Figured we could have a place where the running updates from Day 2 of AA practices could go, rather than clogging up the Quick Bits threads that don't continue for more than a day. I won't be around a lot today but 247 has free update threads for both Army and UA practices, so any relevant info can be thrown in here.
So far today/yesterday:
Under Armour:
- Baugh has been one of the most impressive with fluid routes and great hands, while Marshall has had his hands be the problem at times. Scouts are saying Marshall has a running back's body rather than a WR, but obviously that's beneficial for a slot ATH.
- Shane Morris (UM Commit) has not impressed, 247 analysts are criticizing his release, and he's underthrowing a lot. That being said, he had a rough season with the mono and level of competition so he can be cut some slack.
- Trey Johnson made a lot of plays yesterday and 247 guys still contend that he is expected to go scarlet and grey on saturday.
- Vonn Bell was praised for how fluid he is.
- Gareon Conley is showing in drills that he is raw in technique, not as refined as some of the top guys, which we knew prior. That said, as athleticism is concerned, he matches up with about anyone and is definitely a CB. This is unlike Cam Burrows, who evidently is not as fast as he should be for his size as a corner. 247 guys are saying that he may get up to 220 when he fills out, which would almost certainly mean a move to safety.
- Joe Bosa continues to be one of the strongest and most physically imposing guys there. Just from seeing some video on him from drills, I would say that if the season started tomorrow, he wouldn't be outmatched at the college level.
Army:
- Woodard hasn't been one of the overall DB top performers, but has been consistently good.
- James Quick has been one of the best route runners there, according to analysts, and is constantly getting praise. He and Gibson seem to be two of the most impressive WRs as far as playmaking and quickness is concerned.
- Ezekiel Elliott isn't getting very many carries this week. He split out and caught a nice TD pass yesterday, but this morning he's back to DB in positional drills.
- Lisle has gotten praise for his conditioning at the RT position. He's got long arms and a high ceiling.
- Haven't heard much on Mike Mitchell except that he's playing OLB rather than on the inside where OSU wants him. I saw a few photos of him and he looks imposing.
UPDATE: 1/1/13 5:45 PM
Ok, so today's news is less plentiful, a lot more of the same.
UA:
- Burrows was praised for looking fluid going through drills but not much on him for coverage. Good to see that he has the athleticism, though, still needs to work on the hips.
- A 247 scout thinks that Bosa is strongest at the point of attack, and for that reason projects more to be defensive tackle, which I have thought for soem time may happen. If not because he's not ideally quick around the edge, he may move because he can, and because the DE position will be deep for 2013.
Army:
- Quick and Gibson are both getting work returning kicks.
- Gibson has consistently been able to get separation and caught some deep balls. One big thing was that he showed excellent route running ability, comparable to Quick, which was one of the things that I felt Quick did better than Gibson before. I think at this point, Gibson isn't as controlled a runner as Quick, but that can be trained, and they're comparable prospects as true WRs. If we don't end up with Quick in this class, Gibson should be a suitable consolation should he qualify.
UPDATED 1/2/13 1:45 PM
Today was a slow day, UA guys have a media day in the afternoon and there are no army practices.
Notes on commits and targets from today, or even just vaguely relevant info:
- Bosa beat Dorian Johnson a number of times with his strength and speed, and beat Michigan commit Pat Kugler as well in 1 v 1 drills. We can assume that he was moving from DE to DT, because Kugler projects to be a center at the next level, and is likely playing the interior. This means that Bosa can win battles with both speed and strength, as he gets off the line fast. I'd love to see him play like Clowney in the way that he constantly pushes the lineman back and collapses the pocket on every play whether he gets off his blocks or not. That's what makes him such a beast.
- Mike Mitchell was a top perfomer at Army practices yesterday.
- Josh McNeil, former OSU TE target showed up at UA camp looking out of shape, so it certainly supports some of the doubts that he showed in his recruitment when he messed around with his favorites and seemed to attract attention rather than just working hard.
