Wow, bad week up north...

By gobucks96 -18 December 2012
43 Comments
- Football

Denard busted for driving with a suspended license, punter fail his third pot test.. Geez, wil htey have anyone left?

BrewstersMillions on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:03pm #

Eh the suspended license doesn't do a thing for me. Its a traffic violation, nothing more.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Oyster on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:07pm #

True, but flip it around and put an OSU player in his place. The rampant criminal activity in Columbus continues, in spite of probation and a bowl ban, news at 11:00.

LouGroza on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:11pm #

My thoughts exactly also on the three suspensions in the last week and the three players that left the team since they played us. The headlines would have been in neon, everywhere, if it where tOSU.

BrewstersMillions on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:52pm #

This shouldn't come as a shock to anyone though. Who cares what other schools do, it isn't (wasn't) like OSU was full of choir boys. Their misdeeds don't do anything to undo OSU's misdeeds. I just don't see why it has to be fair coverage. Hell, the fact that OSU is in the headlines more should tell you what the populace thinks about OSU-They are simply a bigger story than Michigan, no matter how insignificant the issue.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Oyster on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:58pm #

My gripe is the arrogance of ttun fans that they are above everyone. The fact is, every team has issues with their players. These are kids and kids get in trouble.

BrewstersMillions on 18 Dec 2012 - 3:04pm #

That's a valid gripe and sadly, when addressed about it, I'm sure they'd say "well its a traffic stop, OSU is worse".

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

tennbuckeye19 on 18 Dec 2012 - 3:08pm #

And then they would toss in something like: "Yeah, well at least we don't cheat."

Oyster on 18 Dec 2012 - 3:10pm #

For TENN, but when you go back at them that they do cheat, which is why they are on probation, they go into full spin about how the 'FREEP caused all that to happen, and besides, all the other schools do the same thing.'

Boom777 on 18 Dec 2012 - 9:18pm #

Don't forget we pay our players! And we recruit from prisons too.

Wherever you are, there you be!

HighBallAce on 18 Dec 2012 - 11:09pm #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-p2Whzh-VA

Oyster on 18 Dec 2012 - 3:09pm #

I'll give you a better example. When Klien was kicked off the team, pending the outcome of the charges, they all had cows that he could possibly be brought back. When I would counter with the Campbell laptop theft and why he wasn't kicked off ttun also, they claimed that he was still practicing because the legal proceedings were not over yet and his punishment would be dealt with at that point.

That is a fact, I had those discussions on a TTUN forum with them.

BuckeyeAsylum on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:37am #

Discussing anything w/ ttun fans is just a waste of time. I just see it as letting them enjoy their time, because their life is going to get much harder with the Urban train rolling through.

hail2victors9 on 19 Dec 2012 - 9:54am #

First, it was Frank Clark, not Will Campbell. Secondly, the State of Michigan has enacted the following for cases involving 17-20 year olds.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8628307/frank-clark-michigan-wolverines-sophomore-defensive-end-sentenced-probation

Holmes Youthful Trainee Act - State law allows a judge to place a youth between 17 and 20 who is alleged to have committed a crime and who has pleaded guilty to that crime to be placed in prison or on probation without a conviction to avoid a criminal record. Excluded from this program are youth who are charged with a felony for which the maximum punishment is life imprisonment, a major controlled substance offense or a traffic offense. This action protects the privacy of the offender while on trainee status. If the youth successfully completes the program, there is no criminal record. Imprisonment or probation cannot exceed three years.

It is what it is. The thing with theft is that the severity of the penalty, and its gravity, are based on the value of what was stolen. In Michigan, over $1,000 is Grand theft, a varying class felony. If he would've stolen a phone, an iPad, or even a Windows laptop, it wouldn't have been classified as a felony. Even if he stole $10 bucks out of his neighbor's dorm room, it doesn't make it right.

I personally think he should have missed 2-4 games, but under no circumstances (short of serving time) should he been booted from the team for a non-violent theft.

I never had much to say about Klein, but I remember the threads on 11w when he was accused of hitting his girlfriend or whatever. Most people here hoped he would be booted and were happy when he was. Then the girlfriend recanted the accusations and all charges were dropped and Mr. Klein returned to the team. Again, at best, it was split down the middle on 11W on whether he should've been reinstated.

These arguments about severity of penalties and whether the punishment fits the crime, etc. There is no right answer, but I do believe that if a kid is not legally retained, there is no reason for a coach to boot a player for a first time offense. Also, I think that Dui is more severe than domestic violence which is more severe than non-violent theft which is more severe than smoking weed. That's just my opinion, not necessiarily the legal opinion.

