Urban came in year one and did something many did not expect...he led the Buckeyes to an undefeated 2012 season. With tOSU being in a "weak" Big Ten and having an easy schedule mean that we have to go undefeated again next season to have any chance at playing for the NC? Is there any way, with us having one loss are we even considered? Has any coach, in college football, ever led his team to two undefeated seasons in his first two years? Your thoughts please.
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I'd say there's no question we need to run the table, as the voters are not gonna put us in over a 1-loss Bama, Oregon or Stanford, and I don't see that many 2-loss teams.
It depends on what the rest of college football looks like and how strong the B1G is next year.
Technically you are correct, but the chances that there are no 1 loss teams from the SEC or Big 12 or Oregon coupled with the ridiculous schedules of Boise and Louisville (presumptively undefeated), there is virtually no chance a 1 loss Buckeye team gets to the NC game.
It just depends on the loss and the records/losses of the other teams. A lot of it has to do with timing but you never want to leave your fate in the hands of biased poll voters.
No chance we get in with 1-loss imo. Our schedule is REALLY weak, weaker than it was this year. It'd likely take something catastrophic (like us being 1 of only 2 teams in the country w/1 loss). I'd hate to see how far we'd drop in the polls if we lost to any team on our schedule (Michigan might be top 10, doubt anyone else will be)--likely out of the top 10, with very little chance to crawl back in as a result of the weak strength of schedule.
I think the real question is, does an undefeated OSU get in over a 1-loss SEC team? I'd say yes, but just barely. Once we move to the playoff system I think a 1-loss OSU team is in the final 4 if not every year, nearly every year.
^^^^Agreed...anyone who says OSU can get in with 12-1 record is kidding themselves. Just look at this year....we would have been praying to get in at 13-0 if we could have played a way overrated NEB team that got embarrassed by a 7-5 Wiscy team. I'm not completely sold that we would have been in for sure this year with an undefeated record.
We have to PLOW through the competition this year and prove that OSU is back to dominance in the B1G or we may not go or have to hope others get knocked off even with another undefeated season. Even though we're OSU....we still have many who don't respect us (ESPN, NBC, CBS and others...not to mention look how the AP voted this year....let's hope it was just because we were banned from post season play...otherwise....I could unfortunately be right).
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Im not going to disagree with the sentiment, but its important to remember the flip side of the coin. That being the 7-5 terrible Wisconsin team played right with a #6 Stanford team and Nebraska had too many many defensive lapses to beat high and mighty SEC, despite leading for half the game. So maybe the B1G lacks the top team, but it sure seems like they held their own against the barrage of top 10 teams that were thrown at them during bowl season. The pundits will never admit it, but the gap isn't that big. Northwestern was 2-0 against god's conference.
Yah, it hurts that our best argument is that "there is not as much of a huge gap anymore". Every part of that sentence has a little bit of humiliation built into it.
Michigan has got to get strong, Penn State can't go belly up and Wisconsin can't miss a beat if we have any chance of turning this around. And Rutgers has to throttle teams like Va Tech - they looked bad ..... and Minnesota can't choke away bowl games .... and .... and .... and .....
Up vote for your point on the Rose Bowl game. I don't understand why the PAC 12 is getting so much love with sportscasters and ESPN. I don't remember them doing well in bowl games in I don't know how long... I'm not saying the Big 10 is any better in bowl games, but look at where most of the Big 10 vs PAC 12 bowl games are played... Just my $.02
No team outside the SEC will get in with one loss unless there are insufficient undefeated BCS conference teams. Like it or not, just or not, the SEC gets that benefit and nobody else does. Lose a game and we're out.
Yes. Almost absolute. Only exception will be if the top tier of teams is a 2 loss pool. It's happened but not likely.
Let's say we run the table. Honest question. Are we ready? Will we be ready? Too soon or is there enough depth and excelence to pull off a NC win? We'd be underdogs and I'd be down with that like in '02.
ABSOLUTELY must "run the table", and average 40 ppg doing it.
With this schedule (2013) it has to be undefeated and we have to destroy the competition. BCS would've likely kept us out of the NCG this year if we were eligible, even at 12-0, mostly because of our schedule strength (and mostly because we struggled at times vs. mediocre teams). One loss still means a BCS bowl but we all know what we really want.
The only way I see us still getting into the NCG next year with 1 loss is if everyone else has 1-2 losses and we catch some big breaks like we did in 2007 when we played LSU. You have to figure that as much talent as Bama, A&M, LSU, Florida, Georgia have coming back that one of them will go unbeaten or 1-loss at the worst.
The playoff cannot get here soon enough. With 4 teams getting in will be easier to get a shot at the NCG with 1-loss than with the BCS that's for sure.
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We wouldve been unanimous top 2 in the polls. The voters are lying to themselves otherwise. That would easily overcome a disadvantage in the computers. It would set a new precedent otherwise. The Big ten is not the mountain west.
Barry Switzer had one tie in his first 2 seasons at Oklahoma.
Given that we finished third in this past season's final AP poll behind two one-loss teams (partially because we didn't play in a bowl, but not entirely), it's safe to say the answer to this question is "yes." We have a better chance of being left out of the title game as an undefeated team than we do of playing in that game with one loss.
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Its primarily because of the sanctions. Dont let the media's lazy justifications convince you we wouldnt have been considered worthy.
Yes...look at OSU's schedule and you'll see...it's even easier than last year (not to mention two bye weeks). So running the table isn't going to be the problem. It will be the B1G championship game and how good that opponent is. That and tTUN game will be big decision makers for voters in OSU's favor to go to the BSC championship game IMHO. Not trying to get too far ahead of ourselves or setting expectations too high. It is what it is and OSU has now set the bar pretty damn high.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
All good points with the exception of 2 Bye weeks. That does nothing for schedule strength. SEC teams rountinely have 2 bye weeks in their schedules. And because of the way the calendar year works next year (Aug 31st is a Satuurday & 5 Saturdays in Novemeber) you will see many teams with 2 bye weeks in their schedules next season. But (and I can't believe I am saying this) we need scUM to have a good run heading into The Game next season. Should be doable for them with their schedule.
Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987
Does everyone forget 2008? 1 loss buckeyes, everyone else 2 losses... it can happen but much better chance if undefeated.
2007. And things were different then (the "B1G SUCKS" meme was in its infancy).
Not with tOSU's repurtation from the last 2 BCS Championship games man. The voters have a bias against the B1G and it's perceived weakness.
Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987
Have to win them all to get to the big one. Until the B1G presumption changes we will always have to win me all. If some of the teams that played well in the bowls could have closed and won and every one did well in the non conference schedule maybe not, but that's a lot if's. however osu should win them all next year if they don't hate to say it but they might not be where they need to be to play in the championship game.
Even though Cal lost Keenen Allen and their best DB to early NFL that game scares me out there on the left coast. That team has a TON of speed and had talent last year. They just quit on their coach. New Coach & new up tempo system which UFM will have us prepared for but still a tricky game. tOSU is traveling out west and that will end up being a night game. If they get past that game then yes they can run the schedule.
Because they wouldn't let me go for 3!
Woody Hayes 1913-1987
As much as I hate to say it, I see a possible upset happening at Ryan Field.