he had some kind words for Butch Jones and said something along the lines of him being a great coach and turning that program around but i wouldn't look into that too much. This could go to NSD but I believe he's a favorable lean right now
There was an interview with Vonn after last week's game (you likely posted it haha) where he mentioned setting up "visits" as opposed to the "taking one official visit to the school he's committing to" line that we'd been hearing previously. He just said it off-hand, so I don't know that he'd changed his mind necessarily, but I do think there's a possibility there that he might have decided against only doing the single visit. Especially if the OP is correct on that and "other teams are still in it."
But, as you said, no official word yet so it's hard to make heads or tails really.
I like the fact that Bell has set an OV to OSU... The only downfall would be is if he takes an OV to Bama in January. They could tout 3 national titles in 4 years. Hopefully Bell's relationship with Urban overrides Bama's titles.
I'm unsure of what his parents look like, but I believe his dad on his left, and mother on the right, Urban is checking out that brunette chick as well
I'm reading around sites here, and most of them are coinciding with Lance Thompson not being there (his recruiter from Bama) and people who say Tennessee have a play for Bell, no coaches were spotted. So everything seems to be pointing in the right direction from what we have been seeing and hearing.
This above is making me laugh uncontrollably this morning...thanks guys...I needed it;-) This Al Pacino reference from Heat made me think of this too...enjoy...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
This is his daughter if the photo below that Gene has identified the girl in the pic to be Nicki Meyer. He is looking at the back of her head anyway guys. That look is of being a proud father and nothing else.
I agree. Of course people - downvote the idea of removing a picture that deceptively shows our head football coach (?). Why is this on a pro-OSU site? Am I wrong...or is this a scUM site?
Before we knew that was his daughter in the pic - I didn't think he was looking down, it was just a picture where he was looking ahead, but jokes were made. I get that the pic was posted before we knew who the girl was, but now that it's clear it's his daugther...this is still up becaaaaause? hmm.
The same reason the other pic is still up, it's Urban Meyer, it's relevant and it involves recruiting. Don't hurt yourself thinking about it too much it's not worth it. Just a picture, nothing more, people make jokes, so what it's called having a sense of humor.
I know - I get that...and I love what you do on the site here. I also know you didn't take that pic, but just posted it. I'm just saying whoever took the pic was trying to ridicule Urban Meyer.
I just thought it was a little disrespectful, that's all.
I'm sure a lot of other people on here would feel the same way if some wiseass took a picture of their dad and sister.
Gene....you must face it brother....most these days lost their sense of humor. I think it's hereditary these days...it gets passed down from others who don't have a sense of humor. It's science...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
hmmm maybe I missed something. I have a sense of humor and all, but I just don't find a picture where people try to act like a father is checking out his daughter....funny. It just wasn't that funny
It's the difference between "literal" meanings and humorous ones...that may have been what you missed.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Actually, I think that makes it all the funnier. If you can't make fun of your head coach once in a blue moon, don't you think that you are taking it a little too seriously? It is not like Urban Meyer is some sort of saint, despite his namesake. To be a head coach at the level that Meyer is, you have to be at least halfway insane. You have to make questionable moral choices every single day. You have to put football ahead of everything in a person's life that actually matters. If we can't poke some fun at the dude, we are being seriously way too sensitive to a guy that I will guarantee that if you really saw what his life is like, you would not envy him or probably even like him.
I used to like that beer...then one morning I woke up with oranges every where....not sure what happened.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Ok well this is just urban combatting the fact that Saban clealry brings dumb Bama coeds to lure in recruits. It's as if he's saying "Look, Vonn. My daughter is both attractice and she can count to 5. There's a whole world of these women waiting at OSU."
Here is my train of thought on the whole situation.
The Alabama DB coach Jeremy Pruitt just accepted the Florida State DC job, and Nick Saban just accepted a DB commit Johnathon Cook, that should play Bell's position if he was to go to Bama. He must know that Bell is going elsewhere, otherwise Saban wouldn't have accepted Cook's commitment. Also no Bama coaches were spotted at Vonn Bell's game. All of this points to Bell being a Buckeye.
I could be looking into it too much, but this is what Bama is giving me to work with here. I'm thinking this OV could actually be true.
I heard that Saban and the coach in charge of Bell's recruitment were at the game, but nothing definitive.
However, Pruitt wasn't the coach scouting Bell, and Cook doesn't play the same position in the secondary, so I would think Bama is still in play. If Bell has already made his intention to play at OSU clear, it likely has little do with the goings on at Alabama.
"Incognito" is very possible for Saban as the devil, as we know, takes many forms. Be on the lookoout for reports of a security guard with a particularly sunburnt complexion and pointy tail.
Great info on new Bama recruit (and I wonder if Tide fans are freaking about taking a 3-star?) that has me feeling good about Bell. Whomever he chooses, I like the way that he's handled the process. Very mature.
The play-by-play announcers in the link that Derek gave last night (GPB I believe was the station?) said that coaches from Alabama and Georgia (among others) were at the game. They didn't clarify which coaches specifically, though. It's possible they were wrong, but they spoke as if they'd seen them themselves.
Neither Thompson nor Saban were at the game if they were trust me we would have heard about it esp with the Meyer/Saban rivalry. Whats even more interesting if like Alex says its between Tenn and tOSU then why were no Tenn coaches at the game you would think with a new staff theyd at least try. I agree with Gene Bama has 4 db commits IIRC and not all of them will be playing CB. Also the pic with the coaches and Nicki i believe is after the game in which Vonn was tearing up and didnt want to leave the field so i guess Urbs made him feel better after the loss :)
When Urb says he wants you on campus, .... you go to campus. Good to see he is incorporating family time into work time. If he can't do that, we got no Urbs.
Rockstar- First off, awesome reporting. You rock. With Dymonte headed up north, we need a safety. Cook is listed as a corner, so ... I dunoh. Perhaps they think Bell is a lock and just didn't show? I really had doubts when he went to 3? Bama games this year and didn't show up at OSU. But it looks like Meyer has showed up at his school, and when that happens.....we'll ya gotta take the O visit.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone, all that we send into the life of others comes back into our own." -WWH
His visit is set up soon and I agree with Gene's logic...he's a Buckeye! No reason to jump up and down yet...but all signs are pointing in a positive direction.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Seen this story too many times with players and the whole 'Hes a Buckeye!' type of thought. Just wait and see here but it is in fact encouraging news, especially if the OV is true.
I was just wondering the same thing. Every source I've seen just leads back either to this thread or to a thread on scout. Rivals has a story called "Meyer Magic For Bell?" but I'm not an insider so I don't know if he establishes the OV date there. Haven't seen anything on twitter, scout, 247 or ESPN BuckeyeNation about it yet from insiders/staff.
Wish Ohhiyo could tell us where he got the original information (and quote from Vonn's dad).
On Rivals, Marc Givler basically says he heard as much from someone "more on the ohio state side of things" last night (whatever that exactly means) but is currently working today on confirming the official visit for January 11th with someone in the Bell party. I havent seen anyone confirm it.
Vonn Bell would be a huge get to the way our defense had shifted last year. We played a TON of 4-2-5 especially against teams that like to spread out the field. Having Burrows, Thompson, Bell and Worley will be huge with playing 2 safteys and a STAR so often.
^I bugged him with questions about it (lol), and he finally replied that he's currently trying hard to confirm whether Vonn is indeed visiting OSU Jan 11th. I imagine he'll post something on his twitter when he finds out.
Something will surface this week, tomorrow being the soonest it could be announced, which I am hoping for, I'm sure everyone will have their eyes peeled this week.
I really have a good feeling about this.... I can only imagine that Urban will call Vonn Bell telling him about a dream he had and it will seal the deal. :)
I just have this feeling that Urban has something lined up with the All America game and we will get some big commits that day. I think Bell will be one of those guys.
All of the fans here in TN are going nuts over Bell visiting. I don't think UT will get him because he wants to have a good relationship with the head coach and Butch Jones is too late to the party. I could be wrong tho.
I think they get North... He has had UT tops on his list for a while even when they were sucking. The other 2 I don't think they will get tho. If Green was smart he would give them a hard look. He could prob start from day 1.
I think Green would be better off at Auburn, assuming Michigan is off the table because ew. With Malzahn cleaning house, Aurburn still gets a top 10 recruiting class coming in, and have a fresh start. They don't have their marquee back yet (No offense to Jordan Wilkins), and Green can be a star, assuming that Malzahn is willing to run a similar power spread to what we ran this year.
I think Vonn has a great oppertunity to come here and help build a team and get his feet wet in coaching, even though Alabama is hard to turn down too and it's closer to home for him but Urbz is more personable than Saban and that's what I believe it will come down to. I think Tennessee is out.
Very Nice!
I thought he was supposed to commit then take an OV to that school?
he had some kind words for Butch Jones and said something along the lines of him being a great coach and turning that program around but i wouldn't look into that too much. This could go to NSD but I believe he's a favorable lean right now
Where did this information come from?
From the Scout forums I think it surfaced from
So I would imagine a HUGE grain of salt needs to come with it
Yeah, don't get excited just yet, awaiting to hear from a reliable source
If true then that means he is committed to Ohio State. He said he would announce after the game and only take one OV to the school he's committed too.
This hasn't been confirmed from a reliable source, so take this thread FWIW
It could also mean his coach was wrong
It would be really super-cool if his coach wasn't wrong...
"The revolution will be televised."
There was an interview with Vonn after last week's game (you likely posted it haha) where he mentioned setting up "visits" as opposed to the "taking one official visit to the school he's committing to" line that we'd been hearing previously. He just said it off-hand, so I don't know that he'd changed his mind necessarily, but I do think there's a possibility there that he might have decided against only doing the single visit. Especially if the OP is correct on that and "other teams are still in it."
But, as you said, no official word yet so it's hard to make heads or tails really.
I heard Meyer met with Vonn Bell after the game in the locker room, then this report of an OV surfaced. I'm trying to do some research here.
Heard the same on other sites as well. Looking good for the good guys.
I. am. so. GIDDY!
Me Likey..hope it is true!!
Yes there are two Buckeyes in Ann arbor on this site!
I like the fact that Bell has set an OV to OSU... The only downfall would be is if he takes an OV to Bama in January. They could tout 3 national titles in 4 years. Hopefully Bell's relationship with Urban overrides Bama's titles.
Urban was seen on TV talking to his parents during the game, just that I would throw that in there
I'm unsure of what his parents look like, but I believe his dad on his left, and mother on the right, Urban is checking out that brunette chick as well
I'm reading around sites here, and most of them are coinciding with Lance Thompson not being there (his recruiter from Bama) and people who say Tennessee have a play for Bell, no coaches were spotted. So everything seems to be pointing in the right direction from what we have been seeing and hearing.
She's either got a great ass, or he found his safety
TOS is saying that's his daughter #awkward
This above is making me laugh uncontrollably this morning...thanks guys...I needed it;-) This Al Pacino reference from Heat made me think of this too...enjoy...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
yes, don't you feel akward now BUCK-I.8?
No
This is his daughter if the photo below that Gene has identified the girl in the pic to be Nicki Meyer. He is looking at the back of her head anyway guys. That look is of being a proud father and nothing else.
The brunette you are saying he is looking at is his daughter
Late to the party I see
This picture is deceiving...I think it should be removed b/c it gives people the wrong impression, imho
I agree. Of course people - downvote the idea of removing a picture that deceptively shows our head football coach (?). Why is this on a pro-OSU site? Am I wrong...or is this a scUM site?
Before we knew that was his daughter in the pic - I didn't think he was looking down, it was just a picture where he was looking ahead, but jokes were made. I get that the pic was posted before we knew who the girl was, but now that it's clear it's his daugther...this is still up becaaaaause? hmm.
So your saying your a Michigan fan and a Meyer hater? Got it. Thanks for sharing.
ahhh don't know what the hell you're talking about in regards about being a *ichigan fan?
I'm just thinking out loud - why is that picture still up?
The same reason the other pic is still up, it's Urban Meyer, it's relevant and it involves recruiting. Don't hurt yourself thinking about it too much it's not worth it. Just a picture, nothing more, people make jokes, so what it's called having a sense of humor.
I know - I get that...and I love what you do on the site here. I also know you didn't take that pic, but just posted it. I'm just saying whoever took the pic was trying to ridicule Urban Meyer.
I just thought it was a little disrespectful, that's all.
I'm sure a lot of other people on here would feel the same way if some wiseass took a picture of their dad and sister.
Meyer always has that look on his face so it can't be helped.
Gene....you must face it brother....most these days lost their sense of humor. I think it's hereditary these days...it gets passed down from others who don't have a sense of humor. It's science...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
hmmm maybe I missed something. I have a sense of humor and all, but I just don't find a picture where people try to act like a father is checking out his daughter....funny. It just wasn't that funny
It's the difference between "literal" meanings and humorous ones...that may have been what you missed.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Actually, I think that makes it all the funnier. If you can't make fun of your head coach once in a blue moon, don't you think that you are taking it a little too seriously? It is not like Urban Meyer is some sort of saint, despite his namesake. To be a head coach at the level that Meyer is, you have to be at least halfway insane. You have to make questionable moral choices every single day. You have to put football ahead of everything in a person's life that actually matters. If we can't poke some fun at the dude, we are being seriously way too sensitive to a guy that I will guarantee that if you really saw what his life is like, you would not envy him or probably even like him.
I used to like that beer...then one morning I woke up with oranges every where....not sure what happened.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
You deserve to be down voted for liking blue moon
^maybe both?
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
a boy can dream
Sorry dude. Meant to upvote you but it downvoted instead
From what ive read is that tOSU coaches are feeling really really good about where they stand in this race.
I was a doubter, didn't think he would come here because of all the bama vists. This is awesome news to see
Wherever you are, there you be!
Hopefully he pulls the trigger for the good guys... otherwise seeing Urban sandwiched in between his parents is the biggest tease ever.
Everett Withers, Vonn Bell, Urban Meyer & Nicki Meyer
Vonn seems to be a kid that really places a priority on family. So coach meyer brings his daughter to the game.
Love it
Well, it helps that she attends Georgia Tech...so it would have been a shame if she wasnt there...
What I find interesting about this photo is that Nicki Meyer is bigger (not an insult to her) than Vonn Bell. How tall is this kid supposed to be???
Nicki is 5'6"
Bell is 6'1"
Just an illusion given off from the photo, it's not exactly a front view lol
The sites actually say he is 5'10 1/2
That's incorrect, needs updated. He was probably that tall when he was a sophomore in high school. He's at least 6 feet tall.
Plus 247 is cosidered one site, not sites. All other sites have him 6'1". Which is more accurate right now.
there are these weird things called high heels girls wear that may have contributed to this illusion
She also plays volleyball for GT so keep that in mind
She doesnt look taller than him in the pic to me...
That's cool that his daughter went on the recruiting trip with him. Get some time with dad while he's working. Pretty cool.
She is FINE
Volleyball player, right?
Yes sir, Meyer's other daughter Gigi is also a Volleyball player for Florida Gulf Coast
Don't let Bobby Petrino find this out.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
+1
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone, all that we send into the life of others comes back into our own." -WWH
Can we keep this post about Vonn Bell and not the possible attributes of Urban's daughter.
