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•Football Schedule•Basketball Schedule•Forum•About•ContactCourtside seats at the Mavs/Heat. These tickets are worth in the $500-700 range from what I've heard. Careful there JF, wouldn't want the NCAA hounds sniffing around.
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It's ok, E!SPiN probably gave him the money.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
:)
The best thing in his favor is that he doesn't go to Ohio State. Otherwise there would be a full investigation crew with a dig site being set up as we speak.
He's in the SEC. There's no such thing as a violation.
My God, will this ever stop?
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
My God, will this ever stop?
Right? I find it just astounding that the same people who get up in arms when other people make assumptions about Ohio State are the ones making assumptions about Texas A&M. Maybe, JUST Maybe, he gets money from mom and dad like, oh I don't know %98 of college kids and he decided to 'buy' them that way.
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I don't know many college kids who get thousand dollar court side seats. Let alone %98
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Is that what I said? I said parents give college kids money, the amount is irrelevant (as well as based on what sort of means said family comes from). Its ok though, if putting words in my mouth makes your argument easier, then by all means go ahead.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
So the amount is irrelevant? Tell that the the NCAA. And throwing out statements like "maybe he gets money from his mom and dad, like I don't know %98 of college kids" is just flat out wrong. I know many more friends who paid for school and everything themselves.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
The amount is absolutely irrelevant if his parents gave it to him, OR, heaven forbid, Johnny actually had his own money. My My My, how we all forget how much we hated other fanbases making assumptions about us without knowing all the facts....
Ask Cam Newton about that one.
Ask cam what?
Its whatever man. I don't come here to argue with fellow fans and you clearly have a strong stance on this reading through the thread. Im sure JF is a great kid. Was just making a simple statement.
Ok, I will.
NCAA-"Mr Manziel, how did you get that money?"
Manziel-"Well mom and dad wrote me this check for my bday, see? Here it is"
NCAA-Have a wonderfull day sir, Merry Christmas.
I'm not saying that's exactly what happened but the amount of presumption here is just insane. Because he's the Heisman winner, because he plays in the SEC, everyone here is up in arms and failing to realize that maybe this isn't actually illegal.
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It's has nothing to do with conference affiliation or his Heisman trophy. The whole forum topic is because he said he bought them himself, he never said it was a gift from his parents. Who knows where the money came from, but I bet the NCAA would like too. I have nothing against the kid personally, and I think OSU got rightfully dinged. But to come in here and say I'm up in arms is false. Read my posts, I'm just a little skeptical of a college freshman with no apparent job buying HIMSELF exclusive court side seats, then going into the locker room after the game. This is someone the NCAA frowns upon. That is my point.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
I addressed the "bought himself" line of thinking with the possibility that the money came from mom and dad, not the tickets. As for the up in arms part, fine, I'll amend my statement to "Everyone is up in arms except you". Third, going into the locker room should cause 0 skepticism what so ever because that has no bearing on anything, once he gets the tickets, his celebrity gets him to the locker rom.
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The fact that he is considered a "celebrity" is exactly what the NCAA hates. That means he gets preferential treatment.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Getting a free car? Yes, bad preferential treatment. Going into a locker room after a professional game? Nothing violation worthy.
All of this is much ado about nothing.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Wasn't Dez Bryant suspended for meeting with Deion Sanders? I admittedly didn't follow that story very closely, but it does seem like a meeting with Deion was central to his multi-game suspension.
Bryant initially lied to the NCAA about his relationship with Sanders. This lengthened the investigation. After coming clean, Bryant eventually got 9 game suspension, I think, but most of it, if not all of it, is due to his lack of being honest.
Thanks, John.
And what dollar value does being in a locker room have? You just can't stop reaching can you?
I'm not reaching for anything...I'm just saying if your the NCAA this has to make your ears perk up. This isn't some personal vendetta.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
I'd bet that their ears indeed do perk up. But the bottom line is that things like this are notoriously hard to determine/prove any wrongdoing. There's always a chance that sketchy boosters could be involved--let's face it, they're involved at all major programs (including ours)--but things like this just aren't worth getting worked up over.
College athletes--specifically football players--are royalty. They're always going to be treated differently--from the SEC to the Bee-one-gee. Best to take it for face value and not get worked up about it; at it's worst (if a booster hooked him up) it's nothing compared to what Auburn and UNC got away with.
Always the voice of reason, Hodge...nice to see sometimes
This. +1
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
I'm almost as tired of "Johnny Football" as I was of Alex Anzalone...
