What teams do you think we should add to our future non-conference schedules? Personally, I think we should start scheduling SEC teams from time to time. What if we had a nonconference schedule that was murderers row? Imagine a nonconference schedule of Alabama, LSU, Florida and South Carolina all in a row? haha. Obviously I'm not being serious about that line up but we have no SEC teams on any future schedule so far and I think a home and home series or even a neutral site game with top SEC teams would be interersting.
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So you want us to join the SEC?
No, it was mainly a joke, but what I am serious about is that beating a good SEC team in the nonconference schedule will increase OSU's national perception.
Uh if you had a schedule like that you would never make the title game.
were suppose to play VT, Okaholma and Texas in the future.
We know
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
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Man, you two have been going at it like cats and dogs this weekend.
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Not my fault he gets mad whenever I counter his argument. I honestly wasn't trying to start anything with him, he chose to get his panties in a bunch.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
osu has tried to set up home and home with some of those teams. georgia fell apart because of pac 12 showdowns that are not happening now. same as tenn. heard before that they tried with lsu and florida after chapionship games and they said no. i dont se it happening unless its on game deals like mich did with bama at neutral sites and not up here. i think those teams wont travel to say a indy or ford field.
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They claim theyre the best conference but won't even come North to play in a dome to prove it.
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Have seen a similar thread.
SEC scheduling not a bad thing - 1 per year of Tenn/U GA/'Bama/UF/LSU
Like scheduling 1 "close" real team also. Penn State when I was a kid in the 70's. Think Pitt/W VA/Louisville/Syracuse /NDame*
Then, staggered for difficulty, a home and home national opponent like USC/UCLA/Texas/Washington/Oklahoma or *NDame.
These are the teams we scheduled when we were in the top 5 every year, and I want to go back (to Ohio State, to old Columbus town)
I agree almost completely especially with the second and third part of your point. I like the idea of playing those Pac-12/big-12 teams. I like the idea of playing SEC teams every once in awhile but here time will come. I think it will make Ohio state look a lot better going out west and playing those games and Winning them. If we beat an Oklahoma team or a USC i think its just as good of a resume as any SEC team.
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We had Georgia, Tenn. and Vany on the futre schedules. All games were cancelled.
I don't know why anyone downvoted you, Here is an upvote.
If we're talking about a neutral site game, let's mandate it a true neutral site. Not playing Alabama in Atlanta or playing LSU in Dallas. These are sucker moves the SEC and ESPN use to artificially enhance national perception of dominance in non-conference "neutral" site games. Try scheduling Auburn in NYC (good luck) or Florida in St Louis (insert sarcastic laugh). Don't agree to anything less than a home and home or a true neutral site game.
I for one would like to see the B1G conference or even the NCAA pass a rule that these schools cannot schedule games more than 5 yrs out,
I love the fact that we are playing Oregon, Boston College and TCU, in the future but neither is until 2018-2019 and the 2020-2021 seasons. Who knows how good the Fighting Walrus', Horned Toads or Nike State University will be that far away. I think limiting the schedule to one 5yr recruiting class cycles would ultimately help recruiting in the long run.
It seems to me only logical especially now that the playoff format in 2014 will largely focus on strength of schedule regardless of conference.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
I like BCS cupcakes (BC).
I fear the Ducks but agree re schedule strength and keep reminding myself that Texas got to NCG by beating us and we got there by beating Texas.
I hate TCU because they are not a name school but could still beat us.
i agree that we should put an SEC team on the noncon.... and not a cupcake team either!!!
I want to play premier programs, SEC or not. Gene Smith has taken steps toward that. An SEC team would be cool.
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I also like seeing teams that we've not played in a while. I'd like to see more PAC 12 schools (Not Utah or Colorado). I was disappointed to see the PAC 12/B1G agreement break up.
Pac-12 would be good. Colorado might be a good BCS cupcake and we could get payback for the game in the early 70's where the refs said our on-side kick didn't go 10 yards
Colorado is so bad that the 2011 Buckeye team steamrolled them. Scheduling most BCS teams is good, but CU is so bad it doesn't matter that they're Pac-12.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
A number of comments regarding the challenge of playing SEC teams reminds me of the Texas at Mississippi game from this September. All the buildup leading up to the game surrounded the challenge a traditional power like Texas would face playing a road game against an SEC team. After a 66-31 demolition of Mississippi, an article in the Austin American Statesman asked, "Based on what historical evidence was this supposed to be a challenge. One side is Texas. The other is Ole Miss." Not all SEC teams are created equal.
