he could also be a great coach. It's silly to think that because he sucks in the NFL, that he doesn't know how to teach others how to play QB. Urban was a mediocre college db and a failed pro baseball player. But he still ended up an amazing coach and teacher at positions like QB despite never being a great player himself.
im completely on board with anything that has to do with tebow being a part of osu.
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Bring her in, and he will follow
vacuuming sucks
Yes, please.
if given the opportunity, I would as well.
...wait this isn't the confession thread.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Are we sure she is real? That could be a photoshopped Te'oing picture!
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
Goodness....she's got a nice....dress on.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
She has a very nice smile.....I'd trust her.
BKSHEPHERD, you have an appropriate avatar for this specific situation.
Damn it iPhone, didn't mean to downvote ya buddy, quite the opposite as I almost spit out my coffee.
Urban Warfare
Tebow may be the only man alive that could keep his eyes focused on the camera in that picture..lol
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
WHAT A TERRIBLE PIC OF ME! I SHOULDN'T HAVE PICKED THAT DRESS! DAMN THE INTERNET!
ok. I'm 51 and dreaming. Good for Tebow his eyes are forward in the pic.
What would Jesus think of fake ta-tas?
She sure has a lot of...personality
Agree that he is in the running for greatest college player (I'd put him 3rd behind Earl Campbell and Barry Sanders)
But .... he ruined Denver and then he ruined the Jets
Wtf...ruined Denver and the Jets? Back up those crazy statements, as in HOW?!
Who won more playoff games for Denver the past two years...Tebow or Manning?
The Jets were a mess from the GM on down to the coaches, injuries, O-Line, etc. Tebow barely played. Crazy statement.
The 2012 12-4 Broncos went 2 overtimes deeper into the playoffs than the 8-8 Tebow Broncos.
Dumb ass coach after dumb ass coach just don't know seem to know what every else knows about Tebow.
So, how did he ruin those teams?
GoldenBear you are nutso
interesting how you leave out those 8-8 Broncos started 1-4
WITHOUT Tebow
Interesting how folks fail to mention what the guys who practice with and evaluate him think of his abilities, and how the Tebow fans fail to mention his statistics.
Not one team out of 32 will take him. Stupid and savvy NFL executives agree -- he is not NFL material. His home town team doesn't want him, teams that won 3 and 4 games don't want him, his teammates don't like him and none of his NFL coaches like him.
Not sure why no one ever mentions this.
I don't see anyone on here saying Tim Tebow is Joe Montana 2.0 and would win 4 Super Bowls if given the chance. You said Tebow "ruined" Denver and NYJ, which is silly.
"His home town team doesn't want him"
no, his hometown GM doesn't want him.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
No GM wants him
No WR or TE wants him
No one who has ever seen him play in the NFL wants him.
Actually in the beginning it was Tebow who didnt want his home team. He had the chance between the Jags and the Jets and he went with the Jets. So Jax got duped before Timmy did.
You could say the same thing about Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Clarkson.
Would you say they wouldnt be quality QB coaches?
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
Keep up the good fight goldenbearbuckeye because your statement is true as it gets...I could care less if he comes to OSU but imo he wouldn't add much in the way of coaching it would be more motivational speaches and media fluff stories...come to think of it i dont want him to mess with MY OSU enjoyment. asst. the gators, play CFL UFL, get on the speaking curcuit, or get a job with ESPN because they love you, but leave the Bucks alone...just my thoughts and as always Go Bucks....
How did he ruin Denver and the Jets? That's a foolish take on things.
He helped the Broncos make the playoffs and they beat the Steelers in overtime with a pass he threw. And as far as the Jets go, it's their owner and coach's dumb fault for him even being in New York. He hardly played.
Did you see the Pittsburgh game?
Thinking that Tebow's performance was within a mile of mediocre is beyond foolish
Did he ruin them? NO
This is what ruined the Jets:
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Hard to argue with video evidence.
I will tell you that 20 of Tebow's pass attempts as a Bronco might compete with the Trojan's ineptitude. He was simply THE worst NFL quarterback to ever suit up. McElroy starting for the Jets was no brain fart
Tebow wasn't brought to New York to be their back-up. He was brought there as a publicity stunt by an idiot owner and an equally stupid coach. How that is Tebow's fault is beyond me.
Agree on why the Jets got him.