Saw in an article a month or so ago that he had luxury box tickets for a Texans game, as well. Must be nice! Family (I can only assume?) buys you luxury box seats = okay. You write your name on a piece of paper so someone will write on your arm with a tattoo gun = EVIL! Rule-breaker! Hoodlum! Disorderly conduct, failure to identify, and possession of a fictitious driver's license = Heisman Trophy (nothing says "best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity" like being arrested a few months ago lol). Sell rings you won = criminal, miscreant, team cancer.
The NCAA lives in a strange, strange world.
He was also photographed in the Rockets locker room with James Harden. Could be considered a gift as well. Def walking a thin line when instances like Troy Smith taking a few hundred dollars gets the NCAA all worked up.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Coming from a rich family is not an NCAA violation.
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
Are you implying that none of the members of tattoo-gate got in trouble prior to the scandal? Pryor was getting in basketball brawls before he even signed his LOI
i thought steve kerr's comment was the best... " i wonder how he got those? welcome to the sec"
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
A&M fans are claiming his family is wealthy and that is how he got the tickets. However, said he "bought" the tix and the NCAA doesn't like that kind of talk from student athletes. He better be able to produce a receipt for that.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
His parents probably do have good jobs--that's the Texas way. There was a story about his family in the NY Times. It said his mom was a bartender and his dad a car salesman in Tyler. They moved to Kerrville when Johnny was 14 (i.e. when the young star started HS) because his dad had been offered a good job there building houses. Guess what happened when Johnny changed his mind about going to Oregon, and decided to go to AM? His mom was offered a great job as a real estate agent in College Station.
They're very lucky when it comes to finding work.
I dont think you actually read the article. Here is a link to NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/24/sports/ncaafootball/keeping-heisman-co...
They were bartenders when the kid was born...not right before they moved. They lived on a golf course when they lived in Tyler, so I am pretty sure they had money before their kid became a football star.
I was being facetious. I did read the article. In a post below, I did, however, link to the realy company that his mom currently works for and the Honda dealership that his dad works for.
Are people really accusing him of any wrongdoing. His parents are in the oil and real estate industry. Don't think they're poor.
You're a voice of reason, Miles. Thank you!
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
You say "voice of reason" as if anyone is taking this thing seriously. :/
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
You didnt know that anyone who wins from a school other than OSU must be cheating? You must have not spent enough time reading OSU message boards.
I'm not accusing him of anything. I'm just pointing out the NCAA likes to get their panties in a wad over stuff like this.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
The NCAA needs to take a harder look at stuff like this instead of current players tweeting with a potential recruit.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
His dad (Paul) is a car salesman at Fenton Honda of Longview. A quick look at the dealership's facebook page proves it.
His mom (Michelle) is a realtor at Lone Star Realty in College Station. Here's her profile page (she is pretty hot). There's a link on the right side of that page that will take you to the commercial real estate that Lone Star currently has listed. They have five properties listed: three undeveloped lots listed at less than $200K; a three tract undeveloped lot listed just over $500K, and finally some office space that you can lease for $1,000 a month.
Those seem like fine jobs. But they don't seem like jobs that allow you to buy your son front row tickets to the Mavs and the Rockets in the same week. They might be doing better than average but they're not tycoons.
This is just the kind of hard-hitting investigative journalism we don't want on this site! Take it back!
“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren
Ok so he has two parents with full-time incomes, that's more than my family comes from. Who knows what sort of money his extended family comes from. Furthermore, who cares? Kid wins the Heisman, now suddenly everyone wants to catch him in some scandal.
He also doesn't need to spend any money on tuition. So if they saved money for him to go to school he can now use to the money for whatever he wants.. such as court side seats.
Totally worth pointing out that you think that she's pretty hot. Good job; good effort.
Taquitos.
^ I'll be honest.. That is the only reason I clicked on her page.
how about this. his family was saving for his education, operating under the assumption that he might not end up with a scholarship (they probably started planning for this way before it was a guarantee that he would). When his hard work paid off in the form of not only a d1 scholarship, but a heisman trophy, his parents may have decided that he deserved a gift. They could have already had his tuition money put away, so they took some of the extra cash that they no longer need, and they spent a little on their son. Is that so inconceivable?
