I'm not going to link to their site but here are the top B1G recruiting classes according to our not-so-bright neighbors to the north.
1. Michigan
2. Notre Dame (I know their not in the B1G...this is per them)
3. ILLINOIS
4. tOSU
5. Rutgers
6. NW
7. Penn State
Neb, Indiana, Maryland, Mich State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue
I guess I shouldn't be suprised given the source....but c'mon.
LOL
A lot of times 'lol' is used as just an aside comment or just to show that you are acknowledging a message, but i am literally LOL'ing at work right now
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
I know man. I did the same thing.
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Is this for real? There are some recruiting sites that have scUM and ND ahead of us right now, but I'm pretty sure Illinois is nowhere near us in the rankings on any site...
Is this real life?
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
I also like the one with Darth Vader LOL
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
It's Mgo. Take it seriously at your own risk.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
After we get the six or so REALLY good recruits we are supposed to get soon, I bet they'll have us drop to fifth....
THIS ^ .......can't stop laughing. Always wanted to look at MGo as the scUM equivalent to 11W, but they never brought the quality to the table. Now this .....lolololololololol. You can't just add up stars x number of commits. I'd bet Beckman would trade his class for Meyers.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
To be fair, this is not the opinion of their staff, but rather a formula.
Thanks, Cincy. You always have good input.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
Oh, a formula, GREAT!
Class of 2010.
Is it baby formula?
^^^ hahahaha
It could be :)
Class of 2010.
Sorry, was gonna upvote, but instead fat fingered you with a down vote, I'll make up on your later post.
It's not based on opinion, but a formula based on avg star ranking x number of commits. And since Ill has 7 more commits they rank higher. We actually have the highest avg star ranking across all four recruiting sites but since we only have 19 committs, we drop in their weird ranking system.
I just noticed that. Our average recruit rating puts us in 2nd behind ND.
yea, i'm not counting them(we have the highest in the B10)...I'm not sure why they are even a part of these rankings. Why not include UC as well?
^This
However, OSU is bound to pick up more folks. They'll easily pass Illinois when this class is said and done. That said, with Michigan leading for Green and still in it (though trailing) for McQuay, and ND looking to be in the driver's seat Max Redfield - even a Mike Mitchell pickup for OSU (plus a couple others) will leave OSU at 3rd in the B1G + ND ratings.
Well this might be an opportunity for them to sit back and realize their formula isn't quite right. Let's say no one gets any more recruits in the B1G, I have to think there isn't a single rational person out there (even on MGo) that would prefer Illinois' class to ours right now. That is a sign that their formula weights numbers a little too heavily...
I agree. In fact, there are often discussions in the threads about the formula needing to be re-worked in order to weight class size a little less-heavily.
No doubt, if Michigan can pick up Green and McQuay, they are almost assured of winning another February Trophy. According to a July 2011 Rivals article, Michigan ranked T9 overall in cumulative recruiting rankings from 2002 - 2011, with Ohio State way behind at 12th.
Rivals noted that Michigan had only the 24th best on-field winning percentage during that period, while Ohio State had the second best in the nation. But who cares about old news like that during February? February blossoms like Michigan, Florida State, Tennessee, UNC, and UCLA aren't interested in hearing the whiny rationalizations from February losers like Boise, Wisconsin, Oregon, and TCU!
Watch it Mbloblog! Your butthurt is showing.
Knowing Urban he already has some guys he knows are coming to town he's just having them hold off. Wait until Jan 5th and I'll bet we get some big names announced during the AA game.
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Why is it that every time someone somewhere puts out a list of anything on the internet that doesn't have Ohio State as number one do we feel the need as fans to be upset over it?
Come on people....
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
It isn't that the Buckeyes aren't number one so much as the fact that they are behind Illinois. That's the problem I have with the list anyways.
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
Regardless, who cares? So Illinois is ranked higher than OSU on some blog's subjective attempt at being objective.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Agreed Brewster. The biggest compliment we could give them is to get all upset about it. It's a list based on a formula. Not a big deal.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they also add bonus points to themselves depending on the quality of the buffett at Hometown, Golden Corral, Ponderosa, Sizzler multpiied by the current location of Mr. Hoke's belt holes left.