Is it Tebow's "fault" that he polarized both teams and both cities he played for? I guess that's a matter for individual determination. My personal preference is to worship privately. I think it cheapens religion to wear it on a sleeve, but as shown by the quick downvotes from the Tebow fans, not everyone agrees
I'm not even a Tebow fan, but you saying he "ruined" both the Broncos and the Jets is complete nonsense.
Whatever.
That's why the Broncos were giving away $100 Target gift certificates for whoever took him first. They were ECSTATIC when he left and the possibility of getting Manning had not arisen at that point. They were giddy that Brady Quinn or Brock Ostweiler would be the QB, and regarded Tebow as unqualified and troublesome.
Golden - you just sound like a bitter hater now. Dunno if its because TT is a Christian or what it is...but you're ovreplaying it at this point.
Maybe a bit, but I live in Denver and the feeling (as reported!) in the front office was as reported.
Instead of questioning my potential bias against TT's BRAND of Christianity, maybe the focus should be on those who think he is an NFL QB --- Bias anyone?????
Ah, so now we get to the actual crux of why you don't like Tebow: he's an avowed Christian and unashamed of his relgion. While I agree that the louder one is about their religion the more skeptical I typically am of their actual piety, I think much of the "legend of Saint Tebow" falls at the feet of a media machine that overhyped him as a collegian and sought to destroy him as a professional
This comment alone does not earn you a downvote in my book, but it does throw cold water on every single one of your otherwise merit-based arguments. Tebow did not "ruin" the Broncos, and he sure as hell didn't ruin the trainwreck known as the New York Jets.
Why does my revulsion with televangelism throw water on the fact that he is the worst passer to ever play a down in the national football league.
Up above you said it was inexplicable that he polarized the teams that he played for. Sounds as though the explanation has come to you, and that it is actually the media. The media does stink, but Tebow jumped at making his commercials as fast as Manti Te'o jumped at his "candid" interviews.
The American media is tailor made for televangelism and Tebow and Te'o are just modern day equivalents of Tammy Baker and Jimmy Swaggart
It's very simple why your religion-based hatred of Tebow shoots your credibility all to hell: it's a crap excuse to say a player ruined a team, period. You were making sound arguments about his mechanics, stats, blah blah blah, and then you showed your true colors: "I don't like Tim Tebow because he's an unashamed evangelical Christian." That is not a thoughtful analysis of a player, but the hallmark of a bigot.
I don't know you, I don't know your religion, so it could be simply that prefer someone to keep their religion quiet, and that's fine - I'm not big on beating my chest about my faith and trying to convince everyone I'm three steps removed from the Lord above, but again, your comparison of Tebow to the Bakers is poor rhetoric. There is no comparison.
What did Tebow do to be labeled a super zealot?
Uh, that sounds like an unhinged religious fanatic if ever I heard of one. First off, the "Tebowing" thing is a pure construct of the media. How many of our own Buckeyes make a gesture to the heavens or kneel in prayer after a TD? SEVERAL, I'VE SEEN THEM DO IT.
Writing John 3:16 on your eyeblack and not drinking and screwing like the average NFL or NBA star does not a zealot make. The media could not believe the Heisman Trophy and 2x National Championship QB wasn't out there banging every coed he could find, so they labeled him as a religious curiosity, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Truth is, Tebow is a good guy, like a lot of good guys - we've just been fed a steady stream of media narrative about him since his sophomore year at Florida, and most good guys don't get that kind of attention.
It's bad policy to put your own words in quote and attribute them to me. They call them quotation marks for a reason.
My bias started when we watched the piece they did on him when he was still in high school. He was an obnoxious bully to his high school teammates; an in-your-face rah rah MO-Ron. The Jesus piece of that show was very minor, and the only reason it had any impact on me was the stark contrast between his quiet voice demeanor on the interview and his jackassery on the field.
He hasn't interposed himself in the religious culture wars of our times? Are you saying you haven't seen his commercials or are you hoping other readers will not bother to critically assess your assertion? And his eye black wasn't meant to vault his politics/religion/self into the spotlight??
How does the media know he isn't banging anyone??
HE TOLD THEM
Don't blame the media for using him, he uses the media.
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Wow. Those downvotes weren't very Christian.
What would Tim Tebow have done?
And more importantly, what would the even more devout Manti Te'o have done?
Okay I get that you don't think he's an NFL QB, and that's fine. I think his skillset could be used in some capacity, but I'm not willing to say the guy is some great QB or anything.
