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IMO this type of play should be penalized. No place for it in today's football...
I think it was
Yeah it was
My apologies.. That surprises me. I don't like the hit but it looks to be a legal hit under the current interpretation of the rules
It was a completely legal hit. Below the head, didn't spear, didn't launch. However, it was flagged.
That's what football should be, IMHO.
Agree 1000%.
Legal hit on a guy who was going to make the play (plus I loved it)
I have to agree with the commentators on that block, if it was 30 yards away from the play then yeah its a penalty. But Kenny Bell is doing his job, blocking a guy who has a chance to make a tackle on his teamate trying to score. Since its so close to the play I don't think it should have been penalized like it was.
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
But it was a pretty high hit and this is coming from a kid that had to quit because of head injuries if he woulda not hit him in the head/neck area then I don't have a problem with it
He hit him square in the shoulder.
I understand this is a dangerous play but in reality it nothing more than a legal block. In my opinion if you penalizd this, you might as well penalize a blitzer who blind sides a quarterback. Now if the defensive player has no chance of making a play, then sure penalize him. However the Wisconsin DB on this play had more than a reasonable chance to make a tackle. Scary hit, but football is a very dangerous game. Just my opinion.
Are you being serious? Why should this play be penalized?
It was a legal block, no doubt about it in my eyes.. I dont think it should be legal because I think the crack back block is more harmful than good. We penalize the defense for a hit on a defenseless receiver, I would argue that this is no different. If you look at the defenders eyes, he has no clue of what is coming. Why did Bell have to knock him back to last week in order to block him? That's all I'm saying.
Isn't it the defender's fault for not knowing it was coming? The first rule in any position where you could take a hit is to always have your head on a swivel. The defender should have been aware to what was going on. It wasn't a high hit, it was dead center in the shoulder. Nothing wrong, nothing malicious.
I agree that he did nothing wrong.. Not so much on the malicious aspect. Agree to disagree
We should take all the pads off of the players and give them all a set of flags so there aren't any tackles either. We'll just play flag football instead or Maybe we can get more of a variety of players out there so they can all play patty cake. When you sign up for football, you are fully aware of the good and bad that can happen. If you don't like the contact then go watch soccer and enjoy the yellow and red cards.
Purple Raider
He's within five-eight yards of the football. + It was not behind the play. + Defender is a db which means he very likely has the speed to make the play. = Hit his a**.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
JACK TATUM
today's football? nothing wrong with it in my book. what is he suppose to do let him make the tackle? you don't want to get hit like that then don't play the game. I have been on both sides of those kind of plays. coach would tell us, better look out next time, he didn't bitch that a call wasn't made he knew it was FOOTBALL. Not the glee club.
Flagging this play was a complete atrocity. There was nothing illegal about the hit, no helmet-to-helmet and it did not come from the back. Kenny Bell did something most receivers don't have the gumption to do, block; I applaud him for that.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
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In today's football, this play is penalized (unfortuneatly). Nothing about this play was illegal however. Feet stayed on the ground, didn't lead with helmet, hit the kid dquare in the chest. Only problem is "today's football" throws a penalty on any hit in which a player is decleated. BS IMO
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I agree. When will players learn to greet opposing players with hugs and kisses instead of clean monster hits?!?! It's hits like these that are the reason I would rather watch soccer than football. I mean you can't even see the pretty faces on the football players because they are wearing helmets (so frustrating)! The only way I might be convinced that watching football is better than soccer is if next time a receiver is coming across the middle of the field, he is stopped by a linebacker who presents the receiver with a hand sculpted ivory dove and tells him how much he appreciates his hard work and respects his talent.
You're right, making a block is not something people should do in football .... wait, yeah it's legal.
JT
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~Because we couldn't go for three~
agreed. like the announcers said, that's football. bell led with his shoulder and hit the db in the chest, not the head/neck. definitely scary, especially how the guy landed after he ate the block, but not worthy of a penalty when the db in pursuit was so close and had a good angle at a tackle. if bell lays off and misses the block, he gets reamed out by his coaching staff. obviously didn't affect the outcome of the game at all but that's the intensity we want our WRs playing with regardless of the score
I agree that it was legal and Bell was doing his job, but I don't like seeing stuff like this. At the end of the day it's the kid's health and well-being we are talking about. Legal- YES! Did I feel comfortable when I saw it? NO!
This is still my favorite hit
Agree. This was awesome.
I remember that Dumas hit; good one.
I bet in today's climate, he would have been flagged (at least for taunting!)
Led with the crown of the helmet too. Defintely would have been a flag today.
Completely disagree.. Hit him in the chest as the ball got there.
Both hits are legal, IMHO.
As far as the wisky player goes, he injured his head when he hit ground..
I may be wrong, but I don't believe it's legal to lead with the crown of the helmet no matter where the contact is.