After watching that debacle of a game i'm betting he wished he spent that money on something else.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
This is just like the idiots who see current players with Tattoos and think something must be up again. Come on. Not every college player is poor. There are some that do come from low income households that do some questionable things (I think going to a courtside heat game is way too obvious if it was really a violation) but some of these kids have pretty well to do families.
besides, doesn't really bother me what these kids do sometimes. NCAA needs to stop this crap and treat these players like everyone else.
There were some of his A&M teammates sitting court side too. You gonna tell me they all bought $1000 tickets? It sounds fishy to me
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Technically if they're second hand sales wouldn't the price just be whatever the buyer is willing to buy for and the seller is willing to sell for? I guess what I'm saying is even if someone sold him the tix at a deep discount as a gift, say like $50 apiece, isn't that still paying at some sort of an unofficial unset market price as determined by the buyer and seller and technically can't be penalized by the NCAA. I'll give you courtside tix for the game, kid...just give me $50 because it's my prerogative what I sell them for...but a sale has been made.
I mean, I don't really know how that works in the NCAAs eyes...I'm just sayin'.
I would think a deeply discounted ticket for Manziel just because he's Manziel is a violation. It falls under "free or reduced cost service not available to regular students" or something like that. If the guy would sell the tickets at that same discounted price to a non-athlete Texas A&M student, then it wouldn't be a violation. It may also be one of those things where it doesn't technically violate the letter of the law but violates the spirit of the rule.
If mommy and daddy bought him the tickets, then nothing to see here!
Class of 2010.
He specifically tweeted that he bought HIMSELF the tickets. He never attributed the gift to his parents.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Boyer - you just can't let it go can you? Until proven otherwise he deserves the benefit of the doubt, yet yourself as others need to turn this into something scandalous without any proof whatsoever...you even took the time to dig up his families history, as I'd that has any bearing at all on Johnny or his parents.
I'm not the one digging up family history, you got the wrong person. Read my posts and you will see I'm not accusing him I'm just skeptical because these are expensive things he is doing and the NCAA is very weary of that.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Boyer - you are correct, I mistakenly lumped your posts with another poster. I apologize.
Really? A down vote for apologizing...someone needs to grow up, or ask mommy for a hug
Just so you know I upvoted you for the apology.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Oh I never thought it was you, I have a serial down voter who likes to down vote every single thing I post.
Case in point. 11w staff - any way I could get an Xmas gift and find out the identity of my admirer(s)?
If this were Braxton Miller sitting court side, and the same outcry came out against Ohio State, this board would be aflame with people declaring a witch hunt.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Well Cavs seats that close wouldn't be worth more than $50. Also because people would actually be taking it seriously. I don't believe anyone on here actually cares all that what Manzel is doing. That's something you and Cincy are clearly missing.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
I guess it would raise questions then how Manziel got the money, then, if he bought them. Frankly, I don't care. These are the same arcane rules that many of our fans complained about during Tatgate. So somebody obviously made something happen to get him some courtside seats. That's...cool...
Class of 2010.
If everyone was entitled to the same discount it is ok, but if they were given a discount because of who he is, it's a no-no.
You know what being rich and in the public eye gets you??? Free Stuff. Just because his parents are wealthy doesn't mean they pay for everything. That's one of the perks and ironic things about having tons of money, suddenly a lot of the things you do are free. I'm not accusing him of using his fame and notoriety to cheat, but just because his parents have that oil money doesn't mean he's incapable of accepting free stuff.
And in this day and age of Twitter scandals, is anyone really sursprised that people automatically see a story like this and scream foul play? It's probably not the right thing to do, but there are probably 50 other threads like this happening on other fan sites. I'm sure the Longhorns are having a field day with this.
This keeps getting better. His parents also just bought him a brand new camaro.
http://twitter.com/merimanziel/status/265154539647279105
They still make Camaro's? I thought those went out of style with Scott Baio.
Oh my gosh...parents buying their children a car? Oh the humanity!!!
I'd say there's nothing to see here....it's the SEC now for TX A&M...if they were in the BIG 12...he'd be investigated.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Guys, this may come as a shock but the NCAA does not treat the SEC any different than anyone else. Its all perceived and comes off as a bit jealous, bitter, and childish.
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Cam Newton was treated differently than everybody else.
Class of 2010
But the NCAA's judgement on that had NOTHING to do with what conference Newton played in.
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Someone posted in another thread yesterday the # of investigations and sanctions issued to SEC teams in the 2000's(there were a lot). I suggest reading that, or just focus on the Newton case if that's helps you affirm your bias.
Newton's case was different than everybody else.