Grantland had a pretty good article on the dominance of Urban Meyer,Nick Saban, and Les Miles over the rest of the SEC (and college football) that actually references that Texas-Mississippi game:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/37265/how-to-bow-be...
If we keep adding teams to the conference we are only going to have room schedule one or two non conference games. If we do in fact add two more teams that means we will have 8 Leaders division games and at least 1 Legends game (Michigan). That leaves 3 more games to schedule. I'd like to use 2 of those games to play other Legend teams(rotate 2 new teams every year) and one non conference game. With only 1 non conference game a year I would like to see us schedule one bigtime non conference game to be played at a neutral site so that we don't have to do a home and home.
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Wonder what the odds of the B1G as a whole getting behind the nuetral site game would be? Say, possible use Lucas Oil, Ford Field, or even Soldier Field as venues and schedualing Made-For-TV matchups that featured some upper level BCS schools? Jerry's World has done this in the last few years, why not? Just thinking aloud, but it may help our conference land some marquee matchups
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
I know we've had UGA/Tenn/Vandy all scheduled and it just hasnt worked out. It isn't like OSU hasn't tried
There's still time. Plenty of open dates over the next 10 years still need filled, even with the expanded B1G schedule. I'd be all for dropping any MAC schools. We've proven we own them. Time to move on. At least C-USA is a step up. I would LOVE to see us schedule an SEC team just so I can tell my SEC-loving cousin to stick it up their arse.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
I don't know how the rest of the teams past schedules have looked like but Florida hasn't scheduled a game north of the Mason Dixon line since 1991 (a38-21 loss to Syracuse in the Carrier Dome) so if we do schedule an SEC team its likely we will be the travelling team, not them
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
Our in conference games are getting weaker and weaker. We need to schedule at least one top ten team outside our conference if ever we want to get to the NCG. Just my opinion
It seems they're making an effort to schedule teams who are perceived as strong in the coming years. I'm not sure there was much they could do to change the 2013 schedule at the last minute. As for our conference, as usual, I think it will have ups and downs. Of course, it will help if other B1G schools start realizing they have to pay for coaching talent.
As for the OP, I wouldn't mind seeing SEC teams on our schedule. We seem to schedule ACC, Big XII, and PAC 12 teams, so I'm not sure why games with SEC teams like Georgia and Tennessee were cancelled.
@Bassplayer, you hit the nail on the head there. Gene Smith's effort to schedule teams who are good now will be for naught if they're not good 10 years from now. We have VaTech coming up in 2014-2015. Right now, they're not near as good as they used to be. Will they improve? Same can be said of Oregon (after Chip Kelly leaves) and even Oklahoma (will Bob Stoops be there in the future)? We may be scheduling these schools now but they may stink when we finally get around to playing them.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
Oklahoma has always been a national power. Aside of the John Blake years (1996-98), no Oklahoma coach has finished unranked in back to back seasons since 1965-66. Oregon's pre-Bellotti years were pretty lean, as they last finished a season ranked in 1948. However, an infusion of Nike money combined with a flashy offense and increased positive exposure on ESPN likely indicates a future with a seat at the college football power table.
The overall point here is an important one, though. The really smart people at ESPiN spent the past season mocking our non-conference strength of schedule. Ohio St was supposed to play Cincinnati (a team that went on to a 9-3 record in a pseudo-BCS conference) in the 2nd game this season. When the California game was scheduled, they were a program on the rise with an exciting offense starring Aaron Rogers, Marshawn Lynch, and DeSean Jackson, a hot new coach named Jeff Tedford, and unlimited northern California talent to recruit. (Stanford was in the midst of 7 straight losing seasons from 2002-08) That Cal series was hailed on par with the games against Texas, USC, and Miami.
Fast forward to today and Cincinnati postponed the 2012 game to 2018. That game would be replaced with UCF, a team which just lost the Conference USA championship by 6 points. That would go on to be our toughest non-conference opponent, but carried little name recognition. California's star players are in the NFL, Stanford has become a formidable recruiting foe, and the hot coach with the exciting offense is neither hot or exciting...nor employed as their coach.