A great, hard legal hit.... Is he supposed to wait until the defender looks at him before he blocks him? No, he is trying to spring his receiver for a TD. Not his fault he was on a deep route and he is trying to block a defender trying to tackle his teammate.
Beautiful legal hit. I have been blind sided before, legally, just like that. I got up, said good hit to the guy, went to side line and had to pop my shoulder back in, but that was a clean hit and I love it. That ref is wrong... This ain't Sarcastaball....
Agreed 100%. Big Ten refs being Big Ten refs. Shoulder to shoulder, below the head/neck, didn't launch. It's the defender's fault for not having his head on a swivel if anything.
Do you think defenseless player should work for offense and defense? With NFL, NCAA, etc. all focusing on player safety it seems to me that this is one of the first things that would change. Hines Ward made a career of this
IMO there is a difference going up to catch a ball and being defenseless and running to make a tackle and being defenseless. It was the DB's fault his head was not on a swivel, you know? If I was the coach, I would say "If your teammate is running to score, and you can lay down a block like that to spring him, and you can make sure its a legal hit, go for it. Make the block"
Word.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
There should be no such rule as a defenseless receiver. Dumb rule.
Purple Raider
This is by no means a "defenseless player" see the NFL rule here:
“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .]
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
[. . .]
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.”
Part a2 is where to look. In this situation, the Wisconsin DB is clearly a "runner" and "capable of avoiding the hit" (all he had to do was glance to his right). Also, it is not illegal to simply hit a reciever deemed defenseless. Part b of the rule states that only illegal contact, such as hitting the player in the head or leading with your head, should be penalized.
So in looking at this play, the player was not defenseless by rule, and the Bell did not commit any illegal hit. Therefore, no penalty should have been called
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
While I agree that this shouldn't be flagged, I stop really listening to this argument at "NFL" rules... Not NFL, use college rule book for college games. Ultimately, if dude doesn't see it coming, that's on him, and what a damn hit. It'd be nice to remove the injury from that kind of hit, but that is what it is.
I posted this because there is no college rule for a "defenseless player." NFL is the only place in which a rule is in place to protect said defenseless players, and the argument above was that college should implement that rule as well.
The reason I put this here was to say that even if the NCAA adopted the defenseless player rule, this would not be a penalty.
Apologize for the confusion
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I actually thought this was a great hit. The defender was going after the ball and close enough to make a play. The blocker had his head in front of the defender and hit him in his upper torso. Unfortunately this is a product of the athletes we have today. Everyone is bigger faster stronger and when you have top notch athletes running around full speed and collide hits are gonna look nasty.
I thought it was a penalty by the current rules. I'm open to debate it, but tried yesterday and got nowhere.
Its football. Hits like that should be legal. It was a fair block and if you dont have your head on a swivel then expect to get blasted.
Flagging this play is analogous to giving a traffic ticket to the tree after you crash into it with your car.
Yeah absolute BS that this play was flagged. Terrible. It's a violent game. You don't like it? Don't play. Don't watch. You don't want to get hit like that? Have your head on a swivel. I'm all for penalizing thug hits, targeting, attempting to injure, etc. But to penalize someone for a legal hit because "it was too hard" basically, no, that's wrong.
Class of 2010.
First of all to the guys posting that this should be a flag..... Shame on you. Go watch Twilight.... My boy Herm Edwards said it best... "you play to win the game" That block was with all intent to aid his reciever in scoring a touchdown. Fufilled all requirments of a legal hit. Then got unjustly flagged for making an absolute crushing block, which has happend so many times this season my head is spinning. Additionally he did not celebrate his hit, he turned to see if his guy was scoring... Gus Johnson is my favorite announcer for calling out the refs on this one. I wish He had our games instead of Beth Mowins..... If you dont wanna see a guy get hit like that go to your local rec center and watch inturmural flag... Football is Football. Instead of altering the game maybe spend more money and effort improving equipment.
I disagree with you, I'm up for a debate as long as you can respect my opinion. I tried this yesterday and it didn't work out very well at all. I didn't realize how passionate people were about this.
I read through above, didn't see where you stated why this should be penalized. What exactly do you find illegal about this hit?
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Most of my opinion is in the Thursday Skull Session, but here's my logic:
1. This is a bang-bang play where the official does not benefit from slow motion.
2. As the blocker goes in, he leads with his head, but does turn at the last second to hit with his shoulder.
3. Before the impact, the blocker does crouch, plant his feet and explodes in an upward movement towards the head/neck region.
4. Despite contact being slightly above the numbers, you see the blocker's head and forearm rise up high, again to the head/neck region.
5. After contact, the defender is completely decleated- feet over his head, making it look like he was hit high.
and now the most important points....