But I'm still waiting to hear how he "ruined" the Broncos and the Jets, cause you have still yet to prove anything regarding that comment.
Couldn't truly "prove" my assertion, but he was hated in the Broncos locker room and the front office felt he was undermining the team for his own gain by whipping up his fan base which is highly correlated with the fundamentalist movement. This is as close to "fact" as you'll get in Denver - it was in the Denver Post and it has been on our sports radio hundreds of times over the past 2 years.
The Jets comment was, in hindsight, just piling on a shit team that has a qb I root against as hard as I do Tebow
John Elway didn't want Tebow on the team from the time he got there because he's as single-track minded about what a passer should "look like" as apparently you are. Elway's distaste and disdain for Tebow as a passer was well-known before he became the starting quarterback.
It sounds like you were in the locker room and I wasn't, so I'll leave his teammates' alleged hatred of him alone, but the suggestion that he was whipping up the fanbase because he's some radical fundamentalist religious wackdoodle is almost ludicrous on its face - he was one of, if not the, most recognizable faces of the team... Kind of important to get your fans behind the team if you want a franchise to be successful.
And there is ZERO comparison between Te'o and Tebow aside from the three letters in their names and a bi-polar media hell-bent on writing their own narrative about a popular player.
Sounds like you have an explanation for everything, and when you don't you post innuendo opposite of what has been established.
"You were in the locker room"? No, the beat writers for the Denver Post and sports radio guys were.
It's "alleged" that he was hated in the locker room. Yes, by multiple sources over multiple years all OVER the Denver media, by those mean media people.
Why waste our time postulating and speculating why the Broncos wouldn't want that recognizable, "face of the franchise" and fluffing it with overblown phrases like ludicrous.
ARE YOU BLIND???
THE BRONCOS TRADED HIM.
FOR NOTHING.
All the parsing and logic exercises, and backtracking cannot change this fact.
I would find it funny to watch "GoldenBear" tackle Tebow.
hahahaha
Let me see John Elway HOF QB doesn't want you, hometown team, wait; Sorrry Hometown team with horrible QB's and even worse problems at the gate (they rarely have sell outs) doesent want you, none of the 32 teams or CFL teams are breaking down his door and folks that have problems with his media driven persona are wrong, satan worshipers lol, or dont love the USA lol...Ease back a little Andyvance and really look at things for what they are..
Tebow was a great college RB lol, below Avg QB nfl qb, got credit from media for doing thing i've seen dozens of other NFL player's do (IE: get on their knee's or knee and praise whoever they worship after a TD), and was brought to NY where he was third string because the coaches were shocked at how bad he was...With all that being said he'd might be a great coach lol, Urb should reach out and give him his start at a new job title, because the old one has seemed to run it's course...as always Go Bucks..
Care to explain this statement?
Let's see, cheerleaders try to whip up their fan bases; does that mean that cheerleading is a fundamentalist activity?
I'm guessing that you mean only a certain type of "whipping up," i.e. exuberant, emotionally-charged religious sermonizing designed to "whip up" religious zeal, or something like that? Thus, religious whipping up is correlated with religious fundamentalism? Except Tebow was never engaged in that type of "whipping up" of Denver fans, so that brings us back to: Why is cheerleading-style "whipping up" correlated with fundamentalism?
Or, do you mean to suggest that any time someone who is openly fundamentalist engages in any type of "whipping up" regardless of whether the intent/context is religious sermonizing, sports cheerleading, or something else, it all becomes one means or another to engage in religious sermonizing - i.e. the "whipping up" is tainted by association? I.e, "You can pretend that you're merely trying to rally the team, but we know that you fundamentalists only really whip up people for one reason . . ."?
Or, conversely, we might note that some preachers associated with Evangelical movements take a rationalist, not especially emotional approach to their theology and/or sermons? Does that mean you do not define them as fundamentalists because they don't whip up their congregations? I'm guessing that you call them "fundamentalists," too.
Doesn't matter what I think, or how I classify.
The Broncos couldn't get Tebow out of town fast enough .... traded him for nothing.
Cheerleaders do their thing on Sundays. As bad as Tebow played on Sundays, I'm guessing that it was what he did on Monday-Saturday that made him the most unwanted thing in Denver since the HongKong flu.
Goldenbear: so it sounds like you're backing away from your "whipping up" correlated with fundamentalism statement, which is probably a good thing (as I'm still not getting what you meant).
