After reading the reports from James Quick's visit to L'ville over the weekend, it's officially time to move on. He's going to be a Cardinal and that seems to be the reality of the situation. He said he wants to see OSU one more time, but I can't see him being a Buckeye. He's experienced The Game and Urban has recruited him hard for a while now. The recruiting dead period starts tomorrow and I believe he's announcing the first week of January. I have faith in Urban and the staff but I believe we are going to miss on this kid. I believe we need to turn our focus to some other receivers, particularly Timmons since he wants to be a Buckeye.
Who are the other WR's out there we have a shot at?
Corn Elder is another one OSU staff is looking hard at.But I agree,Timmons has seemed like he's wanted the offer bad,so why not give him a shot.Staff is still waiting to see if Gibson can get his scores together as well.But I agree,if "THE GAME" didn't change Quicks' mind,we need to move on with the players we can get.He has visited Louisville A LOT!!
SCOTTC.
Elder is one guy that I don't think gets talked up enough. He has 4.4 track speed and a tremendous burst. Pretty solid hands. Could easily play RB, Slot, or PR/KR for us if needed.
There is a lot to be said for guys that really, really, really want to be Buckeyes. Of course, you can't just take anybody, but I think Timmons has enough in talent and potential to warrant the offer...but then again there's probably a reason I'm not the head coach of tOSU...
"The revolution will be televised."
I'll go ahead and trust the staff.
I'm not saying I don't trust the staff. Sometimes there are factors that even the best recruiters can't overcome. This kid is from L'ville, his dad played at L'ville, and he's visited there multiple times. I just think its time to look at other options especially if there's a chance Gibson's grades/test scores might not check out.
I can count 38 reasons last year and 45 reasons this year. Electronically timed 4.4. Timmons is now getting courted pretty aggressively
By OSU or other schools?
Both. Plus he beat the. Group by 5 yards that supposedly runs 4.4s and 4.5s. It truly wasnt even close at FNLs.
Well... Personally I'm hoping to pick up Qibson and Timmons now. If we haven't impressed Quick enough to be in the lead then maybe it's not meant to be.
I love the way you love this dude, dude. I hope he ends up a Buckeye.
"The revolution will be televised."
LET'S DO IT!!
Slight problem... we gotta wait til January to see what happens!
If Quick announces for L'ville, does the staff offer Timmons right away or do they wait and offer when he visits?
I honestly can't say. We will have to see what they do. I think it will take a combination of Elder and Quick going elsewhere for an offer.
He did not commit. I'm not giving up.
He is ALL Louisville. Personally I think Gibson is better. Quick had the benefit of Freshman notoriety. He is good but certainly nothing like a Calvin Johnson. More like a shorter slower Randy Moss.
Verlon Reed is leaving the program. This could possibly make room for Timmons if Quick goes to L'ville. With the extra room I'm not sure if it matters what Elder does. I personally hope Elder chooses to go somewhere else.
if timmons has a choice of uk or tosu, where does he go?
OSU... We have been tops on his list even without offering him. He knows he can't win at UK.
The only reason a kid like Timmons would consider UK is just to stay home. UK cannot offer anything else...especially a winning season.
UK can offer PT immediately and if they were to be able to package a deal with him and somebody like Drew Barker they could build a foundation.
A foundation for what? A winning season? It's Kentucky - let's be realistic. They suck!
Football players at Kentucky will always be 2nd class athletes to their basketball players. There is even an interesting moment caught on video when UK's athletic director was introducing new head coach Mark Stoops to the facilities. As they were in one of the weight rooms, Stoops asked how many weight rooms UK had. The athletic director replied with three...this room, one that is open to all student athletes, and one that is basketball only. UK basketball players have the newest and best facilities all to themselves. They even have a brand new state-of-the-art dorm built specifically for them to pamper them, and to accomodate their taller than normal bodies. They even have their own chef. And, it just so happens to be right next door to the practice facilities and weight rooms.
I saw that video and they were in the football weight room. Basketball and football get their own. Kentucky is trying to build a competitive team as evidence by the hiring of stoops and his assistants. It might take a couple of seasons but I expect stoops to turn them around
Yeah they are trying. I just don't see UK having the ability to field a team that consistently competes for SEC titles. They don't have the athletic budget, they don't have the facilities, and they don't have the recruiting base. Stoops could have an effect on the recruiting base, but in order to effect change on the budget and facilities, they will have to take away from the basketball program. That will never fly at UK. They just aren't a big enough school to support two top tier teams.
If Stoops were to have success there, that would make his name become high on many lists of bigger schools looking for new coaches down the road. He won't last long at Kentucky, one way or another.
TOSU He has been pretty up front where he wants to go. I am not an expert at this but his #'s don't lie. Would love to have him.
How Firm Thy Friendship....
With Reed leaving the program we need to go after Elder and Timmons. Quick seems like he's all UL although some people have said him announcing at the UA game could indicate he might pick OSU because its more national crowd verses announcing at his hometown for UL. I feel like the staff is trying to reach way too far with Dylan Wiesman for an OL. I'd rather them take another top tier player at another position then reach for a guy that will get buried in the depth chart and not sniff the field.
What happened with Kyle Meadows? Wasn't he being recruited by OSU? Weird that they were recruiting him and now they've offered Wiesman... Are they diff positions? I agree with your statement tho.