6. The NCAA has made it a point to crack down on 1. high hits, 2. helmet to helment / leading with the head, 3. targeting and unnessary roughness (catch all stuff)
7. The NCAA rules say "when in question, it is a foul"
So, in a bang-bang play, it happens so fast that you're never quite sure (#1). But in a bang-bang play where it appears that the blocker leans in with his head (#2), explodes upwards, or at least moves from a lower position to a higher position, near the head/neck region (#3), finishes the block with his forearm and head at or above the defender's head/neck (#4), and decleats the defender in a manner that is consistent with a high hit (#5), I see why this was called a penalty, especcialy when your boss is telling you that these plays need to be called. And if you listen to Mike Perarra, the FOX officating guru, he even says that "this is the exact play the NCAA wants to crack down on." And finally, my least important point, but most humane - I want the NCAA to call this if this is my kid or my team. I understand the blocker was trying to do his job, but at the same time, he didn't have to go as high as he did, he could have just gotten the way. There is no reason he had to go about his block like that - I think the block was high (maybe not at the neck, but close) and he did put his weight into it, as in he tried to make a big impact. I understand that its football, but if we are able to teach guys how to tackle without the crown of the helmet, to avoid helmet to hemlet, to lay off the runner out of bounds, and not to drill the WR in the back when he's in the air and drops the ball, then surely we can teach them how to block without doing what the blocker does. I think we are making football more like flag football, and it's debatable whether or not we're taking away from the game by targeting hits like that as penalties. But the rules are the rules and everyone knew before the season that refs were going after stuff exactly like that.
Hit him in the chest, didn't leave his feet. I'm really not sure where you're getting that he launched or hit him high. There is nothing illegal about decleating someone. Perhaps the reason people won't argue with you is because you haven't seen the play in slow mo, and therefore you still think he hit him high when clearly it's in the chest
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
It's very dificult to debate or argue with someone when 1. they don't actually understand what I'm trying to say (at my fault or theirs), and 2. are so opinionated that they refuse to see or try to understand my viewpoint. I have been reasonably disaapointed with the community in their (in)ability to debate this because there's no back and forth on it, it's just me being uneducated or ill-informed (even though the experts are on my side...the irony)
I have watched it in slow motion, and in fact, I said exactly that above - to recap, I said that it happened so fast and there were questionable features of the play that will result in it being called a penalty 90% of the time. He lead in with his helmet (but turned last second - you should see this in slow motion) and launched upwards (you can also see this launch on slow motion if you watch the back foot which does go into the air as the weight shifts to the front foot - this all points to the fact that the defender was trying to hit someone - this is then important because it invokes safety concerns which the NCAA is cracking down on). Also watch the results of the contact- one guy gets decleated and falls over in a manner consistent with a high hit and the guy delivering the hit has an explosion of his head and forearm upwards, right at the head neck region of the defender. I'm not going to go through the video and freeze the points I'm talking about to illustrate these points, but I do think you can see what I talk about in slow motion. Refs don't benefit from slow motion, they are forced to make these calls without that benefit. It was clearly a questionable play, but the NCAA says, "when in question, it is a foul."
And again the most damning evidence that no one will listen to was from Mike Pereira - "This is the exact thing that they want called."
I do agree that at full speed it looked like a penalty and will almost always get called. All I'm trying to point out is the fact that in slow mo, I don't see a penalty here. As you said in slow motion, he does not hit him with his head, but rather his shoulder. I did not pause the video at impact but to me it looked as if his feet, or at least one foot, remained in contact with the ground. As far as Pereira's quote, if this what they want called, change the rule to "if a player is decleated, it is a personal foul."
Once again, I agree this will get called a majority of the time. Certain violent hits should be called, I just don't think this was a penalty after viewing it in slow mo.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
So we're not that far apart. I think the point of the rule is to make guys think before they do something like this, same as hitting the QB after a throw or a receiver over the middle. I think we would both agree that that guy could make that block without the big collision - obviously one is more entertaining than the other. The rule is in place so that next time he's in that position, he remembers that he got flagged for the big block and instead he makes a block without compromising anyone's safety - its why the NCAA is calling anything questionable - they are seeking culture change. If that happens then this rule has done its job.
The fact that we are even having this conversation speaks to the wussification of America. Last I checked this was football, not tiddlywinks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCivPIx7Q7Q
^Love Shaziers hit on Cal QB Maynard, as well as Williams throwing' their RB down a lil late but no flag ha.
That was really sweet. I totally forgot about that hit. upvoted
Agreed, not sure why the other players didn't get pumped after that. Simon just patted his helmet and looked at Maynard who almost blew out both of his knees on the landing lol. Love Shaziers "don't phuck w/ me" walk after.
EDIT : Ahh finally figured out how to put vidoes on here so you don't have to click the URLs lol
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love this hit great find