Its a great class right now. After the first two weeks of January it will be even better. I'm sure it will be the only poll to drop us out of the top 5.
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
Out of curiosity, I will look up total current rankings by school on each major site and post here comparing the B1G and ND. I have a feeling tOSU, ND, and scUM will be far ahead of other B1G schools on each site.
Rivals - ND #2, scUM #5, tOSU #8, with Illinois at #25
Scout - scUM #1, ND #3, tOSU #7, with Nebraska at #18
ESPN - ND #3, tOSU #5, scUM #7, with Penn State at #24
247 - tOSU #4, ND #5, scUM #6, with Penn State at #16
Funny how when ESPN's recruiting has us ranked high no one bitches about conspiracies involving them dropping the standing of our recruits.
Silly list. It's nice to know mgoblog is good at writing comedy
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
C'mon, they're back! And this proves it.
I forget though- we're they back this year, or last year?
WB
I would like to point out that 11W also puts Notre Dame into their B1G Recruiting Rankings (http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/12/17595/big-ten-football-recruiting-class-rankings-dec-13) so I find it hard to find fault with MGoBlog for doing it. I believe both sites have said they do it since ND is an important factor (competitor) in B1G recruiting and since they are independent, they fit them in.
With regards to Illinois, as others have pointed out, it isn't so much the quality of the Illinois class is better than tOSU's, but the fact that they have 7 more recruits and the formula is based on a point total for the entire class. To even quote the 11W recruiting rankings, The Illinois class is a hard one to judge, as they already have 26 players committed to play for the Orange and Blue next fall, but seven of them are coming via the JUCO route.
With regards to percieved bias of MGoBlog rankings, if one believes they are truly biased, then said bias does not belong to MGoBlog. It would have to belong to the 4 major recruiting services, because that is where their rankings are derived. It is a simple formula really, they take an average of all the recruit rankings from the 4 major recruiting sites and then multiply it by the number of recruits to get a point total for the class.
Having to explain butthurt, still makes it butthurt.
Might I point out anyone who thinks Illinois has a stronger 2013 class than OSU is either delusional or so far out of touch with reality that you're stoned on peyote like the Regulators were in Young Guns, "Hey Dog, did you see the size of that chicken????!!!!" More like, "Hey, did you see that awesome Illini recruiting class?????"
Your blog is a homer blog so naturally your class is God's greatest gift to the history of the freakin universe. But Illinois? I'd like to smoke whatever wacky weed you're growing up there in that northern state you call a home. We can all use a break from reality from time to time. We can use it to follow the Spirit Road riding the horse backward like Emilio Estevez did.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
Again, its not an opinion of their staff...its based off a formula(avg star ranking x number of commits).
Right, but see my post above. Formulas can be changed when glaring weaknesses occur. This is a case where it needs some fixing because of what the dude above said.
It is a simple attempt to use the 4 recruiting sites rankings (see cincyosu's comment for formula), so really for it to improve, the best place to do it would be at the recruiting sites or maybe find a way to incorporate the actual players numbered ranking along with the star rankings. Given that it is a blog and not a highly scrutinized selection criteria for the National Champion, I don't think there is a lot of motivation or need to change it.
Clearly not, but would any of the staff at Mgo really think that it is accurate given what we are seeing. It would be pretty easy to tweak the formula to underweight numbers a bit more by multiplying the number of commits by .75 or some other number that seems reasonable. Wouldn't have to touch star ratings at all. It would still be objective, but it would weight things differently.
Woah woah woah! These are Michigan fans we're talking about here! Keep the math simple bro!
Number of stars x Number of guys= hardest math mighigan fans can muster
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I never said it was a good formula(in fact I think too much is put into class size at times by all services), I was just pointing out that it wasn't the opinion of the staff at MGo.
But since it is their formula you have to assume it represents their opinion since they can just change the formula if they don't think it accurately reflects reality. Maybe they will change it in response to this fairly obvious error.
The writer's stated opinion is that this is just a snapshot and not a projection of where these classes will be. He stated Yes, tOSU's class is better, but there isn't a need to change it for an anomaly that should be corrected by NSD. Once things play out and tOSU fills its class, the rankings will easily have tOSU ahead of Illinois. I think it is a valid point. Once tOSU fills its class at 25 like some are projecting and maybe Illinois gets to 28 (capped max?). 3 additional players will not get Illinois over tOSU.
