Since the season is over we can speculate on a story i heard....
A buddy of mine is in the administration at Solon HS, his superintendant was told by Aurora's football coach a story that was very interesting and has two sides people can choose to side with or both really...
Aurora's superintendant and HS coach were contacted by Urban Meyer last week while he was in the area, asked if he could meet them quickly for 10 minutes, no autographs, meet and greets etc...just wanted to meet a coach so when making recruiting calls he could put a name with a face, respectable no doubt. Of course Aurora made the accomidation and Urban showed up on time as he said. As the story was told, Urban was looking around while Aurora's coach was telling him about the season, Urban asked him off the topic "Did you watch our game last week??" Auroras coach responded, "the Michigan game, oh yea." Urban then asked, "did you find it odd how the fans reacted to Tressel?" HS coach responded, "not really he won them a national championship, they were excited", Urban paused and said," i found it odd because hes the reason were not playing in a bowl game"...Aurora's coach asked Urban, "Did you get a chance to talk to Tress?", Urban replied "No, why would i talk to him?"....
The reason for the post is to A.) Find out if this is a bunch of bologne, find it odd that administraters would make up a story like that, and my friend in the Solon system is pretty credible and he said that actual conversation took place! B.) See what kind of relationship if any Tress and Urban have. I like both sides of what Urban and the other coach had... I can see why people would love Tress, but can see why Urban would be pissed especially going 12-0 in major college football...
Just passing some info... thanks for any input
They don't have to like each other... it directly effects Urban, not us. I could go either way, it doesn't seem like Urban would be that cold to potential coaches. Sounds like he wouldn't a good recruiter if he did... and we all know that isn't the case.
There is no way to substantiate these claims, thus it is merely rumors. I hate rumors.
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I was thinking the same thing...Urban is pretty classy, but you never know these days, more might have been said but exaggerations happen as we all know... i only brought this up to see what kind of relationship Tress and Urban have with some factual relevance. I can see the possibility of some bitterness now that the bucks finished 12-0. These are very much rumors but thought it was interesting, and looking for some info.
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye....
I don't think Urban would make that remark to someone he has never met before. I believe he has a circle of trust and if he were to make that comment, it would be within that circle.
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Yeah that's not legit. So Urban is in a hurry, talking to some random high school coach he doesn't even know, and then asks him a totally off topic question about tressel? Like he's visiting for a couple minutes to make a connectoin and then he's all, "hey, fuck that guy amirite?"...just doesn't add up.
You can look at it this way, Urban could be asking those questions (if true) to feel out the area so he doesn't say the wrong thing when it comes to visits... Doing His Homework.
Capn, Make It So...
So, UM talks to a coach he has never met before about his feelings? Doesnt really make sense on any level. Sounds like your friend is a story teller.
Sounds like bs to me, but I got a buddy who's an expert in bs. Do you mind if I call him?
Urban claims to know about Ohio State history, but wouldn't understand why the fans reacted the way they did to one of the most beloved coaches in Ohio State history? Doesn't sound legit.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Does any one know what kind of relationship Tress and Urban have/had....
@ Highwire, I said the same thing to my buddy who told me the story....doesnt seem like thatd be a good recruiting tool haha, FWIW i told my buddy i could probably find out more facts from guys on this forum that are more factual... Thanks for any help!
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From what Shelly Meyer says the families know eachother quite well..
Capn, Make It So...
Meyer also said in one of his conferences about a month or so ago that JT was a good friend of his.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Urban Meyer is an EXTREMELY intelligent person! There's no way he would say something so unprofessional to a coach he doesn't even know!
who did you say this was again ? crank call, crank call...hang up, hang up !
Can't blame Urban if he is a bit perplexed by the reaction. It's not like the violation was old news. We were on the verge of 12-0 and here we are celebrating a guy who got us banned from post-season play. I understand why we celebrated with Tress but let's face it - it was still a bit weird to do it this year out of all years. Not sure the conversation went like stated but not surprised if something wasn't asked. Wasn't Urb a psych major?
I don't think it was weird to do t this year. To get the WHOLE 2002 team here from all over the country takes coordination. It was probably planned a while ago. Also, it was the ten year anniversary of the NC.
Why doesn't some one ask Bob Mihalik - Aurora HC - if this is true or not.
His contact info is readily available on www.aurora-schools.org - 11W Staff, anyone up to this?
In addition, let's call Joe Regano, the Solon superintendent, and find out if Bob Mikalik actually told him this story. My guess is that both guys wouldn't have a effing clue what we're talking about.