The staff saw Meadows at a camp up close and were not impressed at all from what Ive read. As for Quick still dont get how people can write this off yet esp considering who our coach is. One thing ive learned with recruits since the time i heard it is watch what they do not what they say. Going by recruiting articles alone is not the best way to predict things. As for Timmons again Jalin and Jacobs have his spot and will not be in this class if Gibsons grad are good and reports are they will be. Yeah its great hes fast but his route running is not great like Jacobs , Gibson, and Quick .....you know guys that have been playing only WR in HS. Timmons is a RB that can project as a WR slot guy and again thats Jalin Marshall and again hes not better than Jalin. I do like Timmons but plan C guys typically dont find their way into classes recruited by Urban Meyer.
Edit: Wiesman is possibly a fall back guy for Cameron Hunt who we have a legit shot at but by no means does it mean Dylan will be in this class unless Warriner goes to bat for him.
I would agree with your argument except for the fact that the staff is still recruiting Corn Elder and he is the same position as Marshall and Jacobs. His opponent talent level is probably about the same as Timmons'. He also wants to play basketball which take time away from football. Timmons could line up in the slot or in a typical WR position. It's not about size, it's about hot, nasty badass speed. Urban is looking to build the fastest team in America.
The WR position we are lacking is on the outside and yes you do have to have size to play out there where you play closer to the LOS and face far more man coverage. This is why you always see smaller quicker WRs in the slot bc it gives them more room to get open against LBs and nickel DBs whose cover skills are not starter material. Timmons doesnt have the skillset to play outside IMO while players like Quick and Lonnie Johnson do. As for speed, yes Urban wants it in bunches but the trait he cherishes above all others is the ability to get to top speed in a certain timeframe and amount of steps while maintaining max agility. That is far different than just straight line speed which is what Elder and Timmons are compared to Jacobs and Jalin.
I don't believe we actually offered Wiesman
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
they haven't but they are bringing him in for an OV which is a big step towards and offer
Don't think Quick is gone.
One thing I see that works in our favor is that Quick is announcing at the AA game; a big national stage with Mike Mitchell (who I think will commit to OSU) and several OSU commits. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any Louisville commits will be there. The AA game is on Jan 5th and the dead period ends on the 3rd I believe.
Also the fact that he will be announcing at the game and not his HS gym or local venue I think works in our favor. All most every announcement at a local, hometown venue is a great sign for the local team. He could very well commit to Louisville at the game but I have faith in this staff that they will close the deal on this one. Mitchell and Quick will be Buckeyes on Jan 5th!
WRs like the big stage.
I say take him just for the fact he wants to be here. He has other options but wants OSU. He has great numbers ya it may not be in the best H.S conference but he can play. He has that "lightning in a bottle" play. I'm sure there may be better but passion for your school can also bring the best out of you.
Wherever you are, there you be!
Timmons would be exceptional for returning kicks/punts if nothing else. With that speed, get him to the edge and look out. He would be worth a handful of TDs there alone. We can find a spot on the field for him but if not, how could Urban ever be questioned about recruiting?
Reading this thread it makes me really happy to know that someone that knows football and how to scout players is in charge and not a bunch of guys that watch youtube videos :)
I would really like to see Timmons in this class, he probably won't be there. I'm pretty confident that he will be successful at whatever school he ends up attending.
Help is on the way.
We need a true WR still, a spot that Quick can fill that Elder and Timmons can't
Then why recruit Elder anymore? If we need a true WR we shouldn't be recruiting him. We should be going after North and Stevens.
My point is... Elder has played 95% running back in high school... He wants to play both sports in college taking away his focus from football. If we miss on Quick, Elder shouldn't be the guy to fill that spot.
Timmons has played both WR and RB... He wants to play football only in college. He is the best choice of the 2.
I don't see Quick in this class. After all the phone calls, visits, etc. Quick still has L'ville on top.
Doesn't mean they're done at the slot. The point is, Elder isn't a replacement for Quick.
Apparently they aren't done with the slot if they're still recruiting Elder. I understand that Elder isn't a replacement for Quick, but if we are trying to find an alternative for Quick it needs to be North or Stevens. I personally think you can put speed at every WR spot and not worry about size. That's the reason I am pulling for Timmons now. I don't believe Quick ends up in this class. Just blows my mind that he experienced The Game and still has L'ville on top. I understand early playing time, distance, etc comes into play with recruits, but OSU isn't that far from L'ville. He would also see early playing time at OSU.
You cannot know that for sure. You can never tell early PT, it's purely speculative.
Dad's alma mater is U of L . There is definetly something about wanting to be a buckeye. Do you all recall the young man that absolutely beat OSU single handely from south carolina during our bowl game with them? Ryan Brewer , always wanted to be a Buckeye. His dad was a Vinyl rep in the housing industry and , told me that they dispised Cooper, because he never extended an offer, but courted Ryan.
Give me heart anyday
It's a difficult position for both OSU and kids who are "2nd options" to be in. I like Timmons and have nothing against him, but it's clear he's behind some guys on OSU's wish list. I don't think you can move on Timmons until Quick is clearly gone. And Quick isn't going to say something bad about L'ville when he just visited there and it's basically his home town school. Just like no one leaves an OSU vist and goes "well that sucked"
how can you say it is clear? None of us know for certain where the coaches have players ranked. Maybe they have told Timmons that he is in if he wants but they want to see who else they can get in with him. Maybe an offer to him will turn off others. We don't know. Maybe they are persuing Quick more because of the greater need for an outside receiver even though they like timmons better.
just can't be so certain on stuff, just like this post can't really be certain Quick is all UofL.