@AngryWoody I get the joke, and I've seen it made many times, but it really doesn't work when you're talking about Michigan. We have a pretty well-respected engineering department in Ann Arbor.
That said, the formula doesn't really work, either.
You can put cow $hit on your flowers and call it fertilizer, but it's still cow $hit. You can call something well respected in Ann Arbor, but we still call it cow $hit in Ohio.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Their in the spirit world asshole......lol And before anyone downvotes me for that, I'm quoting Young Guns for those of you that haven't seen it! NOT calling IBLEED an asshole.
It's ok, I am one...to TTUN fans LOL
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
Can you explain what makes the MGoBlog rankings butthurt if they are based on a simple mathematic formula based on independent sources?
Your quick downvote and comment made it so that I could not get an edit in to my comment, so I will add it here.
I was going to add that I do not believe the Illinois class is better than tOSU's and I think it is safe to assume that the guys at MGoBlog would agree. The problem with using math is that sometimes there are intangibles that they can't properly measure, and when the rankings are based on whole numbers from 2 - 5 (NR = 2 in the formula, and minimum actual star rankings given are 2), then you could end up team A that would be filled with subjective 'high" fours and team B with "low" borderline fours, but they would be considered equal based on the math. With that small range, it is hard to create any true separation that won't be effected eventually by class size.
Again, the fact that MGoBlog is using independent sources makes it hard to place any "butthurt" alegations on them when it is just how the math works out. The same math that placed tOSU's class last year above Michigan's.
The problem with equations and models is that their are just some things that can't be measured, which limits what they can do in a subjective world. Look at the constant tweaking and eventual failure of the BCS and its replacement with a playoff as evidence of this.
WITCH! All of you with your math and numbers and logic are practicing the dark arts! How dare you not blindly assume anything that doesn't have Ohio State ahead of anything is clearly biased and not based on some sort of simple mathematical formula!
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
For the record, BlueBayou once turned me into a newt...
I got better...
well.... we did do the nose.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
First off, I didn't downvote you. Or at least I don't remember downvoting you. I'm not saying Mbloblog didn't use math. but any fool on the planet that follows foozball will know Illi's class ain't as good as OSU's. AACC has the best class and I'll give ya ND's, but just posting numbers and then arrogantly standing by them, by publishing them on to the interwebs, is silly. Make an exception and state the numbers put IofU 3rd but no thinking person would. Be fare, be balanced, be thoughtful. Giving your rival an undeserved 4th ranking is butthurt. Butthurt because you have been trying to be back for years, and we never left.
Blue, you keep on raining. And we'll still be the parade.
Fair enough, I trust your word Doc. If you say you didn't down vote, then I take you at your word. Both your comment and the vote were up so quick that I assumed it was you. Since I did the assuming, that makes me the ....
I think it is fair to say that MGoBlog should comment when something like this happens, and they did, when it first happened.
The Illini pick up a trio of California JuCo recruits—DT Abens Cajuste, S Zane Petty, and S Eric Finney—as well as in-state DE Evan Panfil. As a result of sheer class size, Illinois passes Ohio State in the rankings. Yes, Ohio State's class is better. No, I'm not changing the rankings. Remember, this isn't a projection, it's a snapshot, and it's almost a certainty that the rankings will correct themselves come signing day, when they actually matter. - ACE at MGOBLOG (http://mgoblog.com/diaries/big-ten-recruiting-rankings-12-2-12)
When tOSU again moved into the 3rd spot the following week, he again commented about it and restated his belief. (http://mgoblog.com/diaries/big-ten-recruiting-rankings-12-9-12)
So the question, after focusing and commenting on this same topic the two previous rankings, is the expectation for him to have to state his position and belief again in the most recent one? For a third week in a row? I don't think so, but that is just my opinion.
I'm not trying to rain on anyones parade. Just disagreeing with the original post that this is evidence of Homerism by MGoBlog. I'm not denying that MGoBlog can have homerism, but this is not where you will find it. I agree with Ace, the rankings will correct themselves by signing day. There is no way that Urban doesn't pull in more recruits that will take tOSU's score higher than Illinois.
We're good Blue. I'll even upvote ya to prove it.