As for the other point, all I know is that you keep repeating unsupported third hand assertions of a purely subjective claim: you claim to have read some second-hand rumors supposedly dispelled by reporters, but provide no links to these second-hand rumors. Obviously, the rumors possibly repeated by these reporters' are only second-hand in themselves (passed along from the supposed Tebow haters inside the organization), which weren't necessarily that conclusive, anyway.
How do we know if Tebow was one of the most "hated inside the Broncos lockerroom"? Is it enough evidence to conclude such a thing if reporters heard from 10 Bronco insiders (out of the 70, 80, 90-odd people in the organization)? It's likely that everyone within the Broncos organization is hated by at least a few other persons inside the organization - c'est la vie - and maybe being hated by only 10 of them is a relatively low number. For reporters to have proven - if that's indeed what they're claimining - that Tebow was one of the most hated persons in the lockerroom, you/they have a very long ways to go still, pardner. Until then, maybe don't keep stating it as if it's a fact, if you want to promote reasonable debate.
Here's the first page of search results from a google search for Tebow & locker room.
Looks to me like you have no desire for reasonable debate. Why don't you run a search for Broncos & lockerroom??? Think you'll get 1 MILLION HITS?????
If you run the search I'd be happy to have a reasonable debate. Otherwise, there's no point to try to sway the prejudiced.
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Jets Locker Room Ripping Tim Tebow More Proof Team Is NFL's ...
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NFL News: Tim Tebow Named in Latest NY Jets' Locker Room Fiasco
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Nov 15, 2012 – Since the New York Jets hired Rex Ryan as head football coach, the locker room of stunning Met Life Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ has ...
Tim Tebow's Lack of Respect in Jets Locker Room an Indictment of ...
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Nov 17, 2012 – There are plenty of scapegoats in the latest episode of the Tim Tebow saga in the Big Apple, but the true culprit isn't who you would expect...
Rex Ryan rips team for Tebow report - ESPN.com
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Nov 15, 2012 – If Rex Ryan turns to Tim Tebow at quarterback over Mark Sanchez, he'll lose the Jets' locker room, writes Rich Cimini. Story. No one responded ...
Teammates' anonymous ripping of Tim Tebow proves Jets' locker ...
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Nov 14, 2012 – Teammates' anonymous ripping of Tim Tebow proves Jets' locker room chemistry is not solid. Conor Orr/The Star-Ledger By Conor Orr/The ...
NY Jet teammates rip backup Tim Tebow, believe 'terrible ...
www.nydailynews.com/.../tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1...
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Nov 14, 2012 – The 3-6 Jets' dwindling playoff chances haven't changed this mind-set in the locker room: Tebow isn't a panacea. Despite Mark Sanchez's ...
Who's sending Tebow 'special' locker room gifts? (PHOTO)
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Nov 21, 2012 – While an anonymous teammate may think he's 'terrible,' one of Tim Tebow's legion of fans wants the New York Jets backup quarterback to ...
Tim Tebow - GQ September 2012 Cover Story: Profiles: GQ
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The Jets PR staff handles today's Sanchez-Tebow locker-room theatrics with perfect synchronicity. The two QBs do not overlap. Moments after Sanchez heads ...
Tim Tebow, Broncos Locker Room Celebration After Beating ...
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Jan 8, 2012 – A few days before the Denver Broncos hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers in an AFC Wild Card playoff game, Broncos V.P. of football operations ...
Tim Tebow Takes High Road After Jets' Locker Room Sniping; Rex ...
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Nov 15, 2012 – "I can control my attitude, my effort and my work ethic," said Tebow. "Those are things that will never change based on what anybody says."
Searches related to tebow locker room
This time the team has turned on new arrival Tim Tebow. With fans and the media clamoring for Tebow to start at quarterback for the floundering Jets, the claws have come out, with Manish Mehta of The New York Daily News reporting that one Jets player called Tebow "terrible" while another said "nobody" on the Jets wants him to start, another saying "we can't win running that Wildcat ****" and left guard Matt Slauson dismissing Tebow as a quarterback altogether.
And I edited here to save you the trouble: 1,270,000 hits for Broncos hate Tebow.
Sorry I alleged the unallegible along with 1,270,000 of my hater friends. Spare me on the failure to prove the hard feelings of the public and his teammates.
Get
A
Life
Hard to outpoll the American flag and Jesus.
Upvotes for you from the unwashed??
GoldenBear: now you're trying to dump a bunch of garbage, garbage, and more garbage on my lawn and tell me to clean it up - thanks!
None of your links work.
Several are from Bleacher Report.
Even with no workable links to follow, I was still able to surmise that most of your links don't even purport to show what you claim to be true - that Tebow is hated in lockerrooms. If some players thought that Tebow is a bad player, that does not mean Tebow was a bad person or teammate. They probably thought Sanchez sucked, too, as well as a bunch of other marginal players in the lockerroom. The Jets were a miserable failure with plenty of suckiness and acrimony to go around.
What did Tebow actually do to any of his teammates in Denver or NY that was bad? Specifically, in what manner did he act like a bad teammate?
I'm am curious, though, how am I exhibiting prejudice by asking you to support your claims? What I am a prejudiced against? Poorly supported claims? And I'm being unreasonable in asking you to support your statements, without simply dumping some garbage? Give me an actual argument supporting the claim that Tebow is hated in lockerrooms, a lockerroom cancer, etc.?
I gave you 1.27 million reasons and an independent means of verification for you or anyone with an internet connection.
You can keep up the sophistry that there wasn't a formal ballot with each member required to register a yeah or a nay, or you can put your hands over your ears and sing "I can't hear you", or have ignoramuses waving American flags taking pot shots at me (and calling ME biased!!!) to redirect the conversation, but your google registers 1.2 million hits for "broncos hate Tebow", though I suppose with my last 2 posts it would register 1,270,002 hits.
Okay, because you are not good at Google and/or linking, I'll help:
The first three stories in your search (of which I only saw 713,000 hits, but hey, who's counting) were B/R columnists opining on the same New York Post story which clamed a dozen anonymous Jets players had criticisms varying from "he's the wildcat guy" to the more damning "he's a terrible quarterbarck."
The gist of the Post story? The dysfunctional jets backed their starter Mark Sanchez. Whoopty-do. The Jets suck at football, and were helmed by a coach who created perhaps the most dysfuncional team in the league (which is saying something). The next three or four stories were CBS and ESPN pieces pointing out that Tebow took the high road ('cause he's like that), Ryan said the anonymous players were cowards for ripping on Tebow, and lastly, that the Jets suck at football.
I stopped after that sixth page of hits, because more or less every single link related to that single story, in which a group of unnamed yet disgruntled players through their second-string QB under the bus because he gets more media attention than they do.
Oh, now I get it - mediocre football players don't like Tim Tebow because he's on ESPN every third day... I must completely reevaluate my feelings toward him because a bunch of guys who couldn't find the playoffs with a six-game head start allegedly dislike him. I've been wrong all along.
As it turns out, of the links I did find that weren't rehashing the Post story, I found this gem from the Washington Times recounting all the actually identified former Tebow teammates who said he was a great guy, and a strong leader, this piece from the Colorado Springs Gazette with several Broncos teammates, including Champ Bailey, saying they don't understand why people dislike Tebow because he's "the real deal," and finally this piece from Newsday describing how, back in July of 2012, Tebow's Jets teammates were giving him high praise and encouragement.
Now considering the curious case of the Denver Broncos, it seems that Tebow was, in addition to being popular with other players, was very popular with the fans, as this Chicago Sun-Times piece suggests:
Here's a great take from the Bristol Mothership on your critique of Tebow as the anti-prototypical pocket passer from the height of the Denver quarterback controversy:
While you've asserted repeatedly that the Broncos players hated Tebow, when they were losing, this story from ESPN suggests they were ready for Orton to be tossed so Tebow (or Quinn) could step up.
Okay, here's the bottom line: your argument that his teammates hated him in Denver is crap, and while a gang of Jets apparently didn't like him, the Jets have much bigger problems than Tim Tebow. You dislike him because he loves Jesus, that's fine. Urban Meyer thinks he's a helluva guy, and that's good enough for me.
You didn't tell the other readers that there were over 50 articles in those first pages explaining why people hate Tebow.
Here's a few in those first few pages:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000104880/article/tim-tebow-ripped-by-unnamed-denver-broncos-player
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/what-have-they-got-against-tim-tebow-now/
http://www.christculturenews.com/tim-tebow-saddened-by-new-york-jets-teammates/
Did you expect everyone to believe you that there aren't NORTH OF 1 MILLION STORIES on how Tebow is hated.
Really???
Boooo
Another flag waving patriot heard from, in his typically articulate fashion.
I'm finally going to heed the advice of Mark Twain (I think) who gave this sage wisdom on discussions with folks as set in their ill-advised predjudices as thee: Never argue with a pig; it frustrates you and annoys the pig.
Good day, sir.
AndyVance: very nice demolition of GoldenBear's "argument." He's still trying to link to articles that mention some Jets players think he's not a good QB.
If claiming that someone sucks at something is another way of saying that you hate them as a person, that means that after seeing GoldenBear argue, I must hate him.
I don't think Golden can parce the difference between not wanting him start as a QB and actually hating Tebow for being bad in the locker room. Mostly because of his blind irrational hate fo a guy who has given no person a single reason to hate him.
If you are going to use sophisticated words, use them correctly and spell them correctly. You cannot parce anything and you can't parse a difference.
It is your opinion that no one has reason to hate Tebow. Yet, millions of hits come up when one googles "hate Tebow". Looks like you got some parsing to do to splain the millions of hate hits (like your friend above tried to do) Lucy. You miight try the previous method of ignoring the first 40 hits you see, to give your spin on why an article asking why people hate Tebow (and the 40 preceding it) really don't mean that anyone hates Tebow, and then change your argument to that I haven't explained why people hate Tebow, and then, to the fact that I have not given the middle name or SSN of the people hationg Tebow.
iPad autocorrect will do what it wants, I am at it's will and if it wants to change my spelling it does. Live with it and love it...
You and millions of other people exist that have no rational reason to hate the man. Just because there are millions of irrational people doesn't a reason make. You can't appeal to the masses to make your point. Millions of people can be wrong and they are often. I can name every irrational reason to hate Tebow and not one of them has merit or weight. Remember, the KKK once had 6MM members in a time wher there were less than 100MM US citizens. But of course since there were sooooooo many people who thought the same way their opinions weren't irrational and wrong were they?
Neglected to see your strongest point: URBAN MEYER likes him.
Oink Oink
Oh, you mean a person that actually knows him, not the self proclaimed expert with Google who has proven he has no idea what or why Tebow does what he does.
I think that thats kind of ironic that Mark Twain, a devout atheist would almost paraphrase a verse from Bible!....lol Meaning pearls before swine....lol
Pryor is banned from campus, Tressel is gone, and Tebow is a coach at tOSU.
You have now entered the Twilight Zone.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Ehh, I agree w/ the above post about Troy Smith instead...
and if we were to ever lose Warriner to another job.. Bring in Orlando Pace to coach the OL.
I think O. Pace might be too good physically to be a coach. Typically the great coaches are the guys that had to work their tails off to be decent. That's what's intriguing about Tebow, he has some physical tools but he seemed to make things happen by sheer will. Its like M.Jordan, he can't relate to the struggles of "normal" ball players and thus can't coach them.
Then again, Pace might be great. My bigger point is often great player doesn't equal great coach.
I get what your saying but Tebow ran over people in college and that's why he was successful. I'm not saying he didn't work for it but don't act like Tebow wasn't a physical specimen.
"Too good physically to be a coach" vs. One hotdog away from a heart attack....aka Mark Mangino
LeCharles Bentley, assuming we can pry him away from his academy, but something tells me we've already tried.
I'd love to see Tebow brought in, even if it's as something like a special assistant to Mark Pantoni, just to get his feet wet. Any player with a Heisman trophy and two national championships can help recruiting.
To all those responding with "bring in Player X because he was a fantastic player", just remember being a great player does not mean they will be a great coach.
That said, though I despised him during his college career and frequently called him Tim TeBlow, time heals all wounds and I wouldn't mind having him around the OSU program. I want that positive energy that he brings around the program.
Speaking of time healing all wounds... ESPN recently had a poll that asked if they wanted to see LBJ break the all-time scoring record. I looked at the results in Ohio and I was shocked to find that over 50% voted YES.
Was literally going to say the same thing.
You're absolutely correct DBIT...some good players make good coaches and some don't. Just look at Mike Singletary (who's one of my all time favorite Bears). However he didn't make for a great HC (even though I think he's like a lot of coaches these days that's too old school for the new school mentality these kids and pro players have these days).