TFOX, you're buddy was feeding you a story. I'm sure if you think about it you'll realize that he had an agenda in getting you to buy this story.
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This thread accomplishes nothing and serves no purpose.
Did you just quote an old Jerky Boys crank call? If so - awesome, if not, awesome.
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Sounds like a bunch of bs to me.
Dumb thread. A third-hand story? And really fourth-hand, since we're hearing it from you.
Come on.
@ JDADAMS... the thread was to try to get some facts on Urban and Tress's relationship, and an interesting story line...I never implied anything was true, and not fighting against people who say its BS, I also told my buddy i thought it was bogus...so i guess to clarify for ya, the thread is to get some facts...
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye....
In no way trying to personally attack you. This type of thread will get you no facts, though, just arguments and rumor-mungering. I understand you'd love to know every detail of Urban's life and his relationship with Tress, but frankly it isn't our business. These discussions only divide people and start fights.
If UFM wasn't coach this year and led our team to a fantastic season, I hardly think the fans would've given Tress a standing ovation. Sorry, but in MHO, if the team had another season like last year, I don't see that happening. They may have applauded him, with a few boos mixed in, but cheering him like they did? No.
Edit: I don't think that conversation took place or was exaggerated. He knows he has been the recipient of the forgiven nature of our fans.
I don't buy it. As much as Urban researched the whole situation that was going on as he was considering taking the job, he would know that it was more than just Tressel that caused the bowl ban, and it was actually the stuff AFTER Tressel left with the booster that was the trigger for the bowl ban. Tatgate laid the foundation for a bowl ban. Tatgate alone and the booster stuff alone do not result in a bowl ban. Together, they do. He'd also understand the appreciation for Tressel.
Class of 2010.
Anybody can say anything - especially, about people in the public eye.
I would believe a staff member from 11W over a hear say story...that was my goal i guess, or someone who had some actual relationship with one of these guys.I wanted some detail so i can say its not true because i dont think Urban would be that unprofessional. Its an interesting point also whether you're bitter at Tress since it all fell on him, and as competitive as Urban is, I dont blame him for being mad if he was/is...This season would have been unbelievable with a major bowl appearance on top of a perfect season in his first year... I'd love to ask the Aurora coach personally but unfortuneatly im a no body and wouldnt get an answer im guessing. From people it came from, (superintendants and administration makes me wonder what was the deal with this story...)The thread doesnt divide any one, its just insight and opinion really. Choose to believe what you want and not judge others for any opinions. Im sure ill get a few down votes for this one lol
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye....
Everytime I have heard Urban mention Tressel, he mentions him in a positive way. I think the story is fake.
I totally agree.
If this is true, good for Urban. But at the same time we should thank Tress. Not for the 2002 Championship, because we have thanked him for that many times. But to thank him for screwing up and giving us a reason to hire Meyer. Tressel screwed up when he lied, he payed the price for the lie when he had to leave his post at OSU. But those same LIES have punished the players and coaches that were not involved in the tatgate scandal and are the same reason we are not only 12-0 this year but 12-0 and not going to a bowl game. Urban should be pissed.
But either way this is just a rumor until confirmed by someone. I find it kind of hard to believe that Urban would be that candid with someone he just met. The recruiting game does not only involve recruits. Coaches have to make impressions on those players high school coaches and bringing up the subject of the Tressel reaction and making the comment about how he is the reason they are not in a bowl game in front of someone Urban had just met seems a little far fetched to me at the moment. In short, Urban has waaay more to lose by this then gaining which is another reason I don't see him saying this. No disrespect to the OP, just my opinion.
So we're supposed to believe UM made these comments to two individuals he met for the 1st time? I don't believe it one bit...UM is alot smarter than that!!!
I have no idea why Urban would want to say something like this to a coach he doesn't know, but I don't have a hard time believing that Urban wouldn't respect JT. ESPN did a round table for how to "fix" college football last year I believe and Urban said get rid of secondary violations. His belief was that there shouldn't be acceptable levels of cheating, and a violation should be a violation. JT and Ohio State, though mostly because they self reported, had more secondary violations than anyone. Then we know about the major violations as well.
So, while I don't know that Urban actually said this stuff to some random high school coach, I could see him not having a very high opinion of Tressel, and him wanting to distance his program from the Tressel Era.
Urban knows how to not alienate the OSU fanbase. Publicly bashing Tress or any semblance of it would be bad. I find it much easier to believe this ^ than the original post.
I feel like this is a story Mike Bianchi would take and run with.
B.S. meter is sky high.