You're right these aren't biased rankings... they are, however, stupid. If quantity mattered at all more than quality Pat Fitzgerald would be running the B1G and Ron Zook would still be employed. I'd take a class of 13 studs over 30 whats-his-faces any day. If your rankings value quantity so heavily it's time to reasses why you're ranking anything at all (The proverbial "you" NOT you in particular).
To quote an above post concerning the major recruiting services:
Quantity does not equal quality, and none of the above recruiting sites agree with MGO scUM funny math. Illinois doesn't even register on three of them. 5 turd sandwiches do not equal one Royale with cheese.
And 15 Royales with cheese do not equal one Black Label Burger (as per Elika's Friday skully).
Why so many scUM fans on 11W lately? It used to be we had a few that were cool like M Man and Hail2victors, but more keep popping up and they are getting more and more annoying.
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They're like having ants at a picnic. Enjoy the picnic and the ones that will not leave or cannot be eliminated, ignore.
I've got a question for everyone who cares about MGo's recruiting rankings: who gives a hooping funt?
@ angry woody,
Because they can't talk smack about what happens on the field, they like to beat their chests about recruiting.
Don't sweat the petty, pet the sweaty.
I found your sweaty.
R.I.P George Carlin
Not unless it's a sexy female.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Yup that sounds about right. Even though Notre Dame just joined the ACC, they are still in the Big Ten. And Illinois, with all of their unranked sleeper recruits, definitely has a better class than us. There is no argument here. This is clearly a 100% correct and unbiased opinion from them.
condsider the source.
Remember when Sam Mcguffie was a game changing running back.
I'll trust Urbs recruiting.
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I say meh, who cares. MgoBlog is over rated garbage anyway. I've never understood what the big deal was about that site. I liked 11W better years ago before it blew up and added lots of great talent to the staff. It's always been a top shelf product.
Upvote for you BT!!
True that. A lot of incredible talent at 11W.
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I don't really care what any of those scouting services or what the misfit state has to say about us...........the only reality in my mind is on field doings.......Kick Michigan's ass on a yearlty basis and win a national championship or 2 along the way and Im a happy dude!!!!
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
Who cares where we are ranked as long as we beat Michigan and win National Championships!
Funny coincidence, MGOBLOG, because I did a ranking of Michigan websites, and it just so happens I have you guys ranked in dead place.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
What's funny is that, in the comments, not one Mgoblogger notes the obvious: that Illinois, with a large class of second-tier talent, is ahead of our class of widely accepted top-ten talent (if not top five). Can you imagine someone suggesting on 11W that the Illini class was stronger than Michigan's? Clueless and spineless.
This is not true. Please reread the comments. At points the commenters talk about the need for a new formula and mockingly come up with their own versions. One guy suggests ranking on a scale of 1-10 like ranking women. This has been going on for the last three weeks over there. The readers know it, the MGo Writer has commented on it stating that yes, the tOSU class is better, and that this is only a snapshot, not a projection and expects it to correct itself by NSD, because it usually does. He basically is using an arithmetic mean of the four major recruiting sites multiplied by the class size to gain total points for the class. Since I believe Illinois can only Add at most two more recruits (I believe capped at 28) and tOSU is projected to be able to add 5-6 more. Given that we all know that tOSU will be adding more recruits by signing day as well as higher level recruits, they will most definitely finish above Illinois by NSD.
@BlueBayou...eh, yes and no. You're right in that there is a reference to the "snaphshot" philosophy of ranking classes. However, the chief analysis (and there is precious little that recognizes our #4 slot as completely whack) of the rankings concerning Illinois seems to be that they probably won't hold their lead over Ohio State, not "what the hell is Illinois doing in this discussion?" Even your own comment projecting Ohio State finishing above Illinois lends credence to an argument that pits the Buckeye class vs. Illinois's class instead of where does tOSU fit in the conversation amongst the top three. It's acknowledgment by avoidance of a flawed argument. Yeah, you can use a number of formulas, but when one turns up a clearly bunk product, it should be lampooned. The gentle "mocking" tone of the system that you suggest seems to confirm most commenters' overall (if uneasy) acceptance of it.
Here is a simple question for you bluebayou, how do you treat the blisters on your fingers that have developed due to your failed attempt to defend a silly ranking on your preferred site?