Before him, can you name anyone who had their dad shopping them around in a pay for play scheme?
I don't think he got special treatment or that Auburn got special treatment because it was the SEC. They couldn't find evidence of any payments and Newton himself said he had no knowledge of what his father was doing. The NCAA didn't have any other choise but to believe him.
I believe Newton knew what his dad was doing. I believe Newton was paid to go to Auburn. And I believe Auburn's National Title is tainted, but I don't think the NCAA's ruling had anything to do with them being in the SEC.
Thank you. You and Cincy both. For a while there, I was probably going to leave the office like so...
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That's how I feel whenever Ohio State loses a game.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what can you provide to prove your case?
Well I hope this kid wasn't stupid enough to accept free tickets from a booster or something, especially with all of the scrutiny of being a newly-inducted Heisman winner. But, then again, like a lot of you are saying...it is the SEC.
On another note, (and I don't mean this towards 11w readers per say), but just in general about he socio-political climate of America today...it's a shame that there is so much class warfare. My guess is the kid's parents worked hard enough to have a little extra money to reward their son with a nice birthday or Christmas gift. But, it just seems that anybody who makes money today is villified as evil. God forbid you follow the American dream and become rich...then you're a real target.
But, I think there is really nothing to see here. After watching his parents at the Heisman ceremony, they just looked like good people who love their son a lot. Sure, the dad was crying, but kudos for him -- it's a special moment. If I could afford something like this, I would treat my kid to front row seats as well. More power to him.
Congrats, Johnny Football!
well said ^
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
I like your overall sentiment about class warfare. But I don't think it fits the facts when it comes to Manziel's family. They did come by their initial haul of money legally. Johnny F's great grandpa Bobby Manziel, Sr. discovered several oil fields in Texas.
But the family after him starts to get into a lot of trouble. Bobby Manziel, Jr (Johnny Football's grandpa is his brother) was busted for trying to use fake money and fraud back in '63. In 2002, Bobby Jr (at the age of 61) was arrested by the FBI for possession of 5 kilos of cocaine with the intent to distribute.
Norman Paul Manziel is Johnny F's grandpa and Bobby Jr's brother; he's the one that articles refer to as 'Big Paul' because both he and his son go by Paul. He has a nice little record too: a couple of counts of bribery, one count of tampering with witnesses, and some evading arrest charges.
I can't provide a direct link to the charges, but you can see them all if you go here and search "Manziel, Norman."
There's plenty more out there. Just for fun you should find out what Bobby Manziel III is up to.
Oh, one more thing, one of the family's 'prized assets' is the Tyler Oil Palace. The family corporation (Oil Palace, Inc) owns the property and they're not in good standing with the State because they have failed to meet their tax obligations.
So this means that Johnny and his parents are crooks? Or that Johnny didn't legally obtain his seats? A lot of you have short, selective memory. It was only a year ago that many on here were angered by allegations or assumptions without knowing all the facts, yet here we are doing the same thing.
Of course, it doesn't mean that. I never said that it did. I've already linked to his parents' wholesome jobs above. I know his dad's a hardworking car salesman and his mom's a realtor.
Guys relax, the media is busy dealing with real issues. Somewhere out there is an FCS coach plotting a raffle rigging to land a blue chipper #rafflegate
haha rigged raffles ! LOL
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
One more thing to consider, it's entirely plausable that Manziel's parents had money set aside to help or pay for his collegiate education. His scholarship to A & M made that money much more liquid. Also, the guy just won the Heisman trophy, meaning there's about a 95% chance that this kid is going to be drafted and then paid an NFL salary. Manziel's sitting on a winning lottery ticket; his family knows this and is spending like it, as well.
Boosters are everywhere, though; when college football players score nice cars or luxury goods, odds are that there's something sketchy afoot. Terelle Pryor, and many other OSU players (including those who never got busted) can attest to this. Sketchy things happen at all big-time programs, and as long as they're not using it as a selling point in recruiting (a la what we all think Auburn was doing), I could really care less. We're very far from the wholesome, secondary-education pastime that the NCAA would like fans to believe this sport is.
I've given up caring that OSU got the shaft from the media. The reason that the media circled our program like vultures and sensationalized our violations is the exact same reason we landed arguably the best coach in the buisiness. The pubic wants us to fall, and we get right back up, stronger than ever. I'm going to have so much fun drinking their tears for the rest of Urban's tenure.
I enjoy my tears on the rocks lol. Cheers my friend.