Well I'd say it's clear because some have commitable offers and some don't. Alex and others have said he's a plan B. I have no problem with him in the class, but it seems that he's not the top guy on Meyers' board
This is the moment where the scholarship reduction sucks the most.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
There are no replacements in recruting first off...you either get that guy or not. Diggs and Neal ring a bell from last year. Elder or Timmons at this point...count Quick out IMHO(which sucks ass if he chooses Louisville...really want Quick).
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
timmons has SEC type talent, timmons unlike diggs and neal from last year, wants to be a buckeye. what seems to be the problem for anyone to understand that? i have seen the kid play, he has "IT".
FWIW: Wasn't the story that Neal wanted to be a Buckeye and even tried to commit, but OSU wouldn't take his commitment.
FWIW: I was talking more about Diggs than Neal. Neal had Daddy issues (meaning his dad was WAY to involved with his son's recruitment) and had some off the field issues from what I coud tell. UFM waited for Diggs...bet that doesn't happen this year. If they're being recruited, have a "committable" offer (what ever that is), then they should be in if they want to be a Buckeye.
Timmons will be in bc Quick is out...don't need to be on staff to figure that out. Strong's staying at Louisville and that was going to be a big factor for Quick.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Lol if people would actually watch some of these teams that play in Kentucky I think you would change your mind. The staff isnt offering Timmons, end of sentence.
Are you on the staff? I figure you'd have to be in order to know such information regarding who will and will not get offers.
I'm not saying he gets an offer or not, but it could work out for him to get an offer.
Nobody really cares about the level of competition. I think most people were impressed with his showing at FNL...
Do you discount all the talent in Ohio as well that doesnt have the high caliber comp. i think Ezekel Eliott is great but his comp level was even worse. I dont care because Eliott is a stud.
By the way I will throw this out there. Trinity IMO was not the best team in the state. That honor should have gone to 5A Bowling Green.
well plus I don't care about talent level when it comes to facing 3-4 players each time. The talent Timmons team played may have been crap but when you are constantly being the focus of half the defense and still getting stats like crazy, then the kid has to be a stud.
Unfortunately I have not been able to follow much lately, how did he do at the all-star game in bardstown? I would assume if he still did the usual against the best combined talent of the state, then that would mean something right?
It was a cold and very rainy day from what I was told and the score was just 9-8. I did hear the 3 kids from Frankfort performed well but i think it was something like 170 - 150 yds. Not ideal conditions. I was in Phoenix and didnt go
I think the team that hasn't lost a game in the state of Kentucky for like 5 years was better than Bowling Green. Highlands was ranked ahead of Bowling Green in many of the state rankings as well. They only had one commone opponent, Lexington Catholic, and Bowling Green played a pretty close game with them. Highlands blasted them 61-28.
Trinity was absolutely the best team in Kentucky. They played and beat very good programs from other states. They lost to 1 team, Moeller who was the Ohio D-1 State Champion this year. They beat St. X twice, they beat the number 6 team 67-7 in the state championship game. Trinity was easily the best team, by a wide margin. The debate would be who was 2nd best, and I don't really believe that is very close either.
Bowling Green beat St X more impressively than Trinity. Plus did you see Bowling Greens schedule also?
Trinity's first win against St X was 34-7, to me that's more impressive than Bowling Green's 38-31. Then they played a 2nd time in the playoffs and that was a close 15-14 win. It's a big rivalry, it was the 2nd time they played and it involved a trip to the state title. No real surprise that a talented team like St X would put up a fight in the quarter finals of the state tournament. So I believe wins against Elder, St. X , 2 wins against Louisville St. X are more impressive than what Bowling Green put together this year. Again, their lone loss came to Moeller, the Ohio Division 1 state champ, and we know how people value competition around here. No one in Kentucky could beat them and 2 other GCL teams couldn't.
To me, and many polls, Highlands was number 2. Elder, a team Trinity handled pretty easily, beat Highlands by 14. Bowling Green had a hell of a season, they won the state in their division, but there is no way they are better than Trinity.
Ezekiel Elliotts offers: ND, UGA, Nebraska, Wisky, PSU, Tennessee. 19 offers.
Ryan Timmons offers:Arkansas, UK, Illinois, Purdue, BGSU, Toledo. 9 offers.
Scholly offers from BCS schools don't lie. Again, someone please tell me why Timmons has no offers if he is the best around?!
Add for Timmons Wisky WV and MissSU. He already told them no
PSU? Seriously
Penn State has been more consistent then any of the schools that have offered Timmons. What I'm saying is that the only thing that matters at the end of the day is offers.If he doesn't have a offer from TOSU then the coaches have better prospects in mind. Pretty simple.
Cant argue that point
Seantrel Henderson's list of BCS offers disagrees. BCS schools miss on talent evaluations and predictions of next level success, just like everyone else.
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
You're crazy if you think any team could touch trinity in the state, they dropped 61 on Highlands and they're clearly the second best team in the state.
Clearly? Not so clearly at all. BG is better than you think especially if you use the word clearly.
BG plays in the worse division in kentucky, what evidence do you have to prove they are good? A win over a down St.X team?
Rural 6 of the top 13 teams are 5A.