In scheduling, it is important to look at both tradition and recent trajectory. We keep talking about the recent additions of Texas, TCU, and Oregon to strengthen future schedules. Texas is in the midst of their worst 3-year run in over a decade, but history tells us they will not tolerate 3-5 loss seasons for long. Oregon will likely be fine for the reasons outlined above, though they may or may not be the national power they are today. Seasons headlined by TCU had better be buffered by other power programs, because history tells us TCU will likely not be a national power program by the 2018-19 season. That 2018 schedule includes games against Cincinnati, @TCU, and North Carolina in successive weeks. As a home game against TCU is the only game on the 2019 docket, that would be a good candidate for a neutral site game against Florida St, Georgia, or LSU (again, provided it is a true neutral site game, not that game against Alabama in Dallas that Michigan fell for).
Compared to the powerhouses these teams played:
Florida - Bowling Green, Lousiana-Lafayette (almost lost), Jacksonville State, and Florida State (rivalry)
Alabama - scUM (yeah, yeah), Western Kentucky, Florida Atlantic, and Western Carolina
Georgia - Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, Georgia Southern, and Georgia Tech (rivalry I assume)
LSU - North Texas, Washington (probably slightly better than Cal), Idaho, and Towson
Mississippi State - Jackson State, Troy, South Alabama, and Middle Tennessee
Texas A&M - SMU, South Carolina State, Louisiana Tech (a decent team), and Sam Houston State
Almost forgot:
South Carolina - East Carolina, UAB, Wofford, and Clemson (a good team)
Florida: Actually, that's a better schedule than the Bucks played. Don't forget: The Bucks almost lost to UAB and Cal. I wouldn't be talking about other teams pulling wins out their asses just yet.
Alabama: What a joke of a schedule. Yeah, they curbstomped Michigan. SO WHAT?
Georgia: Even bigger joke. Their marquee matchup was their annual rivalry with 6-7 Georgia Tech.
LSU: Washington is good, but plays a ridiculously tough schedule hence the 7-5 record, but beat Stanford which counts for something, right? Rest of LSU's schedule is a joke.
Mississippi State: Clearly the worst of them all.
South Carolina: They beat Clemson, a top 10 team IMO, so they get a free pass. East Carolina isn't too shabby either.
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I wasn't implying that the Buckeyes' schedule was great, but I thought it was interesting to see the non-conference schedules of the mighty SEC.
That is exactly the point! That is how the SEC artificially inflates their strength of schedule. I believe the entire conference (all 14 teams) played 5 non-conference road games against BCS teams. But ESPiN won't bring that up. They only mention the SEC's impressive non-conference record and then rank .hem in the top-10.
Half of those belong to Vanderbilt.
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I honestly believe the SEC made Vandy cancel their game against OSU next year. Why would Vandy mind coming to the 'shoe, losing, and cashing a check? It wouldn't mess anything up for them, but it may have been a tiebreaker for a trip to the National Championship game next year, if we could say, we beat an SEC team, and they beat some other SEC team, so we proved that we could play with the SEC despite our weak schedule. Just a thought, but it really pissed me off when Vandy cancelled that game. It also would have been a nice primer to get the SEC monkey off our back (even though TP an co. did that against Arkansas, but as far as I can tell from watching ESPN and reading articles about the Big Ten sucking, that game didn't take place. I think the Tattoo parlor that got those guys in trouble should offer free Sugar Bowl runner-up tats to the Arkansas team).
We beat Vandy the ESPN idiots and the SEC would just say "You beat our doormat" and downplay it anyway. I personally wasnt impressed we even scheduled Vandy. They only play well at home and they're going to be terrible next year. I was much more disappointed in the Tennessee and Georgia series getting bumped.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
Yes, ESPN would have said that, but that "doormat" was 5-3 in the vaunted SEC this year.
BrooklynBuckeye makes a good point. Could the SEC have encouraged all three teams to drop those games? They see Urban come to Ohio State and see the potential this team now has. They don't lose anything by cancelling the games, maybe a paycheck at most. However the money lost could easily be offset if they get selected to a championship game over OSU because of perceived strength of the SEC compared to the B1G. Its more difficult for other big conferences to "catch" the SEC if they don't play them. This also allows the SEC to hide mediocrity within their conference. This is a very interesting thought that I hadn't considered.
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I can tell you OSU cancelled the Georgia series because of the now dead Big Ten/Pac-12 challenge