OL Matt Patchan
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According to Gainesville Sun, OL Matt Patchan will transfer to either Ohio State (with Urban Meyer) or Boston College (with Steve Addazio).
would be a great pickup a 5 star recruit !
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Good player but gets injuried often.
My thought too. I didn't know much about him prior to reading this thread and doing some google searches. 5 star OL out of high school, recruited by Urb, (R)Jr, has had every year cut short by injury thus far. Curious to see what happens here. Gotta think he's a great talent if he can stay on the field.
He does only have one year of eligibility so I'm not sure if Urban would take him unless he showed that could definitely contribute. It's not great for chemistry or development, and he wouldn't be much more than a contingency plan.
According to another site he would be able to transfer in as a Graduate student and play right away (just like Russell Wilson). He would be able to compete for the open RT job and at the very least provide some quality depth if he doesn't win the job. I hope we can pick him up.
High-Risk, High-Reward.
I would agree that it is high-risk in the sense that he has been very injury prone, but on the other hand, he would only be on scholarship for one year. Even if he gets hurt again and doesn't play at all, his scholarship opens back up for the 2014 class, so it's not quite a huge risk in my eyes. I hope he picks us.
It's a risk in the fact that they would be bringing in a senior to possibly start over players who have been at tOSU since they were freshmen. In my opinion, this could cause problems in the locker room. This isnt the NFL where you know you can be traded off or greater talents can be brought in at any moment. And It's different then a freshmen coming in and straight beating you out for your job.
Just my opinion. That's not saying I dont want him at OSU. I'm just looking at the possible problems this could cause.
Typically I'd say that I agree with you. In OSU's case, though, they have Jack Mewhort at LT and no one else with any experience to play RT. Darryl Baldwin (who played his first two years on DL iirc), and likely Taylor Decker (no real playing experience as a FR last year). Even if Decker is the RT of the future, it'd be nice to have an upper classman with game experience on the team to fill in at RT if needed.
This is assuming: a) he transfers to OSU and b) stays healthy, of course. Big if's.
I'm not sure that I see the difference from a freshman coming in and winning a starting job "without having paid his dues." I've seen a lot of fans hoping that Urban would get rid of the Tressel era "loyalty to a fault" to seniors and upperclassmen. Urban is going to bring in a lot of high quality recruits, and he is going to give the starting nod to whoever gives the team their best chance to win, regardless of seniority. Whether the player is a freshman or transfer senior, the best player is going to play.
If the guy were to come in and win a starting job, it would in actuality be at RT, where his closest competition would be Taylor Decker, a true Sophomore (not exactly having a ton more seniority).
I think locker-room problems are much more likely to be caused by personality conflicts and player behavioral issues. The reports I have heard from UF fans are that he is a stand up guy. Guys like Russell Wilson have come in and become leaders in just a year by leading on the field and winning over the locker-room.
If he were to come in with a positive attitude, I don't see why it would be an issue. Urban recruited the kid and coached him for a couple of years, so he knows what kind of guy he is. I'm guessing that he will decided based on the depth chart at Boston College. He is transferring out for a last chance at playing time, so if he would have a guaranteed spot at BC he will probably take that rather than have to win a job here.
just dont think we have the scholly for him.... Unless he comes in as grad student & somehow is not on scholly???
A good back up
yea im ok if we get him ok if we dont... remember decker almost beat fragel out, and i think fragel gets drafted
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
I'd be STUNNED if Fragel gets drafted...
I was looking a lot of projections and what not and they have Fragel as a top 15 OT, I could see him getting drafted in one of the later rounds. Sounds like a perfect pick up for that jabroni Billichek or however you spell his name to draft. The NFL does love former TEs turned into OL.
Dude Fragel is going to test off the charts for an OT, has ideal arm length and size and just one year of experience so tons of upsdie. Bet he goes in the 2nd round. #2 Buckeye drafted behind Hankins.
The kid is tall and long -- somebody will take a flier on him in the later rounds as a 1-2 year "project" for a good o-line coach (Arizona?).
"The revolution will be televised."
Patriots took a kid out of Cal State Bakersfield named Stephen Neal as a project.He was an All American wrestler there and almost made it to the Olympics. He turned out to be a great pick up
Then prepare to be STUNNED. Fragel is going to be drafted in the mid rounds.
He is a rock solid 300 pounder that can still move. Once he gets an OL body, he is going to be yet another former college TE playing OTin the NFL.
For this to even be a discussion is truly amazing considering he was a TE a year ago. What a great job fragel did for us in 2012. I hope he gets rewarded with some kind of shot in the NFL.
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Fragel will undoubtedly get drafted. It's not even a question.
I agree with georgiabuck..
I just think its a risk to take a player that has been injured his whole career and to lose a scholorship for a stud recruit. Not saying that the recruit we get instead of him will be good but I think you have to take that chance.