4 6A
6 5A
3 4a or below.
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Highlands and Trinity didn't play in the regular season though. It may have been in a scrimmage or something like that. I don't think they would of beat Highlands like that in regular season, but they definitely were better than Highlands and I agree Highlands was easily the best team in Kentucky not named Trinity. Since the first game of 2007, they've played over 80 games during that time, they've lost exactly 1 game to a school from Kentucky. They have a total of 3 losses, one was to Colerain, one to Elder, and one to Ryle here in NKY. They've beat Elder, Louisville St. X, St. X and Trotwood in that time.
I absoloutely HATE Highlands, but until teams from Kentucky prove they can beat them, they are the easily the 2nd best program in the state, and the results rival what Trinity has done.
They scrimmaged at Highlands the score was 63-31, you're right to say the score wouldnt happen in the playoffs but thats serious seperation between the best and the second best
Oh I agree, in my opinion it was Trinity, then a big gap to Highlands, then a big gap to Bowling Green. Highlands doesn't just beat teams, they destroy them. Especially, when they come from Kentucky.
again as i said a bit ago, timmons has SEC talent. is that very hard to comprehend? he has "IT"
I'm not exactly sure what you are saying... Can you please explain? Define "IT"...
I know what Buckeyestu is trying to say about Timmons.
Does Timmons have a good fundamental upbringing and support system? He has IT. He is a youth leader at his church and the congregation repays this young man by showing up and offering him support in return.
Does he take care of his family? He does IT by giving support to his mother and Twin sister.
Does he take care of his acedemics. He does IT by accumulating a 3.7 GPA.
Does he show Leadership on the field He does IT. In a society where jealousy especially in High School can dominate especially if you have several other good athletes on the team. His team mates truly looked up to him and Timmons did all he could do each and every week.
Does he have the athleticism to compete? He has IT. Undisputable speed Quickness and strength. If he had chosen basketball he would have been a high level D1 recruit. His game is a lot like Aaron Craft. 10.61 100M 4.32 40 pr. 42" vertical.
Just because Kentucky does not have an abundance of great High School Teams doesnt mean they are void of talent. Point I made once before several high ranking and athletic looking Ohio High Schools come to Kentucky every year for BB and in most cases go away with a 30 pt loss against average Ky teams, not because of the athletes but instead because of the coaching.
i like Timmons but this beyond a stupid remark. Timmons has SEC talent but who from the SEC has offered? UK and Arkansas? Both bottom feeders on a consistent basis. Ill trust Urb on this one....
Arkansas offered when Bobby Petrino was head coach and Arkansas was a top 10 program. Petrino was on record of saying Timmons was his top priority Most Arkansas fans saw Timmons as a cross between Joe Adams and Felix Jones. Hardly a bottom feeder. Additionally I am on record saying Kentucky beats Louisville next year and goes 8-4. Believe it or not coaching can make a difference.
Dude i go to UK and we have absolutley no shot of beating U of L next year. Your delusional. In a few years maybe, but if you honestley look at UK's schedule and see 8 wins on there you need to get your head checked. They had a grand total of TWO wins last year. They'll be improved don't get me wrong and i'm optomistic about what Stoops will bring but saying 8 wns is rediculous.
Did you watch the Louisville game last year with UK? It wasnt out of reach. Did you watch Louisville against UConn? UConn! What a joke! Uk had a very young team last year. I do have optimism.
UK doesn't have the talent in place to win 8 games next year. Coaching does make a difference but when you have great coaching. I just don't see UK's staff as ELITE enough to improve them that much in 1 year. Rich Brooks was probably their best coach the last 30+ years and it took him several seasons to win 8 games. No way these guys do it overnight.
If the coaches at UK are smart they'll call Drew Barker and Ryan Timmons as much as possible...
not arguing that UK sucks but Rick Brooks took a few years to get going because they were under probation. His first 3 years were dealing with the lack of talent from the prior staff. his 4th year was when he really put his stamp on the team even though they still sucked.
I think Waycraken is a bit overestimating things but Joker was a joke as the HC, the team was scrap for even a UK team and its been pretty well known for years that a spread, junk offense works best with teams that can't compete recruiting wise. The staff that is coming in will fit what UK needs way better than what Joker was trying to build.
but they are not beating UofL next year. Louisville will be tough, especially if they get Quick. Quick and Parker would make Urban salivate!
I'm not discounting the impact of the probation and sanctions, just pointing out, he was probably the best coach UK has had maybe since Bear Bryant and he was only able to get to 8 wins 2 times while at UK. Hal Mumme didn't get there with Tim Couch and Dusty Bonner(he was a great QB actually) and Guy Morris couldn't with Lorenzon.
No way, with a no name QB, and a pretty modest cast of characters UK wins 8 games next year. I'm guessing they'll be lucky for 5 or 6.
Yeah but the past might no longer be relevant now. Supposedly they are planning to take those huge dollars they get from the basketball program and SEC money and actually spend it on good coaching. Kentucky really has no excuse, SEC gets them a ton of money not to mention Cal and the basketball team. Much like most of the big ten, they have the money to spend but are being cheap and hiding behind "we can't compete" nonsense. Joker should have been smart too and tied himself to Cal as much as possible. Cal could even recruit football if he wanted too. probably just need to ask for his help.
UK and Arkansas are consistent bottom feeders. 1-2 years of good teams in 20 years is considered bottom.