Well, first I wash the affected area with soap and water. Then I apply an antibiotic ointment and then ....... Oh wait ...... Point taken. lol.
Between me and you, all these rankings aren't worth the paper they are printed on. I can go on about star ratings and how they don't mean anything other than an opinion on potential. If you look at rankings over the years, why hasn't Texas been whooping the snot out of everyone, every year? What was the star ranking of your walkon Kovacs (I believe that is his name)? He's pretty darn good now though, isn't he.
I agree with you, but just think about it. Without recruiting and star ratings you wouldn't get to hear during every game for a four year span how a guy was a walk-on who only had an offer from Toledo. What else would color commentators have to talk about?
I disagree in the sense that teams that tend to compete and be ranked highly on a consistent basis usually also have the best recruiting classes. There will be exceptions, of course. Regardless, as an example, I will list the top 10 classes on ESPN right now. I'm betting all have been pretty successful lately.
Florida, USC, ND, Bama, tOSU, scUM, Texas A&M, LSU, Georgia, and Texas
Of those, I suppose you could say USC and Texas haven't been the best, but I hope my point is still clear.
Your argument in defense of MGO's "snapshot" rankings is just silly. You are basically saying 5 turd sandwiches are better than one royale with cheese because there are 5 of them.
We all understand the stupid formula he is using, you don't need to keep reexplaining yourself, but you still can't explain away how each site individually ranks the Buckeyes in the top ten/top 5 while Illinois isn't in the top 20 in any recruiting site.
Why is this? This is because recruiting sites see the forest for the trees and don't do their own rankings in such an amateurish way. You don't just add up the point totals of all the commits and multiply by class size because this doesn't tell us anything useful.
Grow a brain.
PIEROGYJIM, I would just like to point out that my argument was that tOSU's rankings had nothing to do with bias and more to do with an anomaly based on the evolving nature of recruiting and the fact that the class of 2013 has not been finalized. I was not defending the formula, but with that said, I am willing to give MGoBlog the benefit of the doubt that their rankings will have corrected themselves by NSD.
I am sorry you feel the use of "snapshot" rankings is silly. By definition it means "an impression or view of something brief or transitory". So by that definition, you must find the Rivals, Scout, 247, and ESPN rankings just as silly since they too would be considered snapshot rankings until NSD. I think a number of people here or just in general would also agree that they in fact are silly.
With regards to the affects of class size on rankings. I would say at some point their must be some measurable that additional bodies > an extra elite player. Let us look at ESPN's rankings. Currently they have Florida #1 (25 players) and USC #2 (16 players). USC has 11 top 150 players in their rankings and 15 of the top 300. Florida has 10 of the top 150 and 14 of the top 300. USC has higher quality players and more of the highest ranked players in ESPN's rankings but ESPN placed Florida above them. Why? Well, it has to be that at some point, those extra bodies are worth more than the additional elite player in USC's class. (This is not an argument that Illinois's class is better than tOSU's, because it is not, just a point that added depth must have some value at some point and will show up even in recruiting site rankings sometimes)
With regards to adding up total points of a class based on the number of commitments not being useful. Rivals, Scout, and 247 most definitely use some sort of formula since they do display on their rankings each classes point total, and I would think ESPN also uses some sort of formula, but does not share the point total results. Since these sites are truly in the business of ranking classes, it is in their interest to attempt to come up with something more realistic in "snapshot" scenarios. Unfortunately, whatever they are doing is considered proprietary, hence they don't share it, else they are giving up their intellectual property and anybody could rank classes just as well as them. If MGo's livelihood relied on the accuracy of their rankings, I'm sure they would change their formula, but since MGo is in the business of writing about college sports in relation to Michigan, I'm thinking they are ok with the formula they are using, because it is a good enough representation to be able to write about or post (and even they admit it isn't perfect).
As for 5 turd sandwiches being better than one royale with cheese, I can't speak to that, but being a potential future contestant of fear factor I may be able to. Even then, I think it would classify as an opinion and depend on one's acquired taste for turds. I am not sure how one would acquire the taste, but since there is a technical term for it (coprophagy), I guess .... it happens.