Where there is smoke, there is usually fire...
This isn't smoke though...
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
From what I've read he had front row tickets to the Mavs and Rockets all in the same week. Plus, he had a luxury box at a Texans game earlier this year. I don't believe his parents are millionaires. There's smoke...
Miles just told us his parents are in the oil industry, which more than likely means they are pretty wealthy. Plus, he just had a birthday which means money from family (not illegal). Yes, I'll admit it's not normal for a college kid to get court side seats, but because he had a few by no means he did anything illegal. As said above, if this was Braxton Miller, 95% of this board would be crying witch hunt if people called this "smoke"
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
There was A LOT of "smoke" around our program that ended up being nothing...
Manziel is a celebrity now. Different ball game for him altogether. People that run businesses (NBA, NFL, MLB....heck, even NCAA) want Manziel to be seen enjoying their product. He will be given things and asked to be present at events. His image will be used by ESPN, Texas AtM, CBS, FOX, NCAA, the SEC, The Downtown Athletic Club.
It's not like Texas AtM gets anymore of a competitive advantage from Maziel going places and being seen at places. Dude won the Heisman. Tebow, Lienhart, Bush, Newton and RGIII all became in demand, recognizable faces. Troy Smith as well, until Florida snuffed his flame a bit, shortly after the award ceremony.
Troy Smith was from the rough streets of Cleveland, but he managed to travel about to various award ceremonies and public speaking events. Wouldn't doubt that he attended some Browns' games or was a guest of LeBron James at some Cavalier games.
JBGB, that is the issue-they can't give him tickets, pay him to be present at events... against NCAA rules. He cannot be treated any differently than any other TAMU college kid. Period.
kind of impossible, when he is: on National TV playing a sport, his image is in programs sold for $5 a pop in front of AtM's Stadium, his image is show on various T.V. network pregame / postgame NCAA football shows, He is flow to New York, and while on TV, is singled out as a college student who has seperated himself from all others, on the football feild.
Texas AtM and the NCAA are making alot money from his celebrity.
His family is reportedly into oil and real estate so they obviously are financially secure. So the kid is super talented, has a hot model girlfriend, and comes from a wealthy family? I see why the hate. LOL. Seriously enough already. We don't like it when they do it to us so I am not jumping on this kid. Not biting.
Check out Greyshield's posts a bit up; into oil and real estate does not equal wealthy.
I hear snake oil is a really popular sale with some SEC coaches
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
The FACT is we dont know ANYTHING about his parents wealth...everything said today is nothing but assumption.
His family is pretty well off and there was already a huge hissyfit about him wearing a rolex to the Heisman ceremony. People were like "how can a college kid have a nice watch?"
It'll be ok
My posts were intended as a parody of so-called sports journalism and particularly the sensationalism surrounding real and imagined NCAA infractions.
I found most of this information accidentally. The NY Times article on Johnny Football's family made his grandpa and great-grandpa sound very interesting. They sounded like the type of good ol' boys that I love from that generation. His great grandpa's life is truly legendary--he was a Lebanese immigrant who became a college football standout, a sparring partner with and friend of Jack Dempsey, and a legendary cockfighter before he struck oil and made a fortune in Texas.
All the negative news about his family came from one website that I stumbled upon while looking for more news about Bobby Sr. When I read that news, I thought of how an enterprising young reporter could weave this into a multi-page story in ESPN magazine or SI, complete with glossy mugshots of the wayward family members, images of government documents, etc.
I guess I should have been a little more thick with the sarcasm. I sort of thought most people in this thread were doing the same thing.
The point was that one could build a narrative that would seem to meet ESPN's standard of credibility over a matter of minutes with just a couple of keystrokes. All without jumping into campus dumpsters, interviewing drug dealers, or sending endless FOIA requests to an athletic department.
We can all agree the NCAA claims to hold student athletes to a higher amateur standard, but then turns around and profits billions off of said student athletes. The culture and hypocrisy of college athletics is clearly evidenced in the fact that almost every major football program has been hit with sanctions at some point. I by no means was trying to say JF is treated any different than any other Heisman winner, but when gets on twitter to flaunt his new found celebrity and tells people to "stop hatin", I can see why he was banned from talking to the media for most of the year. I thought this was a polarizing story that would stir up some good arguments and I think I was successful.
Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Christ, (almost) everything about this post and thread is the worst.
Being butthurt ad infinitum does no good. Who gives a shit.
Taquitos.