- Shane Morris had a better day, Vonn Bell made some plays in the secondary.
- Baugh continued to get high praise for his natural ability to use his body on catches. He has great hands, and I think he'll be a real asset in the passing game. He won't be pure tight end, so expect to see him get play time fast, as he will split out like Stoneburner. From what I've seen of Baugh, he seems faster than Stoneburner was when he filled out, and Baugh is further along physically than a lot of guys his age. He definitely has an speed advantage over Vannett and Heuerman, so expect to see him early and often.
Thank you. I appreciate the updates.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Tori Hunter Jr went down with a knee injury during practice, Mike Farrell of Rivals said it looked pretty bad.
Not a buckeye commit but just one of those things I'm always worried about, injuries at an event like this.
broken femur ><
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Well there are now 8 different forums about this that all came at the same time haha. Oh well, free for all
Cheers
Sounds great!!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning! GO BUCKS!!
With all due respect to the others, Buck-I.8 always has informative posts, so I comment here just to keep this post on top.
And FWIW, ESPN U will be showing practice sessions at 3 est.
Shane Morris is who we thought he was, very very overrated.
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
Freakin iPhone. Somebody give me him an upvote to offset my accidental downvote.
I know people think Michael Chung is a hack but FWIW he tweeted that a source in San Antonio told him Quick was going to stay home and go to L'ville. Also said Mike Mitchell has been hanging with OSU commits most of the time while Quick hasn't.
Some of the recent news on Quick got our hopes up a bit, but I still thought it would be hard to pull him if we didn't pull ahead after the GAME.
Maybe we did pull ahead during his OV but he didn't want to announce it until now.
Benefits of waiting to annonce it: less backlash from the UL fans and students at his school and it is after he already won Mr Football of Kentcuky. Had he said OSU leads before or committed they might have voted differently.
Accidental down vote. If he could get two to cancel mine and give him the up vote I was trying to give him that would be great.
I think, or at least hope, what you meant was Elliott is back to positional drills at RB, not DB, correct?
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
no, DB
I thought that was weird. Makes no sense to put him at DB when he's a RB.
Scouts are saying he may see some work at DB at the next level. I'm not sure if that refers uniquely to OSU or in general but he's crazy fast, and he's got great athleticism, so wherever he goes is fine with me if the staff feels he'll perform best there.
here's a quote that has better info. Looks like he's being moved just because he's versatile:
"Ohio State running back commit Ezekiel Elliott is one of the more versatile players on the roster. Though he will play running back for the Buckeyes he has spent a lot of time this week at safety as well. It will be interesting to see if he gets more reps on offense or defense during the game."
Wow, that's got to be pretty disappointing for him not to get much of a chance to show what he can do with the ball in his hands. Hopefully that begins to happen as the week moves along...
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
He's moved around and gotten carries both days. You'll see guys like Tyner get most of the touches at RB during the game, but EE will get a shot, believe that.
I think I'd see it as a compliment. Su'a Cravens gets injured and who do they turn to as a replacement, Ezekiel. If they think he is the best athlete able to play both ways at a game with that much talent, that says a lot!!
Gibson n quick tearing it up today at practice. One negative gibson fumbled forced by dymonte thomas.
O'Deez330
stark county football
more news of gibson shining.
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Awesome keep it commin. Just got inside info that James Quick is wearing Ohio State boxers.
Well that's not creepy at all......
It was a joke my fellow buckeye.
Updated with current news
247 puts Marcus Baugh at number 9 on their list of 10 top performers. Big deal with Oj Howard, who is a beast, in attendance.
Gibson says he has the grades and could commit to TOSU today if he wanted also said TOSU and West Virginia are tied hmmmm.
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Don't like the sound of that
I wouldn't put too much stock into that. Why would he want to admit that his academics are an issue? Also, you saw how quickly Jayme Thompson switched his commitment from West Virginia to Ohio State. There is no competition between the schools.
