PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Rumor, just shared by Beau Bishop and Tim May on 97.1 The Fan (Columbus).
What's that song by Buddy Holly?
"That'll be the Day"
No way could I see this happening. Just too different a school from the B1G. Big XII I could see as a possible destination for FSU and maybe Clemson. I can't imagine this has legs for very long.
Strong football program, and I assume it's a fine academic institution, but they're not an AAU member. I believe the only non AAU member the B1G will accept is Notre Dame.
I know they say they wouldn't have accepted Nebraska if they knew Nebraska wasn't going to be in the AAU anymore but there were rumors Nebraska was headed that way before the B1G accepted them. Fact is we have 1 non AAU school in conference, their willing to accept another, if the expansion deal is all about expanding the BTN's footprint into larger markets, and going into areas of growth etc, I think this AAU requirement is going to go out the door. If you are willing to accept one because they will make the conference money, if another team proves it can add as much or more value, that school will be added too.
Perhaps. It does seem like Nebraska kinda got the shaft on things with getting booted anyway. Something about the AAU not factoring that they receive a large amount of money from USDA funded research projects into their metrics. Also the whole thing with them not having a medical school. I mean they have one but it's within their university system and not part of their main campus.
The rumor I heard was FSU to the Big Twelve, not to the B1G.
Well who wouldn't get that confused with the whole naming/counting thing...
"The revolution will be televised."
Yeah, at the link below.
The B1G won't take Florida State anyway. The powers that be are deadly serious about AAU membership and Florida State isn't a member. Its already been said they would not have allowed Nebraska in if they'd known it was going to lose its AAU membership.
FSU and Miami are both applying for AAU status FWIW...
I could see Miami in the B1G before I could see FSU joining.
Miami is definitely the most "northernized" school in the state and is a highly ranked research school even though they don't have AAU status yet (they're applying).
But if the B1G offers the Noles, they would jump at the opportunity.
I wouldn't be that surprised. The B1G's last two moves added nothing in terms of football relevance. Delaney knows the need for some quality football is dire. If FSU and a school like Clemson want in I think the B1G will have to really think about it. There isn't many other options our their for schools relevant in football and lets be honest the conference could use as many of them as possible.
Florida State is trying to get AAU status. They had the former president of the AAU evaluate them in 2006 to advise them on what they needed to do in order to gain membership. They will likely gain AAU status, so that will not be a factor.
Personally, I think they are a better fit for the Big 12, but I would love to see them in the B1G.
Conference expansion to me isnt about AAU status or grades. It's all about the dollar sign. If FSU and possibly Clemson want in, Delany better jump at the chance. Add 2 big name teams and expand our recruiting base down south, I'm all for it!
The Big 12 FSU rumor was Fresno State
Odd. I'd been hearing FURMAN State for quite some time now.
"I like to kick Michigan's ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum."
Interesting. I thought it was Ferris State.
Great hockey school.
FSU would be a huge grab, I'm all for it.
This seems more likely to me if the Big Ten is headed toward 18-20 schools.
Then they might be able to achieve some semblance of geographical continuity, by linking FSU with three lower Atlantic schools (UVA, VT, GT, and/or UNC). I know that financial and academic considerations are above geography, but it's still a factor. The Big Ten is not the Big East (with SD State?!?).
Also, any chance that the rumor got jumbled up in translation? FSU leaving the ACC would further weaken that conference, possibly improving the Big Ten's strategic position. FSU to the Big 12 --> ND to the Big Ten, or something like that?
I think 20 teams is the end game. Where I once thought getting UNC, UVA, Ga Tech, and Kansas would be the next wave to lure Notre Dame and Texas, I think FSU is more likely, and probably adds more value anyway. Ga Tech and FSU to the B1G for teams 15 and 16. That weakens the ACC more, and makes UNC, NCState, UVA, and Va Tech available for the B1G and SEC. Take 2 of those teams and get to 18. You have now added New York, DC, Baltimore, Charlotte, Atlanta, Richmond, and the state of Florida to the BTN footprint.