This story has about as much credibility as Congress, i.e. NONE. Likely somebody trying to drum up drama because they heard a partial conversation and turned it into hearsay four people removed.
It WOULD make sense for Coach Meyer to distance himself from Tressel because Meyer wants the program to be run the way he wants, not the way Tressel did it. I wouldn't care if this was true because Meyer is our coach not Tressel and Urbz will do what he thinks is best for the school and program.
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Honestly, this sounds like some academia egghead just ran with the same talking points they heard almost verbatim from ESPiN. The reason I say that is because watching the OSU/scUM game I heard Sean McDonough pretty spew the same ESPiN talking points, then heard the same line from ESPiN talking heads over the next few days. Sounds like somebody wasn't even creative in their lie, but just copied the ESPiN/media hackery talking points.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
Urban shouldn't care. He embarrassed Jim in the NC game and then took his job. But, I could see why he wouldn't care for Tress or vise versa, but I doubt he would actually say that espeically to a random HS coach.
I find this story quite unbelievable. I highly doubt Urban would share his personal feelings to a football coach he just met. What if the coach was a personal friend of Tressel's? I just don't buy it. ANd sure maybe there is a certain level of resentment that Urban feels towards Tressel and maybe he didn't like the fact that Tressel was there and that he received a standing ovation. But I think Urban would be smarter than to bring any of that up in that setting.
Also, as crazy as it sounds, the reality is, had Tressel not done what he did and got caught and left OSU, Urban wouldn't even be OSU's coach. SO while there's a part of me that will always love Tressel and always appreciate what he accomplished, if he doesn't leave OSU on bad terms, we don't have Urban as head coach now.
Especially since he's trying to retain relationships and carry them over with people that had been previously working with Tressel for years. It doesn't sound logical that the first thing he would do is come in and start bashing the guy they had their previous relationship with. Theonly way I feel like it would make any sense is if it was brought up to Urban and he said something along the lines that he thought it was maybe kind of strange and that report got overexaggerated
Your second paragraph is the first thing I thought of. I think UFM is quite happy to be at OSU & it is completely & totally due to Tressel & that situation. Had it not happened, Tressel is still the coach & UFM has no record at OSU. In every interview I ever saw, he talks highly of JT.
I'm claiming horse puckey on this supposed conversation which as the second commentor correctly stated, is an unsubstantiated rumor & nothing more.
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This just sounds weird. He's there for a recruiting visit why would he ever bring up something like that to someone he doesn't even know? Too weird.
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I heard "a story" from reliable sources that Chuck Norris wears Urban Meyer pajamas...just something I heard let me know what you guys think.
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It is possible the conversation was had but I am pretty sure if it did, it went a lot different than that. Classic case of the game called Telephone. Kind of hard to pass on a story from another person telling a story that happened to someone else. More likely the HS coach asked Urban about Tress and how he felt about the bowl ban than the other way around. If Urban was looking around and looking bored, then the HS coach could have brought it up to create a topic starter. That doesn't even sound like something Urban would do, call up a visit for a non-recruiting reason (especially when recruiting is a major thing right now), act bored which I know Urban wouldn't even feign let alone be rude like that and ask a question like that. Not to mention Urban most likely has already had a first hand introduction with every HS football player in the area since last year. In fact, didn't h speak to all Ohio HS coaches last year? I'm sure Urban knows the HS coaches and doesn't have to do a meet and greet like this.
Again, not saying the meeting didn't happen, just doubt it went down like that. Urban is too busy to waste his time with something so unimportant.
How old do you think is Urban, 17?
A few things....
1. Jim Tressel is not the reason Ohio State has a bowl ban. He is just a part of the reason. TP, Mike Adams, Boom, Posey, Solomon Thomas, Jordan Hall, Travis Howard (am I remembering T. Howard being suspended for the first game of 2011 correct?) all contributed to the bowl ban.
2. Had Tress done the right thing which would have stopped this mess in the first place, he'd still be the head coach and Urban would probably still be an analyst at ESPN.
3. I think there is respect between Urban and Tressel. The upper classmen were all recruited by Tress and Urban is fond of them, Keeping Fickell on the staff, etc.
If he knew months before the season started and didn't suspend/remove the players from the program and let them play all season- then Tressel is the reason. They committed the crime, but Tressel is one that knowingly allowed them to play while SIGNING a document stating that he knew nothing. So yeah, Tressel is the one at fault for the penalties that Ohio State has faced.
Fact: the bowl ban was the result of things that happened AFTER Jim Tressel was no longer the coach (players getting over-paid in the NCAA's eyes for work over the summer of 2011- after Tressel resigned).