Keep in mind, these are all my opinions about a particular blog's ranking system. I am not speaking specifically about Michigan or tOSU. If you disagree with me, I am fine with that, and will not take your personal stance as a measure of your intellectual aptitude.
Now if you would please excuse me, I need to tend to the blisters on my fingers.
tl;dr
Probably the right response. If you can't make your point quickly, then best not to try to make it. For the record, I'm not the one that downvoted you.
You probably missed the point where I said you don't need to keep reexplaining yourself because...
wait for it...
WE GET IT.
I really don't know what you are getting out of all of this, but I want to cut your rebuttals with Occam's razor. You aren't going to convince anyone here that MGO's rankings are anything other than inaccurate and created with faulty reasoning. You have to suspend disbelief to think that Illinois' class, at any point in time, is better than OSU's. In fact, other Michigan fans on this site have already agreed that MGO's rankings are dumb.
I don't care if you downvote me or not. I just want you to let you know you have embarked on a futile exercise.
You don't get it if you think I am saying Illinois' class is better than tOSU's, because I am not and stated this multiple times. Just saying no need to get in a tizzy over it based on an anomaly that will correct itself. Just answer one question. Do you think that based on the formula MGo is using, their rankings may more closely resemble the recruiting sites' rankings by the time NSD approaches? Really, isn't that the only time when these rankings will matter, if they really were ever going to?
Besides the fact that their formula is stupid, the fact that at ANY moment in time they rank Illinois above OSU alone invalidates the entire formula, regardless of any end result.
I feel like I'm like Walter and you're Donnie
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On that note, before I pee on anyone else's rug, I am done commenting on this thread.
They cannot wait to put up these rankings to show themselves at #1. If it would be impossible to do so, the regular posting of said "rankings" would never, ever, happen there. And when it can be used to put OSU fourth in some bizarre manner, it is icing on the cake. The fact that any news deemed non-chest thumping material that is posted by members is "locked" in order to censor is a joke. That is what they do there. A site more homeristic than MGo does not exist. It can be viewed to see what recruits have committed. Beyond that it is totally and completely idealistic and worthless.
First, I do visit Mgo a few times per week to ensure I'm in the loop, but I will admit it has a lot of flaws. I'm not a computer/IT/Website designer in any way, but I think 11W and Mgo are both tops for the respective schools. I think that like any online [forum] community, there are those who have been there "forever" who feel they are "in the click." I think it has gotten better, of late, but these entitled members' arrogance went well beyond fandom to the point where they were hurting the website. For example, when new members would post a topic that was breaking news, 100% legit, and 100% positive, the first response from these older members is always to point out a typo or grammatical error, if not a challenge to the post. If someone comments against the grain, it's downvoted until it disappears. If you click to open them, most aren't worthy of this. This is not exclusive to Mgo (it happens here and in other forums), but it is a flaw.
In reply to you, Groza, yes Mgo is a Michigan homer site. So is 11W, so is BSD, so is every other team site. That's not to say that 90% of the content won't be relatively objective, but these sites are geared to shine the most positive light on its team/school. The opposite holds true, as well. Every time something questionable about OSU, MSU, or ND, it's newsworthy. Just like every negative story about Michigan, Wisconsin, and PSU shows up in these threads and/or Buckshots. It shouldn't come as a surprise to any of you that you're going to see Pro-Michigan material and Negative OSU material at a Michigan site. The same as what I see here. Some days I choose not to comment at all because I just want to unload on some of the things I read and the opinions of the members (I'm sorry, but Hoke is fat is so overplayed). However, I realize that I can leave anytime and I know that this is not a pro-Michigan site. In many instances, most of you are more than fair. For those of you that can't find anything nice to say about Michigan, I understand. I used to be that way, too, and I don't fault you for it. I just ignore it.
Clearly, I think 11W is a great site. This was especially evident when member here reached out to me before The Game and provided me with his contact info and said that if any Buckeye fans give me trouble, give him a call, because he hoped that my experience was a good one (as long as Michigan lost).
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
The hoke is fat is in honor of Charlie Weis and all the grief that was thrown at him by you people. So what is the problem, is it not funny anymore? Hmmmmm.... Wonder why....
"YOU PEOPLE????" what's that supposed to mean? Lol.
Seriously, though. You really do follow me around on here, huh Oyster?