Trust me...that was my problem...I called a kid a prima donna and got a talking to by the Superintendent...pretty lame huh (the kid was a SR who had been demoted to playing JV...he got kicked out of the game for a personal foul penalty)? Oh well...that's what it's come to these days. You can't even curse at them at the college level or they'll tell on you...just read this and you'll see what I mean. Granted this particular coach went a bit overboard...but you'll get my point....I hope. Or Mike Leach who seems to be doing more of the same when he was at TX Tech now at WSU....or is he?
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
No...I'm good. No Tebowing at OSU please. I seem to remember some bashing the hell out of me for saying his career would be over after his stint with NY JETS. Now I don't seem so stupid do I....the NFL is a passing league...and he can't pass. Sorry...facts are facts. He did great things while at FL with Urban. Now...in the NFL...there aren't any teams that want him on their roster (since Jacksonville said There's no senario in sight to say he'll end up there...hmmm...that was where everyone said he'd end up). "I can't imagine a scenario in which he'll be a Jacksonville Jaguar," new general manager David Caldwell declared last week. "Even if he's released."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/tim-tebow-future-nfl-uncertain-...
Here's ^^^^^^^^the article if you'd like to read it....
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Buckeye76bhop how could you post such anti USA, anti American Flag, and anti mom's apple pie things..UMMMM let me see because what you posted is the truth lol!!! Tebow: great kid, great college running back/fullback lol, not so good NFL QB *shurgs* it happens..
If Urb wanted him to coach then fine because I roll with Urb, however every ESPN/Fluff media story on him coaching would be banned from my viewing because Im not a witness of Tebow
Just my thoughts and as always Go Bucks...
I'm on both sides of this thread. I say add him to the staff in some capacity to utilize his strengths.
As for him and his QBing skills, I say "what skills"? It's surprising that more college coaches haven't tried Urban's approach at Florida though. Find your fastest 250lb player and move him to QB. Imagine Mitchell bulking up to 250 and getting a 7 yard head start...who's gonna tackle him for anything less than 5 yards??
I would like for someone to at least give the guy a chance..
GA, I'm totally down for. This guy has the energy, passion, and legendary following to be huge for a locker room and recruiting trail.
On the other hand, I don't know how much I trust his Xs and Os and mechanics...
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
I can see him as a coach someday. I was sick of the guy when he was in college because of the coverage, but to be honest I find myself rooting for him now because I love the "you-can't-do-it" story line. And you can't deny his passion no matter who you are!
ok, that's all I needed to see with why "Golden" hates Tebow so much. That pretty much summed it up. Thanks for being honest, although it was too late. I say keep that hatred to yourself instead of bashing a guy and making him the scapegoat. Do you really believe Tebow was the problem for the Jets this year? haha that is laughable. No, you can't really believe that. I think you have to be smarter than that. It's one thing to criticize his QB skills, but it's a whole other thing to blame him for the downfall of two teams.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
Marcus Freeman can be our LBs coach
I don't pray, but I will get down on my knees and beg whoever is out there, that this unspeakable evil never happens. Tebow is not quite as shitty a quarterback as everybody makes out, but sanctimony doesn't sit well with me. I would be horrified if he ever set foot on an OSU campus in an official capacity.
Horrified for what valid reason?
"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck
I think that people like sports stars or don't like them by A) what we perceive to be their personality, and B) what they do on the field. Why don't people like Lance Armstrong? Bill Laimbeer? Tom Brady? Because we perceive them to be assholes. I perceive (right or wrong) Tebow to be an asshole. I think that he is a sanctimonious little 23 year old who has nothing to offer the world other than football. But he is continuously offers things other than that to us, the fans. Shit, Rashard Mendenhall's tweets are at least interesting.
I think that praying after a touchdown is fucked up. If you think that god exists, but you are so insanely arrogant and selfish that you think that god gives a flying, fucking shit that you get a touchdown, and willed the defenders to fail so that you could succeed, that says a ton about a person.
Fair enough Yankee. Appreciate your viewpoint but can't agree with it. As someone who has a three and half year old son, it is nice to have the counterpoint to the all too thug professional athlete. But I won’t even go there. I do not watch sports for a signal from God...
Yet when thinking of the potential for Tebow to bring Leadership type development to 20 year olds, as he went through that process I wouldn't consider theowing that way just cause someone doesn't like the fact that Tebow is appreciative of having God in his life. I doubt he throws it in the faces of his NFL teammates in the locker room.
