PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
•Football Schedule•Basketball Schedule•Forum•About•ContactI'm making this thread as a question on how can they continue to increase their commit list (up to 34) with the commitment of Ricky Seals-Jones. Is this a case of oversigning or could their numbers (seniors, transfer, etc...) match the number of commits they can sign letters of intent.
Thanks in advance.
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I was thinking the same thing, and actually had a conversation about it with my boss who is a big college football fan about it. 34 commitments?!?!
34 and counting. They've still got offers out to Mike Mitchell and Tommy Sanders among others if I understand correctly.
My real question is, why would these kids (if they have other offers elsewhere) still want to commit to a team as let's say a LB, when you see that they already have 5 LB recruits for the 2013 class alone? Mind-blowing.
Well with ESPiN basically recruiting for them the last month and a half, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 40.
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No they're suppose to stay at 25 range but NCAA allows up to 28 so if Texas AM ends up with 35 commits, they'll have to either pull 7 players offers or offer a walk-on position I think if I understand it right. Like in 2011 FSU oversigned and Jimbo Fisher said he expected a number of recruits to not qualify academically, so that could be the case for A&M as well, they may have players committed that won't qualitfy academically.
Wow just found this... remember that reciever James Jackson we had?
In an article posted June 25, 2011 by ABC news, James Jackson, former Ohio State wide receiver, says he lost his scholarship due to oversigning. "They had an oversigning issue," Jackson said. "They had to free up a few scholarships, and coach (Jim) Tressel told me I probably wouldn't play and maybe Ohio State wasn't the place for me." Ohio State denies that Jackson was forced to transfer. "Our policy is as James Jackson stated: As long as a student-athlete maintains his/her academic standing, behaves appropriately and handles his/her responsibilities, he or she will retain their scholarship. We have no proof of any conversation between he and former head coach Jim Tressel."
there are many ways for coaches to get messages across to players. Being up front with them, and telling them they probably won't see the field is probably the best way to go about it.
When I played at the University of Findlay back in the early 90's (was NAIA Div 2....now NCAA Div 2) the head coach Dick Strahm, pulled me aside going into my Sophomore year, and told me that they wanted me to change positions. I was 6' 1" 230lbs and one of the slowest linebackers on the team. He said if I wanted playing time, I was going to have to "bulk up" and switch over to either interior OL or DL. I had no desire to put another 30lbs on my body or play OL/DL, for that matter. I loved playing linebacker, but as a 20 year old in college, investing hours of precious college time to be scout team and Saturday Sideline Guy wasn't for me......and it's not for alot of kids. Some kids rush for 2,000 yards in a year in high school, are 4 year letter winners, play both offense and defense plus special teams, and the transition to college/ lack of playing time, just isn't their cup of tea.
Sometimes when college football careers don't go as planned, 20 year olds will place the blame on others, instead of accepting the reality of the situation (see Ray Small).
Oversigning.com had an article on Jackson. Sheds a little more light on the situation.
http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/07/01/james-jackson-and-oh...
About TAMU's huge class, apparently they don't expect some to qualify academically among other issues. I cant really explain the numbers but they will have to trim some fat in one of three ways. The overall scholly total will be affected most, but somehow they can cram 35 commits. Not unheard of in the SEC. Here is a link, and about three-quarters of the way down the screen an OSU fan asks the question and a long explanation ensues.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/14lwfr/1_ath_ricky_sealsjones_commi...
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Yeah I guess if they don't qualify that seems like a weird gray area. It would be like if we let Gibson commit before we knew his grades for first semester, but then kept on taking others. It will be intersting to see how it unfolds, we'll see how many don't qualify.
Shady
This reminds me of how Mt Union recruits in Ohio where they bring in like 100+ freshman every year and take who they want except at a division 1 level
Otrain - not sure if this is toungue in cheek, but Mt Union is a DIII program, they do not offer any kind of scholly. the point of oversigning is that kids have their scholarships revoked after being offered to play DI football on scholly. All D3 schools get anyone they can to come play, they are all paying their own way unless they get some academic or other scholarship.
$EC math is different from B1G math.
How good can a team be with 34 incoming freshman...thats almost 1/3 of the football team having no college experience...and in the SEC, I would imagine that's gonna be rough...especially if they get some injuries..depth will be an issue for them.
First, let's look at how they can get to 34 when the SEC has a new cap of 25 per year:
A&M only signed 19 last year, and 22 the year before, and 24 the year before that. Thanks to back-counting early enrollees, they can back-count 1 player from the class of 22 (now numbering 21), and, correspondingly, 4 players from the class of 19 (now 15). That means that this year, they can back count up to 10 players (if they have that many early enrollees), allowing them to sign up to 35 players this year and still remain in good standing with the rule of 25 per year.
According to A&M fans, they are also expecting between 3 and 5 of these players to not qualify academically, further reducing this number.
Just meeting the rule of 25 is not enough, however, as teams are still obligated to stay at or below 85 scholarships for the football season (82 for us under sanctions). Well A&M only had 74 scholarship players this season for a variety of reasons, including non-qualifiers, transfers, etc. They are graduating 17 seniors, and may lose 3 juniors to the draft.
This would put them 31 players under the 85 man limit.
The difference between this 31 and the 34 or however many they sign will be "oversigned" players. It remains to be seen how many players do not qualify and how many more they add to the class.
I think you can only backlog 5 early enrollees... I could be wrong, but I believe it's a number around 5 or 6. You can't take a tiny class then take a massive class and just backlogg a ton of early enrollees... I think they'll end up with 36 signees. 4 won't qualify, 5 will enroll early (more can enroll early, they just will still be counted towards this class). That means they'll have around 27 in this class. I bet you see a grayshirt or two... any way you look at it, it's wrong and really should be outlawed.
Cause I couldn't go for three
Based on what I read yesterday and have seen at other times, there isn't a limit on how many you can backlog into the previous class. The only rule is that the previous class cannot go over 25 as well. Since they had 19, that gives them at least 6. Now, I'm not sure about going another class unless there are JUCO's or whatever. But what I read gave a fairly logical way around this loophole. Do I still think it's right? Nah because they can still oversign and "cut" players from the teams in the SEC where as in the B1G, they are obligated to retain the player for 4 years and cannot pass the limits on the amount of recruits in a given year.
Wait, so there is a news article about Ohio State over-signing ONE player (allegedly), but SEC teams literally oversign ten or more EVERY YEAR and no one seems to care? What a joke!
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
This is the SEC at their best .... or worst .... depending on what geographic region of the country you are from.
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OSU was the hunted dog in 2011... Anything bad about OSU sold on the news front..
Here's hoping oversigning gets banned across the board or at least more rigid rules to what's considered a "signing". You take that edge away from the SEC and they're back in the middle of the pack.
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