Rumor in Cincinnati today is that Purdue is not willing to offer Butch Jones enough money to be there next head coach. They are bidding against UC and Colorado for his services. That got me thinking? When is the B1G teams finally going to start spending? As a tribe fan, I watch in horror as our owner takes revenue sharing from all the teams that are making money and refuses to spend it to help the his team compete. I know we are talking about academic institutions that have other things to spend money on, but until schools like Purdue are willing to pony up the cash that they get from the B1G network (mostly funded because of teams like OSU,MC, Neb, Penn state) and spend on solid coaches like Butch Jones etc, then the conference football is destined to continue to suck.
This make anyone else as mad as me?
Is Butch Jones even worth a bidding war?
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
I don't know, but the fact that Colorado and UC were willing to give up more cash concerns me.
I don't see it as the B1G teams not speding the money, perhaps they don't think Butch Jones is worth over 2 million per year, especially if they can have Hazzel.
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right on cue.. Beliema to Arkansas
Agree 100%. Would be nice to see some other schools in the B1G step up (aside from OSU) and make a splash with a coahing hire!
That's why Brett left the Big Ten I heard he's getting 4 mill plus a year
If he was going to get 4 million per year, he'd be the 6th highest paid coach in college football. REALLY? he's not worth it. Now, if they could get themselves a really good coach, then 4 million is worth it, but I'm not paying Bielema like he's one of the top 10 coaches in America. He's not.
agreed he doesnt deserve meyer, saban, money
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It's a coaches market, always is. If a team wants a "proven" coach, they will have to pay for it.
Urban gets 4.3, I know there are incentives and things that can boost it over that, but what school would pay Urban Meyer money to get Bielema?
a school desperate enough to hire John L. Smith as their interim coach?
You have a good point about the big ten but having a low payroll and not winning in baseball is an excuse. See rays or a's.
I'm not as concerned with the other coaches being hired or the salaries being handed out. The reputation of the B1G will only improve when we beat SEC teams in bowl games. Obviously it starts with a great coach/recruiter, but I'm not really mad that the B1G, outside of the marquee programs, don't make big splashes in the coaching dept. I'm just happy we have a top 5 coach at OSU, who cares what the other programs do? Come playoff year the strength of the B1G won't matter as much provided OSUs non-conf schedule can net a quality win over a ranked opponent.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Look at basketball. You bring in matta, crean, belien, and smith, while ponying up cash to keep guys like painter and izzo, and look what happens.
Agree with other posters:
What good is all the BTN $$$$ we are getting if schools won't spend it?
Maybe I should not worry as long as we spend it?
I think we should all be concerned with what the rest of the conference does. Other BIG schools cutting corners and falling behind with staff and fascilities will negatively effect not only thier own brands and recruiting etc, but the new selection boards opinion of OSU and it's strength of schedule vs the PAC, SEC and BIG 12.
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That goes along with my thinking... it might just matter to the selection committee if we win all of our games against crappy B1G teams that won't pay for a decent staff. Argghhh, this is frustrating. At least we finally spent for a better staff thanks to UFM.
Meh, it's really not going to matter, that's exactly why they are going out and scheduling games with programs like TCU. They are going to do away with the 4 MAC level games per year. Play 3 or 4 really solid teams per year non conference and there will be at least 1 or 2 games in conference that will be tough as well. They'll be just fine.
This is the same RKansas that took a big swing and a miss with Les Miles last week? Wonder how Brett likes being a low second choice?
He is pretty similar to Miles minus the championship and a built in recruiting advantage due to location in Louisiana.
The Big Ten is cheaper than the Dolans?
/Duff'd It
No one is cheaper than the Dolans. I'm shocked that they're letting the front office offer Shane Victorino.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Thank god he turned them down. What a waste that would've been.
/Duff'd It
Now they can say they tried to spend money and "close" the checkbook for another year.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Or they could start actually drafting and developing talent. It's funny how lots of teams with cheap owners win but when the Indians don't win then it's all because of the payroll.
What were those words you used "drafting and developing talent"? Nope those are very foreign concepts to me as an Indians fan.
The owners who draft and develop talent aren't cheap, they spend money on quality scouts and coaches.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
That was for comparisons sake haha. Dolan recieves Yankee money on nothing, B1G spends Ohio State money on nothing.
So, who do you think Wisky makes a "big splash" and hires as Bret's replacement?