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
I have a soft spot for your kind and now that MLive has died I am lonely.
I make an effort not to reply in cases like this. I make my point and leave it at that. But here is an example where your comparison between MGo and 11W is mistaken. I haven't been here for a long time, it will be a year in a few days, but there is one distinct item that makes the two sites completely, night and day, different. 11W has never, to my knowledge, locked a thread due to someones opinion about the team or a player because it doesn't shed the correct light on the subject. Like our recent Vonn Bell thread stating a possible visit date that was not verified. It would not be allowed there. Politics or something in utter bad taste or complete disrespect to the undeserving are maybe stopped here but nothing else that I have witnessed. I have noticed this several times at MGo and I visit sparingly. Each time it is hard to imagine the thought process behind the censorship other than making things the way whoever decides what is or isn't best. It blows me away that everyone there is ok with that. Many may not feel that way but I would not take that here as I would not participate. I am very thankful thoughts are allowed here no matter how far off the wall they may be. The blogs are here for free discussion, rumors, thoughts and hopes. Without that, what's the point? 11W allows posts that are not in the best interest of ours, which is the way it should be. Otherwise it is just a glorified advertisement.
They also locked down a thread after Gareon Conley comitted to OSU. I don't recall 11W ever doing the same when Kyle Kalis decomitted and went to Michigan.
The difference between 11W and MGO, in my opinion, is that 11W strives to be as journalistic as possible, while MGO has no such pretenses.
MGO also looks like it was created by a 16 year old. I hate the layout.
They sure did. I went over there just to revel in the meltdown. I was disappoint.
I don't really know the policies on them locking threads. Usually it's because of false information/misconceptions being stated as fact, a troll/flame war, or inappropriate content. Again, I don't know for sure, but I don't think they're trying to censor anything; especially complaints.
I'm not sure if I've ever seen threads locked here. There were some that I couldn't post on...I'm not sure if that was a glitch, or intential. I do know that threads are deleted and/or moved on here. I think for the same reason above. Again, I don't know either site's exact policy, but that's how I've always interpreted it. If your point is that it's done there more than here, you're probably correct.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
That was my point, Hail. Very solid reply. Sorry for my aesthetic dig on MGO too, I shouldn't have gotten ugly about it.
The hypocrisy never ends up there, does it...
Illini?? Hilarious. Maybe because Michigan is going after one of their commits they need to justify it by putting them ahead of us... but by my count...
Illini - 25 commits. 4 of which are 4 stars. 21 players being 3 star or below.
tOSU - 19 commits. 14 of which are either 4 or 5 star. 5 others being 3 stars.
Seems like the Illini should run away with the recruiting title.
Regardless of the recruiting rankings over @ MGo, we all know:
OSU>Illinois
Urban>Beckman
I don't need a formula to figure that out, either.
...And we all know that OSU's recruiting class > Illinois' recruiting class
I think all who follow recruiting, even a little, would agree.
I look at misconstrued figures, like this, like I look at the top 25 polls. When undefeated mid-majors (even Big East, sometimes) teams are undefeated about 2/3 through the season, they will be ranked ahead of some of the major players from the Big Boy football conferences that have a loss or two. But if you asked 1000 people who is better: Undefeated MAC school or 2-Loss Oklahoma, 990 are going to say Oklahoma.
This is all just "meh," to me. Everyone has their own rankings service that they put the most stock in. I always thought that was Rivals, but I think 247sports is making a name for itself. Regardless, it's not like there is an AP or Coaches recruiting poll that is "official" so there will almost always be some subjectivity.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
They only time we should be listening to a scUM fan is when they ask if you want napkins and ketchup with your order from McDonald's.
Wherever you are, there you be!
C'mon, at least use a pizza boy reference to tie in our AD...
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
help me out here. Is this a subjective ranking done by MGOBLOW or a formula?
if it is a formula, it's a retarded formula. they must have changed it within the last couple of weeks when Illinois was getting tons of middling 3-stars just so OSU is ranked lower than Illinois. I'll bet money that they changed their formula the last couple of weeks.
I tried to visit mgoblow's website to see what the story was all about. Every time I clicked on the site, the stench was unbearable. Mgoblog...WOW...Yaawwwnnnn...z...zzz....ZZZZ....ZZZZZ...
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches