How high can Jordan Hall raise his stock in 1 year?

By RunEddieRun1983 -11 January 2013
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I honestly have no idea what a healthy Jordan Hall projects to in the NFL in terms of how high he could be picked. If he can put it together and maybe have 1200 all purpose yards, maybe 6-8 TD's, is there a team in the NFL that uses a draft choice on him? If so what round? He obviously has a lot of talent, it's just those injuries keep derailing him just when he gets it going.

rdubs on 11 Jan 2013 - 11:11am #

If he can prove himself to be a back who can catch the ball out of the backfield then he will have some late round value. Not sure he is fast enough (and certainly not big enough) for much else, but worth a chance later on given that every team uses 2-3 backs it seems.

One Bad Buckeye on 11 Jan 2013 - 11:13am #

One things for sure....He's going to give it everything he has.

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RunEddieRun1983 on 11 Jan 2013 - 11:15am #

I like it, I think you're right. He busted his backside last year while he was in there.

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Buckeye_in_SEC_... on 11 Jan 2013 - 11:23am #

I think he will be a mental, physical, and emotional leader on and off of the field, but I don't think he improves his stock in the NFL draft. Hyde will probably get most of the touches and I believe Marshall is going to be a stud. Marshall is faster and shiftier than Hall. He also has the frame to run between the tackles. The few games that I saw Hall last year I was not impressed. Obviously he had some injuries and bad luck, but he wasn't as explosive as I had expected. I hope I am wrong and he has a massive year, but I believe the speed that is coming in this year is more suited for Meyer's offense.

bucknasty13 on 11 Jan 2013 - 8:14pm #

Yes, it will be difficult to improve his chances in the draft with all the weapons we have in the backfield. I just hope the O-line holds up because we have so many weapons.

chromedomebuck on 11 Jan 2013 - 12:50pm #

If he shows he can be an albeit slower Darren Sproles who can carry the ball 6-8 times a game and catch swings, screens, etc. from backfield and slot position I can envision someone taking a look at him. He lacks breakaway speed but he rarely goes down at first contact and is pretty shifty. I'd say rounds 5-7 but a good season might get him into the 4th potentially. Just my opinion. But he will be a valuable asset to this team in 2013.

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RunEddieRun1983 on 11 Jan 2013 - 1:36pm #

Maybe show some wrinkles in the return game if the oppurtunity presents itself?

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GoldenBearBuckeye on 11 Jan 2013 - 2:43pm #

I wish J Hall good luck, but the comparison to Sproles is not realistic. Sproles is a tackle breaker, and Hall is not. Sproles is a great return man, and Hall was a bust when he got his shot a couple years ago. Finally, Hall dropped passes both over the middle and on that quick outlet screen. Not sure how we can think an undersized kid with middle-of-the-road speed and hands who has not excelled in college is a pro prospect

rdubs on 11 Jan 2013 - 3:54pm #

The question was how can he improve his draft stock, not how much does he suck. Look we know he has some shortcomings and inconsistencies. But he played solidly with little practice and in little time last year. If he comes in and plays well, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets a late round look since everyone carries 2-3 RBs who play every game. But I agree, he is not Darren Sproles, but that is who he should try to emulate if he wants to get a shot.

Buckeyevstheworld on 14 Jan 2013 - 12:31pm #

A bust? Didn't he return one for a TD his sophomore year. He also had that return against Wisconsin in 2011 that helped give them good field. What did that lead to again?

Did you miss his runs against Florida, and Purdue? If that didn't show he could break tackles, nothing will.

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GoldenBearBuckeye on 14 Jan 2013 - 1:29pm #

How many tackles did he break on these runs? Would even concede that a hand on him would constitute a broken tackle for purposes of this debate.

I saw his runs, and believe that overall, he did very little with the amount of opportunities he had. I have seen him drop multiple balls, and have seen him not get to the first down sticks multiple times on crucial 3rd downs.

If you think he should get carries, that's fine, but I do not recall him breaking a tackle like Rod Smith or C Hyde or J Berry or T Pryor, ane even when comparing him to a more similar body type and running style (Philly), his production has been poor for the amount of touches and minutes he has been given.