Meh...yeah we can when get new info on bell. But im more than happy talking about Urban's daughter bein teh babezorzz
Ok well this is just urban combatting the fact that Saban clealry brings dumb Bama coeds to lure in recruits. It's as if he's saying "Look, Vonn. My daughter is both attractice and she can count to 5. There's a whole world of these women waiting at OSU."
Too bad she goes/ went to Georgia Tech.
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
WHOOOSH
Things you miss when you read too fast.
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
C'mon man, you know Urb follows these posts. Let's not piss him off.
P.S. Based on the score VB and team didn't fair to well.
I doubt our main man URB is getting on 11W to see what we have to say. Im just being a realist.
Well here's an update for you
Here is my train of thought on the whole situation.
The Alabama DB coach Jeremy Pruitt just accepted the Florida State DC job, and Nick Saban just accepted a DB commit Johnathon Cook, that should play Bell's position if he was to go to Bama. He must know that Bell is going elsewhere, otherwise Saban wouldn't have accepted Cook's commitment. Also no Bama coaches were spotted at Vonn Bell's game. All of this points to Bell being a Buckeye.
I could be looking into it too much, but this is what Bama is giving me to work with here. I'm thinking this OV could actually be true.
Thoughts?
Think you are on point Gene. Great work.
I heard that Saban and the coach in charge of Bell's recruitment were at the game, but nothing definitive.
However, Pruitt wasn't the coach scouting Bell, and Cook doesn't play the same position in the secondary, so I would think Bama is still in play. If Bell has already made his intention to play at OSU clear, it likely has little do with the goings on at Alabama.
Lance Thompson is his recruiter, but he doesn't coach DBs.
I haven't heard anywhere that Saban or anybody was there. Unless they were incognito.
Why would Bama offer and accept a 3* DB recruit on the same day, shortly before Bell's state game anyway??
Can't be all coincidence. Think positive for once! lol
I'm trying to be the voice of reason haha. I don't want everyone to get all excited about Bell, and then have him commit to Alabama.
That being said, if we steal Bell and Bosa from Saban this year, he might be calling for blood.
I know where you are coming from, I'm just trying to remain positive after last night
"Incognito" is very possible for Saban as the devil, as we know, takes many forms. Be on the lookoout for reports of a security guard with a particularly sunburnt complexion and pointy tail.
Great info on new Bama recruit (and I wonder if Tide fans are freaking about taking a 3-star?) that has me feeling good about Bell. Whomever he chooses, I like the way that he's handled the process. Very mature.
Bama gets like 40 3 stars a year, since they take 60 guys
The play-by-play announcers in the link that Derek gave last night (GPB I believe was the station?) said that coaches from Alabama and Georgia (among others) were at the game. They didn't clarify which coaches specifically, though. It's possible they were wrong, but they spoke as if they'd seen them themselves.
Only a select few said Saban and Kirby Smart were there, but there's no proof of it. Incognito like I said lol
I saw it reported Saban was there from the live chat for the game yesterday FWIW
#fingerscrossed
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
Neither Thompson nor Saban were at the game if they were trust me we would have heard about it esp with the Meyer/Saban rivalry. Whats even more interesting if like Alex says its between Tenn and tOSU then why were no Tenn coaches at the game you would think with a new staff theyd at least try. I agree with Gene Bama has 4 db commits IIRC and not all of them will be playing CB. Also the pic with the coaches and Nicki i believe is after the game in which Vonn was tearing up and didnt want to leave the field so i guess Urbs made him feel better after the loss :)
When Urb says he wants you on campus, .... you go to campus. Good to see he is incorporating family time into work time. If he can't do that, we got no Urbs.
Rockstar- First off, awesome reporting. You rock. With Dymonte headed up north, we need a safety. Cook is listed as a corner, so ... I dunoh. Perhaps they think Bell is a lock and just didn't show? I really had doubts when he went to 3? Bama games this year and didn't show up at OSU. But it looks like Meyer has showed up at his school, and when that happens.....we'll ya gotta take the O visit.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone, all that we send into the life of others comes back into our own." -WWH
His visit is set up soon and I agree with Gene's logic...he's a Buckeye! No reason to jump up and down yet...but all signs are pointing in a positive direction.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Seen this story too many times with players and the whole 'Hes a Buckeye!' type of thought. Just wait and see here but it is in fact encouraging news, especially if the OV is true.