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Oyster on 19 Dec 2012 - 10:00am #

You are correct, it was Clark and I remembered that too late to correct because somebody responded. Campbell was the underage drinker who tried to do a Dukes of Hazard slide across a car and caused Felony damages. He never got much of anything either, and he pleaded down to tripping over a curb if I recall. Right?

hail2victors9 on 19 Dec 2012 - 10:13am #

He didn't miss any time. Again, it was only a potential felony because of the value of damages. I don't recall the penalty, but I believe it was lowered to a misdemeanor he paid fines and repaid the damages and paid the price [probably] running stairs at the Big House.

Seriously, though, if you're trying to make this criminal, give me a break. Just picture, a then, 325 pound beast of a man doing the dukes of hazzard slide after heading home from a bar. It's as criminal as peeing in the bushes (which is laughable). If you can't laugh at both of these situations, and realistically not try to foot the blame on either program/coach, then you need to lighten up. These kids are still college students. These are the stupid things college kids do. These types of things do not warrant suspensions and dismissals; especially on first time offenses.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

brglr14 on 19 Dec 2012 - 10:21am #

wow these are college kids and the stupid things they do? funny though if its OSU the hounds in stink town and other un savory places in college football want years of probation slapped and scholies lost and bowl bans and no matter what the issue is at OSU its never just that. all the trolls think theres always more to it.

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Oyster on 19 Dec 2012 - 10:24am #

I can laugh at both of them, and I do. See above where I said all teams have issues. What I find amusing is the degree to which some of you people find nothing wrong with some events and explain them away, yet a similar event deserves the harshest punishment possible. And in 99% of the cases, it is the player from another team that should get the max, and the ttun player just made a youthful mistake. You can't have it both ways.

Also, he was underage when this happened. Why was he publically intoxicated?

gobucks96 on 19 Dec 2012 - 11:52am #

Sorry, but having your senior QB getting nailed for driving with a suspended license and expired tags at 1:30 in the morning after an away game while being unable to play due to an injury is embarrassing to say the least.

Now I'm not saying that Michigan is anything other than another program for these incidents. It's just the senior QB should be held to a higher standard, IMHO. Otherwise, you we have a great reference as to what can happen.... Hoke not making Denard an example on this is a lost teachable moment, as he likes to say. Missing the court date and having an arrest warrant issued is a complete joke, without an excuse.... That is another story where I cannot understand someone not getting upset over...

hail2victors9 on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:04pm #

Huge difference between a bench warrant and an arrest warrant. It's a poor reflection on Denard more than anyone else. Like someone said at the top, it's essentially a traffic violation. Denard was an idiot not to just renew his license. There is no excuse for it, but no one should be calling Hoke out for it. Who's to say that he even knew about it before it was resolved. I doubt the coaching staff talks to every player on or before their birthday to remind them of something that is common knowledge.

I was ticketed because I had my truck parked on the street in front of my house with expired tags. I wasn't driving it around, and had it been in my driveway, I wouldn't have been, but since it was on the street, I received a ticket.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

gobucks96 on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:18pm #

It's a reflection of Denard first, then the football team. Your leader of the team had a suspended license (why?), then didn't pay for whatever the reason to get his tags updated (just plain stupid). Then, he forgets to show up for the court date after screwing up. Hoke does deserver some crap for it, because he's not doing anything to Denard. It's showing his prescedence on the matter. Clear and simple...

As far as talking to the player about his tags, maybe if that was it sure. But, he's showing a complete disregard for everything here. No responsiblity for himself on multiple fronts..

As to your reference, you weren't the starting senior Qb on a full ride, driving on a suspended license and expired tags at 1:30 in the morning just after an away game that you sat out the game due to an injury. It's the entire picture that's the problem, not any one of the minor issues that were combined.... and it's rather odd that most michigan fans are passing it over, after the greif they give to other schools..

hail2victors9 on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:12pm #

@Oyster

Yes he was weeks away from 21, a senior in college. He broke the law that millions of college kids break every year on or near campuses across the world. I drank before I was 21. If you drink at all, I'm willing to bet you did, too. If you went to a local bar and were [responsibly] walking home [instead of driving] then that's public intox.

Not saying no wrong was done, but I would defend an OSU player in the exact same manner (after poking fun, of course).

I can't speak for the entire Michigan fan base, and you may say that Michigan fans are worse than OSU for Pot/Kettle syndrome, but I think it happens everywhere...the whole "Holier than thou" thing.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

buck-I.8 on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:22pm #

I try to be as unbiased as possible, and thus, stay away from the polarizing issues, but in this case, I'll add my input:

UM is arguably the best combination of athletic and academic acheivement available in the B1G. In the modern era, they have been inferior athletically, as can be demonstrated by looking at the brand value of both schools for football, being the leading revenue sport. Michigan's brand value is in tradition, of being a historic football power, while OSU has pure brand dominance rivaled only by Alabama nationally, and when looking at fanbase, there is no equal. OSU is seen a current football power, while Michigan is playing catch up from a relative regression in the past 15 years.