I may be wrong but that isn't exactly how I remember it. That issue is why Devier Posey was suspended for almost the entire year. If I am wrong I apologize.
Tress certainly played a part in this year's bowl ban. Tressel's superiors, however, also completely mismanaged the the handling of the scandal once it came to light. It was an EPIC FAIL in damage control.
Downvote me some more. The article written a year ago here on 11w sums up what I thought.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/11/ncaa-verdict
Directly from that article. Tressel was gone before the DiGeronimo charges surfaced.
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I understand that, but this "The entire Tatgate case summary could be rendered down to a single sentence: Tressel lied to the NCAA about his knowledge of infractions and played would-be ineligible players for an entire season."-That is a big deal by a coach who wrote and distributed "The Winners Manual" to his players.
The DiGeronimo was in addition to everything else. The DiGeronimo benefits would have been an issue on this own, but with Tressel's infractions it was icing on the cake.
Exactly. The Tressel scenario itself was not enough to get FTM (never gonna get a bowl ban unless you have at least FTM or LOIC). The DiGeronimo benefits were the icing on the cake that pushed our case over the top. Yes, Tressel made a mistake and got caught. Obviously he is part of the reason we are in this situation, but to say he IS the reason is just naive. If it were only Tressel's transgressions being considered, OSU would be playing ND for a national title this year, albeit with only 82 on scholarship
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I think I misrepesented what I meant when I said he is the reason. I undertsand and agree with you on this, but I think a lot of people have forgotten what lead to all of the other issues. The tat 5 would all have been suspended/removed from the team for the trading of memorabilia. But Tressel's decision to withold the information from the AD and the investigators was by far the most damning part of this whole situation. That was really my issue with saying he was responsible.
The fact remains that the first NOA included no "Failure To Monitor" charges. Those came after the DiGeronimo transgressions.
So your logic is faulty. We didn't get the bowl ban because of Tressel not coming forward. Downvotes are appropriate for your Tressel-bashing.
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What Tressel bashing? I did not say anything innapropriate. I stated how I viewed the whole situation. That was my personal opinion on the matter. I said if I remembered it wrong I apologize. Maybe you all should not be so sensitive to "contrarian" point of views?
Trying to stamp out misinformation is NOT being sensitive to "contrarian" points of view.
I don't know how we got to the point in this country where people think they are entitled to their own "facts".
You're entitled to an opinion, but when facts are presented that shed light on holes in said opinion, it is in your best interest to change that opinion or be prepared to be mocked/dismissed/downvoted.
I'm not singling you out, SmithWesson. I can see why you think the way you do based on how the media has reported it, but it's wrong.
Great points Triv...great points indeed! It was the "players" who made the idiotic choices to sell their "trinkets" as so many down play and call them. Then Tress wouldn't of had to lie...which I don't agree he should have done anyway.
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Wow...more down votes to someone who's not over the top nor doing anything else to warrant down votes. SmithWesson speaks the truth, along with giving his "honest opinion." Don't worry....many here are hypersensitive and don't like hearing or seeing/reading anything that may talk down/speak the truth about those juniors at the time as well as Tress's horribly bad choice to not tell the NCAA nor OSU's compliance committee (which is why I wish nothing but bad Karma on that entire class who made the poor choices in the first place). Oh well...we got Urban now...2008s class nor the 2010 season that never happened will mean a lot less after next years season with our new and improved team as well as coach;-)
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I know it was the 10 year reunion and all of that and I actually love and respect Tressel for what he did for the University and his players both on and off of the field. He was amazing, but it still seems weird to me that we would go ahead and schedule a celebration the same year that we are facing a bowl ban for actions that were a result of Tressel's actions or inactions. I doubt this all went down as stated, but again I think everyone in the country outside of Buckeye Nation has asked those questions!!!
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You state this as "just trying to find out if it's true" but posting something like that really amounts to asking someone "Have you stopped beating your wife lately?"
It also has the feel of exactly what a good troll would come up with to stir the bee's nest, so to speak.
Not saying you are a troll, but you shouldn't be surprised if you start getting treated that way. "If it looks like it, and smells like it..."
This will be nothing more than a "story you heard." Urban and Tress getting along...means nothing to moving forward...which is what All Fans should do. We lost the Senator but gained a President as far as I'm concerned.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I can't confirm that this is not true, but it would go against the picture that was painted to me by a pretty darn good source. I was told Tress and Urbz were very close and during the summer they were getting together for lunch on a near weekly basis. So I found it hard to believe that Urbz would express such feelings in regards to Tressel.