Wow...I think Bill Clinton and Brett Bielema would disagree with you about that bottom feeder part about Arkansas...not KY...you hit the nail right on the head with that one.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Didn't read these reports...as recent as this weekend, the staff seemed pretty optimistic about Quick. What has changed? What did he or someone else say?
Said that L'ville is still #1... Had a chance to watch practice, sit in on film study, and talk with the coaches about how they would use him. Also wants to major in accounting and got to check out L'ville academics. Said he would like to see OSU again, but he is annoucing January 5th and recruiting dead period started today.
Yeah, that's definitely not great....
Not bashing Louisville, but there academics aren't on the same planet as OSU's.
I never buy into the kids talking about academics anyway, but at the end of the day if he stayed 4 years, is an undergrad accounting degree from Ohio State really any different than one from Louisville? I have a good friend who got a degree in accounting from NKU and another who got one from Thomas Moore and both are pulling in really nice salaries right now. I just don't honestly see academics as a pull for a football player, and even if they were I think C'mon, you are going for an undergrad, bachelor's degree. Unless you are going to try an elite grad school program somewhere, does it really matter where it came from? I just don't think so.
Also he has visited Louisville many many times. As much as Burrows visited OSU. Hung out all day with Teddy Bridgewater this past weekend.
Just some food for thought: in the boarding house today on Bucknuts a source in Lousiville chimes in on the James Quick situation: he says that Quick loves OSU and wants to go to OSU but the source doesn't think he'll be able to fight the pressure of staying and playing for the hometown team.
Which is why we need to turn the heat up on Timmons... Let him know that an offer is on the way if Quick chooses L'ville. He doesn't care if he is a back up option. Maybe put a chip on his shoulder to come in and work his tail off.
I don't buy that at all. If he wants to go to Ohio State and loves it there, then he'd go. Obviously, he loves Louisville too. Peer pressure alone isn't going to make him commit to Louisville and turn down Ohio State. Obviously, he enjoyed his visit here, but there's more to him playing at Louisville than friends and family want him to go there.
Look at the past history of great players from Louisville. A LOT OF THE ME STAY HOME. People from Louisville are usually quite loyal to the city. Brian Brohm could of gone anywhere in America. Everyone wanted the kid. Michael Bush, would of played QB for some schools, but he stayed at Louisville to be an RB instead because Brohm was coming in. If Quick goes to Louisville, it's because that's where he wanted to go.
Every time there's news about Quick I swear most people on this site overract every time. He LOVED his OSU visit and people came out and start saying he's a done deal. Now he visits UofL and everyone thinks we have no chance. The reality is no one knows where this kid is going until he announces. He came out last week and said it's neck and neck between OSU and Louisville, we need to quit overracting to every little bit of news. As far as Timmons goes we also won't know if he's getting an offer until Quick announces. It's a toss up between him and Elder for the spot if Quick chooses UofL, it's a complete waste of time to post about how we "NEED" to offer this kid "NOW" when we have better options that still need to decide. Lets let things play out for once.
You're like me with your typing...you like all caps;-) In all seriousness....Gene's quick bits makes it very clear after Quick's visit to Louisville nothings changed. Still has Louisville as the favorite and his dad said the same thing...it's all up to James. It's going to be tough with Strong staying as HC. I don't read ANYTHING on Bucknuts...Derek, Alex, Miles and Gene know more than they do (besides Bill Green and Bill Kurelic with Hellwagon as I call him are the only ones there that know anything IMO of course). I used to pay...never again.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I dont even mean to do it but i swear i hit caps lock every other word. 11W definitley tends to be more informed but it's nice to get another perspective on things. As far as this race with Quick goes it's going to be up to Quick. If he doesn't come to Ohio State I really believe it's because he likes Louisville better and not all this "outside pressure". That being said I really hope he comes here because i'm not sold on our other options just yet.
This, people sway their opinion's off of any thing someone posts on the interwebs. Urban still has plenty of oppurtinity to land Quick
To show how close this is here's a quote from 24/7 this morning
“I have no doubt that James wants to come to Ohio State,” the source said. “I believe he favors Ohio State.""The pressure on this kid to stay home is something you in Ohio cannot understand. If Ohio State misses on the top player in-state there is going to be another next year. He will be as good and possibly better. James Quick is the best skill position player out of this state since Michael Bush. He might be the best since Shaun Alexander. The pressure on James to stay home is something I do not believe he has the strength to stand up to. I know he wants to. I want to be clear about that. He has always favored Ohio State.”
To say this race is anything but a toss up is insane.
You wait on Quick before moving on to Elder or Timmons.. 'OFFERS' to either Elder or Timmons will be a sure sign Quick has made his intentions known to the staff.
And if Quick is such a 'lock' to the Ville, why hasnt he pulled the trigger and helped recruit others?
Dont know where he'll end up, but I agree with the others who feel its way too close to call at this point.
Does Timmons get the offer if Quick and Elder go elsewhere, Gibson doesn't qualify and Bell goes to Bama?
Whatever is going to happen to Timmons we will know in a few short weeks. Coaches told him no offer by his OV date he should look elsewhere. Gotta give it to him. Most would have walked away a long time ago.
Is there a source for this, in that if he has no offer he should look elsewhere?
Help is on the way.
Yes it was a quote from his coach after the first OSU visit. Then there was visit #2 and 3 shortly thereafter.
