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would he have gotten any votes, outside of Notre Dame homers and Tim Brown?
Would Braxton have went to New York?
Maybe not 2nd but he would have been in NYC.
outside of the story, he was the emotional leader of the top ranked undefeated Notre Dame team. Every year the best player on the best team gets to NYC. 3 out of the last 5 years the best player on the best team won (Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Mark Ingram Jr.) and in the other 2, AJ McCarron and Manti Te'o were finalists.
That is why I say most of why Te'o was a finalist was due to ND's undefeated season. Small part to stats and the story.
He would have won no doubt in my mind. It would have been the fake online one but he'd a won it.
I don't know....this has been linked here before, but look at the stats. His story and character were big contributers to his Heisman campaign.
First of all, at this point, the voters wouldn't want to touch him at this point, so the answer is an emphatic NO--he wouldn't even be in NYC.
Assuming there was closure to the hoax and Te'o was not in on it at any point, he still wouldn't have finished second. He might have made it to NYC, emphasis on might. The only reason he would have made it to NYC is because he was on an undefeated team which has no other big stars. His stats do not support Heisman candidacy, especially for defensive player (in the reality of traditional voting).
It is a fact, an undisputable fact, that voters voted for him based on the "story." A Heisman voter admitted that on Mike and Mike yesterday.
I heard that on Mike and Mike and I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have voted for him if his story was just the grandmother dying of leukemia and he was the same player, same undefeated season on ND. He still had a heartfelt story despite this hoax.
Not to mention he did get all the other defensive awards that are based on actual play and nothing to do with feel good stories. You don't get the Butkus Award for having a nice story, he had a good season on the field too.
Riiiiiiight. All college football awards except for the Heisman are based on play and not off-the-field stuff. And Bill O'Brien's 3 coach of the year awards had nothing to do with the PSU stories. That's a profoundly naive statement.
The Heisman is awarded to the most outstanding player, it is based on performance just like all the other awards. Just because they are supposed to be based on performance, or actual play, does not mean the individuals who decide the outcome are not persuaded (intentionally or unintentionally) by off-the-field stories. It is an inherently subjective process, and therefore subject to subjectivity.
Thanks for the laugh.
Of course you don't believe the voter who admitted he voted based on the story, because it does not jive with your opinion. You also ignore the fact that the discovery of the hoax smears the whole feel good story, inspite of the tragic loss of his grandmother. The only way it would be put back into a good light and favorable for Te'o is if he is proven to be completely innocent, to have been duped, and did not lie. Needless to say, you might not get that because you won't believe people who freely admit they voted for him based on the story.
He does not make it to NYC if this comes up prior to. The only reason he was invited was because he was a part the only undefeated team while being a feel good story for the off field stuff. Think about the bad PR for the most prestigous award in college football. ESPiN wouldnt be able to control itself from asking questions about why Te'o let the lie go on. Not sure why he doesnt hire a PR firm to try to help put out the fire. Where's his agent in all of this?
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
Depends on when the story would have broken. If this news came to light in December, I think he's still No. 2 in the voting. If earlier, like October of November, its entirely possible he doesnt finish in the top 4 at all. Then, yes, the logical choice would have been to bump up Braxton. Of course, Brax will have two more shots to get back to NYC. T'eo will get drafted with a tremendous amount of baggage. He'll be a defensive version of Tebow only without any integrity.
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I think it's pretty obvious that Te'o's story during the season had massive impact on the coverage he was afforded and, as a result, the votes that he received. A heightened state of visibility is exactly the reason that schools actively campaign for their players.
The last two days, though, have shown just how explosive a story like this can be and, given ND's inept PR effort, how devastating the damage. The same voters (or the same percentage of voters anyway) who punched for Te'o for reasons that went outside the lines of the field would have probably excluded him given the knowledge of this bizarro story. Purely conjecture, I know.
Of course ND knew this when they instructed Te' to continue to answer questions about the "girl" in the press sessions leading up the the National Championship beatdown, even after they knew it was a complete sham. As usual, the cover-up just makes it seem more slimy.
With all that said, the conversations that have suggested that Heisman voters who vote for reasons outside of on-the-field performance should lose their right to cast such votes is wishful at best, and probably juvenile. The whole award, especially with its offense-minded bias, is about image.
Braxton would have been in NY had it not been for this story.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Heard an interview with a columnist out of Chicago, Greenstein I think, who said that he voted for Te'o based on the narrative of his season. The story was what separated Te'o from Manziel. If he had known this story he says he wouldn't have voted for Te'o first on his ballot.
I remember being called a hater when I said this was mostly about his "tragedy". I guess I got the last laugh.
I don't know if he would've been a finalist or not. I think this story along with Notre Dame's undefeated season and America's obsession with Notre Dame drove him to be a finalist. Stats are not always the main indicator of who will win an award. He had a very good season, and obviously his team had a good season, but he was elevated to mythological status not only by his play, but by his story of overcoming adversity and playing through heartache.
I do though believe he would not have finished 2nd in the Heisman race had everyone known the story was not true. If one guy has already said he wouldn't have voted for Te'o had he known the truth, he can't be the only voter that feels the same way.
i think te'o still would have snuck in as a finalist, but definitely not finished second. his big draw to voters was the season that he had (while good, not even close to the kind of season johnny football had), his leadership on an undefeated traditional powerhouse that was NC bound, and the fact that he did it all under such a burden (grandmother and fake girlfriend dying).
he doesn't affect braxton going to nyc much IMO. braxton had the season he had, which wasn't quite good enough to be a finalist (yet!). he still has plenty of room to grow, and it's not like te'o took the last finalist spot anyway. they said there were only 3 finalists this year because of the sheer voting gap between the top 3 and 4th place (presumably braxton). even with klein and te'o reversed, and a few more votes going to braxton, i doubt it would have impacted him much.
watch out for next year though!
I don't think it really matters does it?..............I mean he didnt WIN the Heisman and neither did Braxton
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
No, he would have finished 571st.
Class of 2010.
No, because it would have been a scandal that would have far overshadowed his on-the-field achievements and negated the story being told by the media. Without the back story, his play on the field would not have put him as a top-tier Heisman candidate.
And JohnBlairGoBucks, I suspect you are familiar with what "J" stands for in JTown.
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