Chryst will be the first call but I don't know that he would leave Pitt after only a year...
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Depends on how long it takes Wisconsin to eliminate that funky Bielema smell.
Pretty identical situation in Auburn, brought back the coach that left for one year.
I thought about that, but I also think Arkansas State would be much easier to leave after a year than Pitt, especially considering the tenure of the previous Pitt coach.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Probably very true... but I think over the histiry of football we could find many that have done it. Wouldn't surprise me either way though.
Poison: Todd Graham found it pretty easy to make promises to Pitt and then abruptly leave them in the lurch. Oh wait . . . Graham does that with everyone.
That he does.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Bucky's 5th Quarter (SB Nation) is reporting that Chryst is Alvarez's first choice. Also seems like there's reports that Chryst is homesick--he's a Madison boy with a daughter still in high school there. They were talking to the guys at the Pitt blog, and it seems that--while they're still bitter about Todd Graham--they can't begrudge a guy for going home to his dream job in a totally unexpected--if unlucky--circumstance.
Good info, Hodge. Chryst was the brains behind Bert's two-year run (2010 and 2011), but the jury is still out on him as a HC. Chryst is probably an upgrade over Bert, but we'll see.
If the B1G does want to compete with the elite football teams, then I agree they need to be willing to spend more money on coaches. I'm relieved to know that tOSU is now willing to pay for quality coaches (including assistants). However, I'm not sure other schools always have the same flexibility. Some schools are probably trying to improve their facilities as well as pay for their other sports. Still, there are some big schools with great tradition in the B1G (tOSU, scUM, Nebraska, PSU), and those programs, at the very least, should be willing to pay for quality coaches.
In the end, we'll see if the B1G is serious about being elite in football in this day and age.
Is it possible that this revenue sharing thing the Big Ten has is actually holding these schools back from competing? What is Wisc incentive to spend more? They don't get a bigger share of the pie. Being an above average college football team in the Big Ten means Rose Bowl games and doing nothing still gets you a fat chunk of everyones money.
What incentive do Big Ten teams have to spend big money?
I would have to agree that the B1G needs to start to pay coachies to inclued the O and D cord. more money or even be on par with the SEC so that we can keep or good coachies and make the B1G stronger. The funny thing is that the SEC wants to say it is there players that is the differents in between us and them. In fact it is there caochies - AUB. (payed for title) that made the differents look at where they came from Sabin 3 titles Urbz 2 titles Miles 1 title all cam from B1G coaching back grounds.If you do not pay for great cord. for these type of coaches they will not stay long. The sec has robbed the crattle of coachies long enough pay these guys and keep them here.
Hmm. While I agree the top "choachie" staffs in the SEC have been instrumental in the player development, I would argue that oversigning has given many staffs second chances to find talent. That, and the southern US population growth, is why I think the SEC is considered the best conference.
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I think coaching has far more to do with it than anything else. Look at what Urban and this new staff just did. They took a 7 loss bad team and just made them 12-0 with the same cast of characters. Hire anyone else ,and this team doesn't go 12-0. Look at Michigan too. They go out and hire a high profile D-Coordinator, and their piss poor players from the DickRod days actually turn into a pretty respectable defense.
Great coaching makes the difference. Over signing has gone on for years down there, even when the B1G was a very good conference. Richt is a very good coach who doesn't oversign. Spurier is nuts but look at what he's done at South Carolina, back to back double digit win seasons in South Carolina? That's really pretty amazing considering that program's history. Muschamp turned around after 1 year. Florida doesn't oversign either. Look what happened to Arkansas with a coach like Petrino leaving. Then the worst oversigner of them all Houston Nutt, has teams who are just bad to mediocre every year. Saban is an amazing coach, he's about to win his fourth national title.
Even look outside of the SEC at what is going on. Notre Dame, despite having great recruiting classes has been bad for a long time, Brian Kelly gets the kids he wants through a couple of years of recruiting and now look at them. Louisville, with always was a pretty so so to bad football program, Petrino comes in and they are awesome, Kragthorpe follows, they are horrible, now Strong is there and they are building a nice program again. Look what happened at Ohio State when Tressel took over, year 2 he won a title, then look how bad we were when he left. There are just too many examples of coaches making a siginficant difference to programs for me to believe anything impacts the overall perfomance of a team than the coaching staff.