So, just to be clear, there is no official confirmation of this correct?
I was just wondering the same thing. Every source I've seen just leads back either to this thread or to a thread on scout. Rivals has a story called "Meyer Magic For Bell?" but I'm not an insider so I don't know if he establishes the OV date there. Haven't seen anything on twitter, scout, 247 or ESPN BuckeyeNation about it yet from insiders/staff.
Wish Ohhiyo could tell us where he got the original information (and quote from Vonn's dad).
Pretty sure he got it from the Tennessee Scout boards
On Rivals, Marc Givler basically says he heard as much from someone "more on the ohio state side of things" last night (whatever that exactly means) but is currently working today on confirming the official visit for January 11th with someone in the Bell party. I havent seen anyone confirm it.
You would think it is a positive that he was reportedly in the locker room after the game and not Saban.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
This is why providing a source for your news is protocol.
EDIT: this was in reply to another post above yours, sorry about that
Vonn Bell would be a huge get to the way our defense had shifted last year. We played a TON of 4-2-5 especially against teams that like to spread out the field. Having Burrows, Thompson, Bell and Worley will be huge with playing 2 safteys and a STAR so often.
For anyone interested in whether the visit is a reality, keep a lookout for anything on Brad Bournival (ESPN Recruiting)'s twitter the next day or so:
https://twitter.com/bbournival
^I bugged him with questions about it (lol), and he finally replied that he's currently trying hard to confirm whether Vonn is indeed visiting OSU Jan 11th. I imagine he'll post something on his twitter when he finds out.
Miles will be ini touch with Vonn Bell's coach later this week most likely.
I think Bell and his coach have to sit down and discuss things, yet.
Something will surface this week, tomorrow being the soonest it could be announced, which I am hoping for, I'm sure everyone will have their eyes peeled this week.
I really have a good feeling about this.... I can only imagine that Urban will call Vonn Bell telling him about a dream he had and it will seal the deal. :)
Northland Grad 2006
All City 03/04/05 Baseball
All City 04/05 Football
D 2 Saginaw Valley State University.
...old wounds.
Florida got Floyd we have Meyer.... Who won that.... If a dream brings in Bell, I'll forget all about old wounds.
Northland Grad 2006
All City 03/04/05 Baseball
All City 04/05 Football
D 2 Saginaw Valley State University.
I won't argue with that.
We also got hankins
I just have this feeling that Urban has something lined up with the All America game and we will get some big commits that day. I think Bell will be one of those guys.
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Ridgeland HC Mark Mariakis says it will be known today whether Vonn Bell decides to officially visit #OhioState January 11th.
All of the fans here in TN are going nuts over Bell visiting. I don't think UT will get him because he wants to have a good relationship with the head coach and Butch Jones is too late to the party. I could be wrong tho.
They also think they are in great spots with Derrick Green, Marquez North and Carl Lawson too. My guess is they get none of them.
I think they get North... He has had UT tops on his list for a while even when they were sucking. The other 2 I don't think they will get tho. If Green was smart he would give them a hard look. He could prob start from day 1.
I think Green would be better off at Auburn, assuming Michigan is off the table because ew. With Malzahn cleaning house, Aurburn still gets a top 10 recruiting class coming in, and have a fresh start. They don't have their marquee back yet (No offense to Jordan Wilkins), and Green can be a star, assuming that Malzahn is willing to run a similar power spread to what we ran this year.
Any update on this...?
I think Vonn has a great oppertunity to come here and help build a team and get his feet wet in coaching, even though Alabama is hard to turn down too and it's closer to home for him but Urbz is more personable than Saban and that's what I believe it will come down to. I think Tennessee is out.