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We all would of taken Dawson in a hearbeat with one scholarship. If we can get a stud offensive linemen for next year, where many think we'll make a title run, then I'm all for it. Any freshman lineman won't come in and contribute immediately. This guy will add depth and experience to the line and either start, allowing a younger guy to develop more, or be a backup to provide not only depth, but QUALITY depth. I don't think Boren coming to the good guys hurt chemistry or the locker room. Sure, he sat a year, but still he came in and started once he was able to. I would accept this kids transfer in a heartbeat.
agree 100%^
But with reduced scholarships and a player who according to others gets hurt often enough, do you risk using a scholarship on him? Boren turned out well and I wouldn't yet say that any freshman lineman won't come in and contribute immediately. While you may think no one will yet, look at Jacoby Boren, if he didn't get hurt, or Taylor Decker, if Fragel doesn't show him up. Both came in and almost contributed immediately. I think the two situations are apples and oranges.
EDIT: Also just read that he sat out a season due to an accidentla gun shot wound. Doesn't sound like a Boren type guy.
I'd take him, if anything it'll open up an extra scholarship for next years class and if he can stay healthy could slide right into the RT position, if not, at least provide us with a little extra depth upfront. We were pretty lucky this year having no linemen go down to any injuries, at least major ones and given how young and inexperienced we are outside of our 4 returning starters it may be good to add another capable body who has proven himself in the SEC.
One aspect that hasn't been discussed with this news is its possible implications on the 2014 o-line. Let's say that Patchan transfers to OSU and stays healthy for the entire 2013 season (I know, big ifs). In this scenario the entire o-line would be Seniors. Obviously this is great for next year, with a talented and experienced line. But what about in 2014? As it is now we are already planning on breaking in 4 new starting lineman for 2014 and if we picked up this guy we would have to break in an ENTIRE new offensive line. Not the best scenario for 2014, Braxton's senior year and all the playmakers in place. I'm not saying we shouldn't take him because it would hurt us in 14, but there are certainly tradeoffs both ways. Strictly looking at 2013, this is a no-brainer you take him in a heartbeat, but the long-term effects may or may not be worth it.
My personal philosophy is, win a championship when you can win a championship. If adding this guy for 2013, makes the line deeper and singificantly better, thus improving our championship hopes, I do it. Win in 2013 and worry about 2014 when it gets here. As you said, we'll already be replacing 4 of the linemen. That's going to be huge anyway, will one more guy really make that much of a difference? Also, there's no telling if he'd actually start or not. Decker was close to winning the job in the offseason last year, and he will probably be tough to beat for the starting job this season. To me, if Decker gets beat out again, at least we KNOW next year we have a starting right tackle, and the only real issues will be with inexperienced depth behind Decker for that spot.
If this team wins a championship in 2013, but could be vulnerable in 2014 I'll take it. One thing we know is there is a ton of talent that will be here in 2014 on offense and defense. With the success of the O-line coach this year and the young inexperienced talent waiting in the wings, I have confidence the line will be better than anything Bollman ever put out there.
After reading the other posts, I dont see how this guy would get a start over others who have started. He sure seems undependable, as he has yet to play a full season, and why risk chemistry issues by putting him in the starting rotation right away. I doubt even if he plays it would be long before he is injured again, some guys just cant shake the injury bug.
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I don't think that he'll neccessarily come in and just be a starter. Everything we know about Meyer is that he wants guys to compete and the best player wins the job. What would be the difference if he transfered in and won the job or if Dawson decided to sign with Ohio State and came in and won a starting job? No one on Meyer's teams are handed a starting gig. It has to be earned. If someone gets beat out for the position and they have a problem with it, well that's on them and no one else.
If he is a good kid and provide depth for this year, so be it.. hopefully, he can turn his career around and provide some leadership.
Can't see where they went wrong on the line this year..
I agree that his injury-prone situation is worrisome, but then again, he can play immediately, will only be around one year, and even if he can't crack the starting lineup, can provide much-needed depth to an already-thin unit. Besides, he's played in the Meyer system for several years, so it's not like he'd have to start from scratch learning the playbook. Either way, I trust Coach Urbs with this decision.
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Idk if he is worth taking a schollie...... if we would have to use 1 on him.
Injury prone player< a recruit that can serve for us for 4/5 yrs
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Can I ask... If you transfer, don't you have to sit out a year? How would that work out in this case?
@Buckeyeasylum Good question, and yes, normally a player must sit out a year following a transfer. However, I have read that Patchan is graduating from Florida, and will enroll at his next school as a graduate student. If there is a graduate program that exist at his new school that does not exist at Florida, then he does not have to sit out a year. This is the rule that Wisconsin has exploited for better (Russell Wilson) and worse (Danny O'Brien). From my understanding, Patchan has one year of eligibility wherever he lands, and should be eligible for 2013.
Actually I think Patchan has 2 years....read somewhere he's already been granted a 6th year. So RS SR year then a 6th year...not 100% sure but read that
This would be his upcoming 6th year. He has one more year of eligibility.
My take is the more talent the better. This kid has a bunch of it, he is injury prone yet has still played in 38 games at UF on both sides of the line. I'm not one that thinks that bringing in a player like this will cause problems in the locker room. This is Ohio State, like many other big programs, no spot is garunteed especially under Urban. The best players will see the field, and anyone who doesn't follow along with that and isn't willing to compete to be on the field shouldn't be on the team. However, I don't think you necessarily take a guy like this in place of a stud recruit with 5 potential years to mature and get better. That said, if there is ultimately enough room on the team next year I would be perfectly happy adding more talent and depth on the line.