Killer nuts on 14 Jan 2013 - 2:35pm #

I know you're trying to be analytical but a quick look at some stats would lead me to believe you're being a little too much of a hater on Hall. In albeit limited action last year in Meyer's offense, Hall averaged 5.5 yards per carry and 10.3 yards per catch. Nothing to scoff at when you consider that's more yards per run than Hyde and nearly the same yards per catch as Philly who was much more frequently split wide whereas Hall was coming out of the backfield. I think any guy that'll get us 5 per carry and 10 per catch is a valuable contributor

GoldenBearBuckeye on 14 Jan 2013 - 3:12pm #

Were those the 2 carries he had on 3rd and 20 when we tried to get out of the end zone to punt? Runs of about 6 and 5 yards sound about right.

I don't have access to the stats you are referencing, but I'll tell you that I cannot remember J Hall getting us a first down this season. NOT ONE. If we can't agree that that is the most telling stat for a back's production, then we see stats very differently.

Rod Smith had a high average/carry his Freshman year (as did J Berry in garbage time) and he killed us. J Hall ran 3 or 4 routes on 3rd down where he either dropped it or ended up 2 yards short.

Killer nuts on 14 Jan 2013 - 4:09pm #

40 carries for 218 yards. Pretty sure that a 5 and 6 yard run on third and long wouldn't be enough to change the average over 40 carries

Killer nuts on 14 Jan 2013 - 4:12pm #

Here you go, he got us 10 first downs this year on his 40 touches... You have a selective memory

http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/player/518/1025465/rushing/situational.html

Killer nuts on 14 Jan 2013 - 4:19pm #

You'll also notice that 8 of his carries (20% of his total) went for more than 10 yards

For comparison, about 15% of hyde's carries went for more than 10 yards

GoldenBearBuckeye on 14 Jan 2013 - 6:59pm #

Impressive!

I am processing this.

Thanks

Buckeye Chuck on 14 Jan 2013 - 1:56pm #

The actual Darren Sproles was only a fourth round pick, so my guess is that a "slower Darren Sproles" might want to use that extra year of college for a purpose other than just playing football, since football isn't likely to be a major part of his future. Not bashing; just being realistic about Hall's chances at the next level.

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PDoggett73 on 14 Jan 2013 - 2:31pm #

I would have to agree, I don't see him getting drafted. Hall is quick and can make you miss but he doesn't have the speed to play in the nfl. That combined with his size to go along with a history of injuries, I don't think even if he is picked up somewhere he could last long. He won't get enough touches to have a monster year and bring his stock up. Too bad Tressel isn't still there teaching his coaching class, I think that's the only way Hall could break into the nfl one day.

Earle on 14 Jan 2013 - 2:37pm #

Given his production, Sproles should have gone much higher. The question mark on him was his size and durability, which caused him to drop to round 4. He certainly answered those questions. I don't think Hall is in his class by a longshot, but hope that with good health and Herman's offense he proves me wrong.

Rapping Bum on 11 Jan 2013 - 1:32pm #

I'd prefer to see El Guapo get most of the carries next season.

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Matthew on 11 Jan 2013 - 1:33pm #

I don't think Hall would be picked at this point at all in the draft. He has the ability to put up one year and sneak in, though.

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CptBuckeye24 on 11 Jan 2013 - 1:33pm #

At best, 4th round and that's if he has a monster season. He has to prove his versatility for him to improve his draft status. He needs to prove he can make plays in space and stay healthy.

Now he as a good burst and a quick first step, but he is not a burner by any means. Guys who can do a lot of things; play special teams, kick/punt return, and play WR/RB usually have a spot in the NFL. He has a lot to prove at this point in his career.

otrain2416 on 11 Jan 2013 - 2:29pm #

He can get faster and learn to break some tackles if he can do this he will be a great back

USMC11917 on 11 Jan 2013 - 7:37pm #

Breaking tackles and vision have never been a question. His quickness is above average but his top gear is 4 in a 6 speed.