^^^ I agree completely^^^ Him not choosing to go else where, and wait it out is exactly why I want him in this class.
so much this BuckinBama & Way; Timmons has been total BROman about this recruitment.
theDuke
Look, one thing is clear about Ryan Timmons is that he REALLY wants to be a Buckeye. I think we've all seen kids like this at one point or another - Ryan Brewer is the first that comes to mind - who are desperate for an offer form OSU, but it never comes. Frankly, I'd really like to see him in this class.
In regards to James Quick, it is a very interesting situation. The pressure to stay home, from your peers/parents/whoever, can be a little overwhelming at times. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. One thing that people are saying is that if he wants to announce at the AA game, it favors OSU. Just to play devil's advocate, he may want to do it at the AA game to give Louisville a big commitment on the national stage. Who knows though.
Help is on the way.
This board's odd obsession with Timmons is truly fascinating...
Cause I couldn't go for three
seriously. all the "he REALLY wants in this class/to be a buckeye" as grounds for giving him an offer nonsense is extremely silly. I have no doubt that he's a great kid, but how many in-state players at MAC schools would have LOVED to be a buckeye? Countless I'm sure. I've not seen them perform like supermen in games against OSU because of this fact.
Im sure he is very talented, and again, a great person by all accounts. But D1 football isn't a charity, and every kid who wants a scholorship won't necessarily get one.
He's arguably the best football player in the state of Kentucky...it's between him & Quick. He's a damn good football player.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
every report by a H.S. coach in the state says that they are absolutely equal in terms of abilities. I guess we could say everyone on this site is obsessed with Quick too. The difference is that Quick hasn't shown as much "want" to be a Buckeye. I take the guy who's born and bred everyday of the week.
theDuke
Agreed.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
No, the difference is that they are two COMPLETELY different recievers.
Quick is a true wideout who can be a deep threat and run complex routes against a shutdown corner and win.
Timmons is a slot/hybrid player who played mostly RB in HS. He is fantastic in space but I would never put him in the boundries with a shutdown corner or safety help and expect him to beat that with a route.
We already have two slot/hybrid players in the class (Jacobs and Marshall). We don't have a single true WR. That is why we are pressing so much for Quick (Gibson is sorta in the bag already) cause we need that sort of playmaker something bad.
I can understand when people compare Elder and Timmons, but Quick is in a different category.
Cause I couldn't go for three
Well said and I think that is a valid point. Timmons high school team runs the Texas Tech model of a spread. Meaning most passes are in the 5-10 yard range and allows the playmakers an opportunity to make a big play. I would guess 20% of his routes were beyond 25 yards and he ran them quite well. In the offense he was in there just wasnt the opportunity for him to show on a consistant basis what he can do with the deep route. So I personally think he could convert to a pro style receiver but in this case I think its not needed. A spread offense throws an occassional bomb only to keep the defense honest how many throws did Braxton complete over 25 yards? My point exactly. Even if we get Mr Quick we will not be wasting him on deep routes.
Waycraken is the best hypeman, ever.
Help is on the way.
Just the fact that he "wants" to be a Buckeye isn't the sole reason for many wanting him in this class they have watched his tapes, and their impressed. Timmons is a BCS school caliber football player no matter where he commits. He won't be playing in the MAC conference thats for sure, and he fits the offense Urban wants to run to a T, thats why I want him in this class, not just because he "wants" to be a Buckeye ... Smh ...
I think a lot of people compare Timmons to a guy like Corn Elder and they say that they want Timmons to get the offer because he has visited OSU a number of times, he wears Buckeye gear, he says we would be his leader, and because we have seen about 38 Ryan Timmons threads..
I think Corn Elder is getting a raw deal to be honest. Nothing against WayCraKen for being a solid PR guy, but if there were someone who posted weekly threads with Elder's stats and highlights I think people would be acting a little different. People knock Elder for loving basketball, but credible people (including our own 11w experts) have indicated that Elder knows football is his future and will make the best decision for him, even if it means no basketball.
They really are very similar players. According to Rivals, Elder is 5'11 170 and Timmons is 5'10 186. Both have track speed. Both will be used in the same role at OSU. Elder has an offer, Timmons does not.
Elder is only getting a 'raw deal' on internet forums.
Like you said, Elder has an offer, Ryan Timmons doesn't.
Help is on the way.
That's what I mean, that Elder is getting a raw deal on these forums.
Seems a little low to me... I'm gonna take the over!!
Ive even seen RT listed at 6'1. Which he is not. My best guess he is 5'11 1/2.
Elder is a very good football player. As for basketball Elder is not that great so he has to know football is his best option. In case you wanted to know. In Kentucky's toughest Region (Region 11) Timmons was on all Region team last year and has been top player in district 2 years running and BB is just a hobby to him. Ugly jump shot but terrific point guard and can drive to the goal. Avg over 20 ppg and 8rpg and 4 steals.
Who are the other WR's out there we have a shot at? IDK North, Smith, Allen, Stevens.... Etc
Gibson is pretty much in the bag (and has been for a while)... We aren't really "in" on any other wideouts. There are some that haven't officially eliminated us, but are long shots at best. I think we take 2 more wideouts (MAYBE 3). Gibson is 1. If Quick chooses us, he is two. If Quick says no, we offer Timmons. Elder is the wild card. I think he cold commit today if he wanted, but if we get Gibson and Quick, I don't see the point.