What this causes, is what I believe to be a reliance on academics. UM fans will often (be they alumni or not) play the academic card, because in the past decade, it's all they've had in the way of superiority in the past decade. In what I assume to be well-intentioned pride for their academic institution, UM fans will often gloat about being marginally superior over OSU and MSU, because recently, it's all they've had. The result has been, the status-obsessed, WASPy, "holier than thou" attitude that we've pointed out.

So yeah, it does happen everywhere at times, but Michigan fans are generally more on the lean towards the arrogant side, but one hopes that with a return to relevance in football and basketball, this may change slightly.

gobucks96 on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:29pm #

Alot was made of Terrelle and how out of control he became, and I won't argue that he wasn't. I see alot of similarities in this instance.... However, Michigan has taken shots at OSU over their problems and been "supposedly" strict towards their own players at times. It's looking to be very selective in that process now....

buck-I.8 on 19 Dec 2012 - 1:14pm #

It just admittedly bothers me that UM fans can look at a recent scandal that garnered no competitive advantage, and say "oh, they're cheating, that must be why we couldn't beat them." It's a generalization, sure, but to use the excuse that a few players got paid over Tressel's years leading to a decade of dominance is just childish, and yet, lots of fans truly believe it. I don't agree with a lot of what happened under Tressel's regime, and frankly, unlike the Paterno apologists with their heroes, I believe it was time for Tressel, Gene Smith, and Gordon Gee to go, not all for the same reasons in whole. But to say these indescretions take anything away from the program is foolish, and it's just a weak grasp of moral high ground.

Oyster on 19 Dec 2012 - 1:23pm #

Unlike an advantage of practicing more than you are allowed would give you an advantage on the field, like a certain team that is currently on probation was doing. I have never seen a tattoo make a tackle.

Now, those people will claim that it gave OSU an advantage because it was used as a recruiting tool and they got better athletes through the process. I counter with this. Certainly there is a player for another team that was recruited by OSU and chose a different school. Why haven't they came out and exposed the behind the scenes actions during their recruiting process? Because they never happened perhaps?

Oyster on 19 Dec 2012 - 12:43pm #

For hail

I'm one of those guys that could drink at 18, legally. For those that may remember, Green caps and Red caps.

As for team discipline, regardless of what the law may read, these kids are representatives of the school and need to be held to a higher standard. The number one reason is to discourage bad behavior from others and to show the public that the coaches are taking steps to enforce a code of conduct. Now, when fans poo poo bad behavior from the team of their choice, but yell FOUL at the top of their lungs for a similar action for another school is laughable in my opinion.

I will say that you seem to have a reasonable head on your shoulders in this matter and we more than likely see things the same way.

(don't take this as me wanting to be your friend though, ok?)

One Bad Buckeye on 18 Dec 2012 - 4:27pm #

I'm okay with that....for us to get more press than other schools over something a player has done, regardless of severity, it means we're obviously the premier school in the conference.....not SCUM.

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buck-I.8 on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:05pm #

Dont think anyone ever thought he was a smart guy

LouGroza on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:07pm #

They are on quite a roll up there in AA.

buckz4evr on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:15pm #

Did I miss something? Why was his license suspended in the first place. They usually don't do that for minor violations ....

Doc on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:26pm #

He got busted for eating and driving. They suspended his license for that.

NW Buckeye on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:32pm #

So is that a habit he picked up from Hoke?

Northbrook on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:36pm #

That's a federal rap if you're a mailcarrier.

One Bad Buckeye on 18 Dec 2012 - 6:59pm #

Oops

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One Bad Buckeye on 18 Dec 2012 - 4:36pm #

I just ejected partially chewed food because of your comment, hahaha! I just imagine him driving around spooning air into his mouth.

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Doc on 18 Dec 2012 - 7:08pm #

My bad, but that's the visual I was going for.

BME_Buckeye on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:43pm #

Trolling Michigan State in East Lansing during the down time after winning his first and only game over MSU... Denard stay classy.

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BrewstersMillions on 18 Dec 2012 - 2:53pm #

Best. Trollface. Ever.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

gobucks96 on 18 Dec 2012 - 3:01pm #

Dude was stopped on Nov. 4th for this, then he had a warrant out because he skipped his court appearance. Suspended license, expired tags (his birthday is in September!)....geez.

tennbuckeye19 on 18 Dec 2012 - 4:51pm #

must be really tough to fit a trip to the DMV into a college football player's schedule.

must also be really tough to fit a court appearance into a college football player's schedule.

HighBallAce on 18 Dec 2012 - 9:03pm #

You know if that were tOSU, somehow we are all a bunch of cheaters all over again! As if driving under suspension somehow effects their ability to score touchdowns....lol Just like pee'ing on a nursery was some kind of satanic ritual to gaurantee a perfect season....lol

bigbadbuck on 19 Dec 2012 - 1:09am #

Isn't that sort of behavior expected when the poor idiot can't even lace his shoes?

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.