GoldenBearBuckeye on 11 Jan 2013 - 7:44pm #

Don't want to put words in your mouth, but don't you mean to say he can make guys miss rather than he breaks tackles??? I've never seen him go forward after contact .... sort of the anti-CarlosHyde

USMC11917 on 14 Jan 2013 - 12:19pm #

Yes, you are correct about my intentions and I chose my wording poorly.

otrain2416 on 14 Jan 2013 - 3:02pm #

Breaking tackles has always been a question. How many times would he run inbetween the tackles or even get outside and one guy puts an arm on him and he falls over. It happened quite a bit I'm suprised you haven't noticed it. Please watch the 1st and 2nd plays, 1:11, 9:55, 11:05, 13:30. There were also plenty of plays he had inbetween (if you have time to watch) where he got 0-3 yards where Hyde would have rushed for a minimum of 5. Yes I know their 2 different backs all I'm saying is Hall would have a lot more potential in the NFL as a 3rd down back if he wouldn't go down with the first hit like he's done in the past. I like Hall and I want him to do well I'm just saying with no breakaway speed and only having lateral quickness he needs to break more tackles so he can be considered more of an offensive threat.

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otrain2416 on 14 Jan 2013 - 3:11pm #

Edit: sorry I saw you said make guys miss vs break tackles you can watch anyway if your bored

CC on 11 Jan 2013 - 2:48pm #

I think the first question is - Does he play? He was #1 ahead of Hyde before the year, but after the year it would be tough to replace Hyde.

OurHonorDefend09 on 11 Jan 2013 - 3:01pm #

am I the only one who isn't too thrilled for him to get touches? I'll take the proven abilites of Hyde and potential of Rod/Brionte/Warren/Zeke over a small back who always falls over his own feet.

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GoldenBearBuckeye on 11 Jan 2013 - 4:01pm #

Agree.

And the slot type plays should go to Philly unless Zeke or Marshall can handle them

Bucksnut13 on 11 Jan 2013 - 4:52pm #

Philly brown has more straight line speed and less moves than hall. Ideally we could use Philly on the outside, with zeke and Hyde and rod smith rotating in next to Braxton. Then have jalin Marshall line up all over the field and get him a ton of touches as well

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GoldenBearBuckeye on 11 Jan 2013 - 6:54pm #

Philly's 5 or 6 plays from the modified pistol this year were more productive than any play I can ever remember from J Hall.

If Marshall is good to go, it's fine with me to move him around, or have him next to Braxton with Philly moving around

Bucksnut13 on 11 Jan 2013 - 7:59pm #

I don't know about you but it is my own honest opinion that Philly would be better on the outside because he is straight line faster and has more size. Hall took some option pitches from brax this year and it worked wonderfully on a couple of occasions. Marshall is so versatile that he can do both. He seriously reminds me so much of Percy harvin

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chubby on 11 Jan 2013 - 3:50pm #

Yeah if Hyde is not clear cut #1 something is wrong. 16Tds and 30 yds shy of 1,000yds and his late 1st downs won so many games. Kid is a beast and Hyde will be a NFL drafted RB 2 rounds before Hall is picked.

Hall needs to work on CATCHING THE BALL CONSISTENTLY because his role will be 3rd down back and slot WR and some HBack.

I like Hall though and like someone mentioned maybe a Sproles role but as far as 15 carries a game, I do not think the team can afford to take the ball out of Hyde's hands an extra 10 times a game to be honest. They need him to beat down the opposing defense with his running style, and also his blocking. Hall is no where near the blocker Hyde is for Miller's runs.

cajunbuckeye on 11 Jan 2013 - 6:00pm #

I think he's going to find it hard to get playing time. Carlos should get the majority of the touches, and Smith is certainly going to get a share also.

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USMC11917 on 11 Jan 2013 - 7:41pm #

I appreciate his dedication to the team but I see at least two better options at RB and that is not considering the freshmen coming in. How productive can he be, coming in on third down in an obvious passing play? I will always cheer for him for his dedication to us but I am looking at this picture with unbiased eyes.

osu_chris on 11 Jan 2013 - 7:56pm #

Definitely later rounds as others have said, but with the continued move toward spread and read plays in the NFL, I could definitely see someone grabbing him. Kind of like a Lamichael James type pick (who I hope has a huge game for my niners tomorrow). Not a bell-cow back, but someone to get the ball to in spots.

Buckeyevstheworld on 14 Jan 2013 - 6:23pm #

The comments in this thread remind me of how people were reacting to Hyde last year. "He's just not the guy" were among the things people said. The tune changed after the Nebraska game.

Had Hall not gotten hurt, I think he would have had a great year.

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