Cause I couldn't go for three
I still think Waycraken is a stalker.
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Thanks. Right back at you.
Read half of this... My conclusion, I feel this is being way over thought. Quick hasn't committed(that I know of right now), no visits can happen, how much of a waste is it for the staff to just make that phone call and keep on chattin? If it doesn't happen, the 2nd level guys that we haven't offered can be picked and chosen as needed, especially if they want to be OSU guys to start. I know this doesn't fit the "justice" of a kid's recruitment, but well, yeah... Anyway, I am trusting in Urban's staff, I think he has a much better idea of what is to happen to win a national title than I do. I just enjoy tagging along for the ride.
Twitter #GetTimmonsToColumbus, trying to combat local pressure to go to UK.
I believe Timmons should now think about helping out the new UK coaching staff and commit to UK or Illinois or Arkansas. Three programs that have him at the top of their list.
He has shown enough patience already and why continue to wait for something that is most likely not going to happen. Id probably buy UK season tickets. I already have OSU tickets but usually attend 1 game a year. Id probably make most of the UK games.
@ dbev1980. yeah good idea, but i think timmons gets huge amounts of playing time at uk as a freshman, and if i am timmons, that is very appealing. either way, if he plays for tosu or uk, i will get to see him play. still wonder if timmons goes uk, quick to louisville, and gibson juco, who does urban get to commit this year?
I am not worried about this situation at all. We will find out on Jan 5th if Quick will be a Buckeye. If he indeed picks UL, that gives OSU almost a full month to offer and recruit Timmons if he is the backup plan for Quick. It's not like Quick is announcing in NSD and it leaves us stuck with an all-or-nothing situation. OSU is in great shape to land either Quick, Timmons, or Elder. There are a lot of schools who would be envious of our situation. I think we see both Mitchell and Quick put on OSU hats on the 5th.
It would be a great surprise if Quick announced tOSU. I do not see that happening
i see he still has a visit planned for 1/11/13...fwiw
theDuke
If Quick chooses Louisville, watch for a strong push from OSU and Urban to get Timmons and Corn Elder (or may be Stevens from FSU..."may be") to commit soon after that 1/11/13 visit....IMO of course....
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
The Timmons hype on this forum is hilarious. The kid camped at OSU twice and saw Taivon Jacobs get an offer ahead of him (a kid that camped and earned his offer).
Timmons had his chances with this staff and failed to overtake Jacobs during the senior camp last summer and then failed to earn an offer after FNL.
People here need to check themselves, this kid failed to earn an offer, period. No total of crap stats from crap Kentucky football is going to overcome failing to impress the staff enough in person to earn an offer (twice).
Jacobs proves that OSU was very willing to offer kids post camp, they just flat chose him over Timmons.
Blas - phe - my !!!!!!!!!
Just saw this...little late to the party...but if you see Quick choose Louisville on Jan 5th, then don't be surprised if Timmons "earns" this offer he "should" have after winning the over all WR/Sprint champion award at FNL. I'd say that probably "earned" him that award but OSU's staff have been waiting for the likes of Quick and Gibson etc, etc. It's not hype if OSU coaches are coming to your school to visit you and watch your playoff games...is it???
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Again, Jacobs was offered after a straight up camp battle with Timmons.
That was followed up by Timmons winning the Sprint drill at FNL and still not getting an offer.
Were is this "winning" of an offer you speak of? Alex has even written that he struggled to show good burst off the line at FNL and that is why he didn't "earn" an offer.
Oh, BTW: Quick, Gibson, Elder, Stevens all have offers while Ryan Timmons doesn't. So I would be easy with that "the staff is just waiting on Quick" crap people like you and Waycraken like to spread here. It's just flat not true.
As far as Jacobs goes you should tell the whole story. Jacobs was already on radar and had relationships already established This was Timmons intro to tOSU and they didnt know a thing about him. Coach Meyer talked to him 90 minutes 1 on 1 afterwards telling him how surprised someone las good and fast as he was wasnt on his board already and they were going to recruit him hard.
I am happy for Jacobs and his family and wish the very best for him. My wish for Timmons and his family is the same whether he becomes a Buckeye or not.
Wow a down vote for this? I hope you are happier in real life whoever you are. Im truly concerned for your anger issues. If you need to talk I am sure we as a community can find help.
Wow...just saw this...how am I spreading crap when the coaches have been seen talking to him at his games and HS oh and he has a visit scheduled....I guess that's crap. Still can't believe this and on Christmas man. Lighten the hell up...it's recruiting and I'm pretty sure these coaches (which is where I'm getting my info via 11W) know what they're doing. I'm not saying it's FOR SURE that Timmons will get that offer...but OSU doesn't want to whiff like they did last year with "talented" players (did you noticed what Diggs did???). Wow...easy there killer...I'm spreading this crap you speak of from Alex and others here...go hit a nice two footer or drink some of grandpa's cough medicine...you need it.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Hey ElastiK>>>>Todays 11W recruiting new years edition is just for you. A direct quote from Alex (who I trust WAY more than you).
Remember..."if given the green light" expect this to happen if Quick chooses Louisville. Looks like I may know a little something huh ElastiK???? Hmmmm this below is for you...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
WTF does this even mean? That the kid camped twice and failed to get an offer and is still in line behind plenty of others (including, but not limited to Gibson, who roasted him at FNL in terms of overall performance, Quick and Stevens, with Elder also being valued ahead of Timmons).