So I look at Tebow as someone who is positive, who has won at the collegiate level, who has run the Meyer offense successfully at Florida and while he doesn't have a great passing mechanics, we have a QB coach who will help Braxton, Cardale and JT in the passing game.
so I guess I am of the opinion having someone as successful as Tebow in the fold and someone who could be inspirational to a team about to go to a place it has hardly ever been... I struggle why not?
I guess I could look at all the negatives Tebow would bring.... Ok I am struggling with finding those faults.
I guess I look it as, I would never cut my nose off to spite my face. Agree? Or are you tainted against someone being able to play sports and having a religious faith and occasionally showing it by kneeling down in the end zone?
"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck
SCUM, enlighten me. Since you have no faith, how would you have knowledge of what God may or may not give a flying fucking shit about. I'm always amazed at the prejudice of the faithless.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
You clearly haven't listened to why he thanks God, you just hate anyways. He doesn't feel God is "helping him specifically win" rather that God gave him the ability and situation to do such a thing and he derives praise for it. Nothing about selfishness or personal assistance on the field, but rather an acknowledgement of what God has given him. If you are too arrogant and selfish to listen to the man and then form an opinion rather than just making stuff up then I feel sorry that you feel you need to hold so much hate for people who have done nothing to hate.
I'm sure Tim Tebow would really give a sh*t if you were "horrified", YANKEE. Get over it.
Just so we don't lose context of where this type of threads ends up... some people are just going to unreasonably and without merit hate the guy. Why? I'll be honest, some people are just a little ______ (jealous, douchebags, pissy, whiners, ______). They'll never give a valid reason other than "I just don't like what he does," "he acts too good," "something doesn't sit right," "blah blah blah," and more things that have no valide or factual basis. These people have no idea how silly it is to hate a guy who has given the workd no reason to hate him. They can't find enough things to comment on and hate, so they have to invent more.
I'll let what I said the last 100 times Tebow was brought up be found here:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/football/2013/01/tebow-hypothetical
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/football/2012/11/braxton-to-be-mento...
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/buckshot/2012/10/tim-tebow-on-cheering-for...
Now I remember ... you are the guy that says Michael Vick eye black does not a gangster make.
You're back telling folks that no one actually hates Tebow .... and if they do they have no reason to hate Tebow .... AND NOW, apparently that anyone who does is a "jealous, douchebags, pissy, whiner(s)"??
Sanctimony between the sanctimonious??
Gonna have the guy that follows you up on these threads downvote me with his American Flag icon?
Golden, I just wanted to let you know that
Do not talk about downvotes!
You have failed to give one valid reason, and further more, you have shown you haven't even taken the time to understand why he does what he does. Instead you impose your own straw man thoughts on it and then act like you have some crazy obvious valid reason.
If being "sancamonious" means someone who positively affects the world with all that he does while promoting things that are good and right... I hope we have more "jerks" like Tebow and less "great people" like yourself. Your hate and unwarranted vitriol only goes to prove that he is doing good, I'd be worried if someone like yourself praised the man because he'd then likely be doing something wrong.
I agree that just because you were a good player doesn't mean you will be a great coach. Look at Spielman's run as the coach of Columbus' arena football team. But I'm guessing TT might be the best person on earth to teach Braxton the nuances of that zone read. I seem to remember watching a few games this year when the announcers pointed out Brax making the wrong read as far as when to keep it and when to give it to the RB. I'm just guessing TT might be a good person to pick up a few tricks of the trade when it comes to running from the QB position and managing that read offense. Let's just have someone else coach Brax on the passing game.
Not a fan of Tebow the man, But if he can coach well, and "recruit like his hair's on fire" then that would be OK. I don't just want him here if other better guys are available.
I believe he said that if he couldn't play football that he wanted to concentrate on his missionary work. I'm sure that will draw some negative comments so please avoid doing so.
Recruiting is sort of like missionary work. Just really short missions!
Nicely done. This thread could use a little levity...
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Right on, Poison. This thread has been a real humdinger. I am too thin skinned to add anything substantive to it so I just stay out of the way.
What I remember from last year when Urban was hired was how much he values competitiveness. If I remember correctly, he wanted to see a player willing to beat you at checkers just as much as on the football field.
There are many pros and cons that come with Tim Tebow, but I don't think you will find many that want to beat you at any and everything as much as he does.
For that alone, he would be a great addition to the staff. I don't care what position he coaches, just pit Coach Coombs against Tebow and dare the players to surpass that enthusiasm.
Sounds like a winning combination to me.
Way too much anger in this thread.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.