I upvoted you to cancel out the unwarranted downvote for expressing your opinion.
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Thanks buck. +1
I think he's still all buckeye that info came from mike Chung from ozone fwiw
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Deion Sanders named Burrows as one of his two standout CBs so far. Said he loves how physical he plays. So Cam must've had a really good day
"The eight-time Pro Bowl selection singled out two cornerbacks and two he feels will excel at safety.
“I like Shaq Wiggins and Cam Burrows at cornerback,” Sanders said. “Wiggins has aggressiveness and I like him because he takes chances. He has a lot of athleticism. I think Cam Burrows is a little more physical at cornerback and I like him a lot."
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncfrecruiting/southeast/post?id=13512 ($)
primetime likes physical corners?
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That's good to hear. Since he and Eli are both enrolling early, I expect that we'll see how that depth chart shakes out sooner rather than later, and whether Burrows will move or not.
Gibson named top receiver on east by tos. Also baugh being noted as top performer in ua game over 5* oj howard
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I heard that Burrows intercepted a pass from Shane Morris during practice on Tuesday. Shane Morris has not impressed so far.
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
That's always a good thing...let's hope his unimpressive, overrated talent continues over the next few years.
He gets a pass because of Mono, it'll be a while until he's back up and running. I never thought he was a 5* to begin with, but he is not horrible
This is something Ohio State really needs.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
It would be nice if Florida beat the crap out of Louisville just so Quick could see how far away that program is from being elite. You never know what makes the difference in recruiting.
shortbus20
Spot on. When you think of Ohio State's season, you don't think "bowl ban", you think "undefeated." There's no way to scar that now. Louisville's entire season outlook could be changed by a huge loss in a bowl game here.
Hmmm what is Plan B? Louisville, and more importantly, Bridgewater looks pretty darn good. If Quick was all Louisville, he's really excited watching this. If he was all Ohio State, he is second guessing himself right now. Maybe Quick isn't watching lol
Remember, Quick saw OSU play impressive football in person. He won't overlap very long with Bridgewater, and one game won't just change everything
I'm gonna start making new stuff bold so things don't all run together. I'll update shortly.
In the meantime, I'm hearing around the scouting circles that Evan Lisle has been nothing short of consistently solid this week thus far. Against some top defensive linemen nationally, he's done more than hold his own, and not only that, he's been personable, his opponents and teammates like him, and he's already a giant kid. Sounds like he could be a big prospect moving forward, and he's working at RT in camps, so hopefully he'll be a backup for Decker with a redshirt year separating them.
That's great to hear re: Lisle. I love hearing we have another good kid with lots of talent coming in!
BTW, thanks for all the updates on our commits and recruits - you've been absolutely on fire lately. You and Gene are posting great info AND analysis.
This is awesome stuff - thanks BUCK-I.8.
Love the comment about Bosa - sounds like he will not disappoint!
Updates definitely appreciated!
Also, I can't believe in 2-3 days our class will be just about complete - and likely with some STUDS joining the club! I've never watched these All-American type games due to life and time constraints, but I plan on DVR-ing them this year and watching for commitments and to see our talent.
Just read on 247 bosa is serving up o lineman on day 3. He beat dorian johnson and pat kugler ob back to back snaps. Also sounds like baugh is continuing to look great agin on day 3
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stark county football
A buddy of mine went to the Florida State Championship game in which Bosa had 4 sacks; he said that he was basically a man amoung boys!
"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"
Looks like Johnson and Bosa traded wins. Wish we could have that matchup in practices in the future, but at least we'll never play him in a bowl haha
47 minutes ago via 247Sports Mobile
Joey Bossa just beat Dorian Johnson on a power move with quickness.
National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryH247Sports
43 minutes ago via 247Sports Mobile
Joey Bosa defeats Patrick Kugler.
@CNee247.