Saying that Timmons is merely waiting on Qucik is a load of crap. Timmons has failed to recieve offers during two camps showings, multiple visits and everything else. That isn't just because of Quick in any manner, it is because the staff values the kid as a worst case scenerio offer. Timmons also camped directly against a committed WR and failed to beat him out and then camped against an offered WR and failed to beat him out (Gibson).
You just seem to think that since coaches have gone to his school and watched him play a game (something they have done for literally hundreds and hundreds of prospects this year) that actually means something.
The proof is in the pudding with Timmons and that fact that he still doesn't haven an offer after practically begging the staff for one is the proof. If he gets one it will not be for any reason other than the preferred options falling apart (and right now that would mean no Quick, Stevens not making a trip, and Elder playing basketball/or Gibson not qualifying).
But yes, Alex just wrote that amazingly if the Buckeyes WR options fall apart they MIGHT offer a kid in the middle of January. Seriously, when has an offer to a top option ever been made in January to a kid? The kid is an emergency option, he should realize that and should move on.
BTW: Rivals has stated that it appears Elder's offer is committable.
sure am glad i am not a bitter person. wow.
Wow I have never ever heard so much hateful comments toward a recruit. And FYI it was OSU that asked him to wait and not vice versa. Your facts are purposely skewed. You must. Be an 18 yo kid to talk with the dis respect you do. I do agree with you on one point I think Timmons should move on. You got to give it to him though. He knows what he wants is confident MATURE and committed to his dream to be a Buckeye.
I would very much appreciate knowing exactly what I said that was "hateful".
Because outside of stating the facts of Timmons recruitment I said nothing about the kid. The kid has shown up to try and get an offer every time he has been given the chance and still doesn't have one. Pointing out that fact (and the fact that he is behind plenty of people on OSU's board) is in no way hateful. If you are so sensitive about your personal hype hysteria that you could take what I said as being an attack on Timmons as a person via hate you have serious defense mechanism issues and need to work on coping with the fact that this kid is a 3 star recruit that failed to beat out WRs that have offers on multiple occasions.
Agreed. They are pessimistic/negative analysis sure (which is totally fine and adds to the conversation), but not hateful, at all. I agree with most of what Elastik has said; I don't really understand the hysteria behind Timmons. He's fast, we get it. But he has had many opportunities to earn and offer and didn't.
Personal attacks aren't cool Waycracken. We understand your passion, but there's nothing wrong with Elastik's analysis of the sitauation. It's pretty well thought out and not really skewed. It's not mean just because it isn't what you want to hear.
Edit: Also, as much as I love TheOzone, Chung is often full of crap as a source for legitimate information. He's wrong A LOT more than he's right.
A question and a suggestion.
What the f is 'SEC type talent' anyway?
I read a guy or two here frequently use that stupid phrase like it's right from the Webster's or something.
Would you(you kno who) please define 'SEC type talent'? PULEEEZ??
How f is that different from PAC10 talent, BIG10 talent and etc.?
Maybe it's just me but I'm really sick of these foolish not-knowing-what-youself-are-bubbling 'SEC' references!
These guys sound like nothing but brain washed SEC homers.
That's all.
I do not use that term for some of the reasons that you probably would not (pride). But the fact is I know exactly what they are talking about and I am sure you know as well. Watch UM play Bama early in the season and it was on display. Im not even going to mention the word because I know you know it. Even Coach is on record of saying what he covets to compete. Its a valid point!
Your point is not valid Way. If Timmons is "SEC" talent, where are the SEC offers?
Well he does have a couple of offers from SEC schools ...
UK and Arkansas.... Not impressed.
but they are SEC offers
SEC talent means Bama LSU UGA and UF. Not UK and ARK
Well I don't think Elder has an offer, but if he does its the "un-commitable" kind, which is just like not having an offer at all. I do believe in a year w/o reduced scholarships R.Timmons would already be committed to OSU. We have bascially 3 slot guys already committed in J.Marshall, T.Jacobs, and possibly E.E, on the flip side of that we don't have any "true" out wide types committed at all. So I we are truly waiting to see what J.Quick does. I'm hoping he pulls a R.Foster, and goes against the grain and commits to OSU over the homestate favorite Louisville Cardinals. Its crazy how people log on here, and hate on these kids/teenagers.
There is no hating on these kids, there is just sheer disbelief at the obsession this place has with a kid that is literally being drug along by the staff as an emergency option (after failing to earn offers in front of the staff 2x at camps and during multiple visits to campus).
Anyone who has commented on a recruits value/potential is neither right or wrong. Nobody knows for sure. Not even the coaching staff knows 100% what a kid will do once he is on campus, grows older, put into situations and coached.........so, maybe you could use your talent of keen observation and enlighten us on something you enjoy, instead of discussing Ryan Timmons. We'll all know in about 7 weeks how this cookie will crumble. Until then let's enjoy!!!!!
Yeah, I have no dog in this fight, but it appears that the only types of comments Elastik has ever made at 11W have been critiques of other commenters' supposedly bad behaviors.
It's perfectly kosher - and, for that matter, encouraged! - to help keep us fools in line around here, make suggestions to elevate the discourse, etc. However, if that's all you do, you'll probably be perceived as a buzz kill.
Maybe he might mix in a few examples of positive analysis?
Per @Miles11W, still making his visit on 1/11.
Help is on the way.