Dorian Johnson has to gain strength/mass. Joey Bosa's strength differential shows up in team and one on ones against Johnson.
National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryH247Sports
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More news of bosa taking johnsons lunch money. Vonnbell with good coverage and a few pbus as well. Sounds like poggi scum commit is tearing it up along with bosa. Pic of them 2 hanging out over there.
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I'm semi new here to 11W; could someone please tell me how I go about up or down voting??
"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"
You now have to have 100 stickers
For those of you with subscriptions, here's an article about Bosa being compared to Simon. I'm sure it will be in Quick Bits shortly, but in summary, it basically says that Bosa looks up to Simon and would love to carry on his legacy.
http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Article/Some-have-likened-Ohio-State-verbal-Joey-Bosa-to-John-Simon-109352
Seems like a good, well spoken young man; plus he comes from one of the best HS programs in the country; great addition to TOSU.
"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"
Thanks my friend
"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"
From another site: "Ohio State WR commit Jalin Marshall was "also really good in one-on-ones." He runs good routes, high points the ball well and really impressed during the one-on-one session."
Michigan defensive tackle commit Henry Poggi had a great rip move inside and got to the quarterback to force an incomplete pass. Ohio State commit Cam Burrows had a nice pass break-up on the same play.
I think Poggi is gonna be better than the sites give him credit. His dad is a great head coach at his school, which is a football power dynasty school. His dad is also respected enough to be an assistant coach this week at the UA game. This kid was sort of raised as a football player, and he's learned the nuances of the DL, including turning his body to shed blocks, and get off the line very quick. He may be too small to be effective, but I can see him being much better than anticipated by the sites that ranked him very low, like ESPN.
Another post states Poggi is taking a 'Bama visit
Yeah that's my post haha. That only broke like a half hour ago, still think he could be a beast though.
Updated in bold, slow day for news
Cant wait too see Bosa and Baugh in scarlet and gray!
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I agree, I am really excited for Baugh. I love tight ends and we just haven't featured one in a long time. Maybe Baugh is our guy. That being said, it seems like every week I have a new favorite recruit, and if we pick up another couple commits here soon it will be even harder to choose.
I need these games to hurry up and get here. Working from home today and I am reading as many updates as I can to keep me sane.
nice work I.8 I been reading tos stuff since u started this thread.
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Thanks man, get it while you can because I'm back in class in 5 days haha
Cam Burrows getting some more love today on the UA practice show. Looks good breaking up passes. They are also showing off Gareon Conley as well. If we can get Vonn Bell as well, then we may really have a nice class in the secondary!!
Herm
Damn so it sounds like Zeke will be playing Safety in the game rather than RB due to injuries at the AA game. I wanted to see what he looked like running ball against some of these top notch recruits... I guess he'll just have to get a pick-6.
He's still gonna play alot of RB, just also some time at safety. High school kids are used to playing both ways, so I doubt this hinders his ability to make plays on offense
the coverage on espn has ben garbage with thier typical Sec promoting. We have the mosy commits yet saw the lerast by way of coverage. They cant keep our players from dominating the games.
Marcus Baugh just took home the trophy for the Linemen Challenge at the Skills Challenge. O-H!
These updates are very promising for our young recruits. It seems like they are doing very well against top competition. Wierd that with all the plays these guys are making they have only got a combined one minute of air time. haha. I bet Espn does the S-E-C chants after each work meeting.
Not really worried if we don't get much coverage of our recruits.This is espn/sec II network. They will all be blowing it up in Scarlet and Grey in the shoe!! Baugh, I think ,is gonna be big ,in our offense.Can't wait to see him!!
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I can't wait until the games and see who picks the Buckeyes, normally would not watch, but will be watching Friday. I just hope the Florida-Louisville game doesn't affect Quick's choice, hope he picks the good guys.
Don't think 1 game will flip Quick one way or the other.Wouldn't normally watch,but with so many future Bucs,gonna have to watch some of it!!
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