Notre Dame's ACC deal is worthless and Texas's failed network isn't helping them any so they see the value in jumping to the B1G. You have 2 giants who aren't desperate, but would definitely be vulnerable and could be looking for a new home and some serious coin that comes along with it.
I can see a 20 team B1G with FSU, Notre Dame, and Texas being the last 3 in.
Not last 3 in, that all 3 would be in.
Before you mentioned it last week, the pie being divided 18-20 ways seemed implausible to me. But I see it working with NYC/NJ + Balt/DC/Philly + Florida + Atlanta + Texas + NC/VA. In addition to market area expansion, the quantity and quality of live game products on Big Ten Network would be greatly multiplied.
The conference could be divided into four 5-team pods/divisions, which would make in-conference scheduling more orderly & predictable, reduce travel costs, allow for greater emphasis on regional play in the revenue-negative sports.
I am unsure about the conference championship game. Some have suggested that, rather than trying to pull off a four team tournament (semifinals + finals), the two highest rated teams from the four pods would advance. But can you imagine all the controversies? The 4-team national playoff will be selected by committee, not a ranking system, so it's not like using rankings to select 2 of 4 pod winners would "plug into" the national playoff.
Yeah, I said 5 team divisions, which essentially to me is the same as pods, but I don't see how you could do anything but a 4 team playoff to determine the championship. Honestly, using a pod system like that, if we could get 4 superconferences, you could have a POD system as a kind of playoff. 4 superconferences use a final four to determine their champs, and the champs of those 4 conferences go on to play for a title in a National Final Four.
It would essentially be a 16 team playoff. There would still be controversy. The regular season retains importance in conference play. You schedule good games non conference so you can get a better seeding in the final four. The regular season matters, only conference champs get in, and everyone is kind of happy lol.
It'll never work out that way, and I'm not sure you could come up with 4 conferences of 20 teams, but it could also work with 4 conferences of 16 teams. Basically those 4 conferences are your major division teams. Then MAC, sunbelt, and other conferences can have a divsion that is better than the old 1-A, but not elite like the guys on top, and the old 1-A can still have it's playoff too.
Complete reorganization of the college football landscape, but it would work out. Big Schools like the Buckeyes would still play at least 1 game against a lesser divsion foe.
If you go with the 4 5-team divisions, you would obviously play everyone in your division (4 games) + you COULD play all 5 from another division (rotating each year). That would eliminate the need for the "semifinal" game. Not saying I like or dislike any of these ideas... just going along with the scenario.
Bold: Currently not in the BIG
Italic: Currently not an AAU member
If we added Notre Dame, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech, there is no other conference even close to ours in academics. I think we should take a chance on getting FSU and Clemson and ask them to try and work towards getting in the AAU. I think FSU is already in the application process. If we added the 5 ACC schools above, we would have control over the entire Atlantic Coastline with the SEC (huge recruiting upside and HUGE $$$$) It would stretch from New Jersey to Florida and would look great on the map! Talk about pissing the SEC off!!
For the record, I believe Nebraska has AAU status
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
They were booted from the AAU shortly after accepting the B1G's invitation.
Member Institutions and Years of Admission
Boston University (2012)
Brandeis University (1985)
Brown University (1933)
California Institute of Technology (1934)
Carnegie Mellon University (1982)
Case Western Reserve University (1969)
Columbia University (1900)
Cornell University (1900)
Duke University (1938)
Emory University (1995)
Georgia Institute of Technology (2010)
Harvard University (1900)
Indiana University (1909)
Iowa State University (1958)
The Johns Hopkins University (1900)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934)
McGill University (1926)
Michigan State University (1964)
New York University (1950)
Northwestern University (1917)
The Ohio State University (1916)
The Pennsylvania State University (1958)
Princeton University (1900)
Purdue University (1958)
Rice University (1985)
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey (1989)
Stanford University (1900)
Stony Brook University-State University of New York (2001)
Texas A&M University (2001)
Tulane University (1958)
The University of Arizona (1985)
University at Buffalo, The State University of New York (1989)
University of California, Berkeley (1900)
University of California, Davis (1996)
University of California, Irvine (1996)
University of California, Los Angeles (1974)
University of California, San Diego (1982)
University of California, Santa Barbara (1995)
The University of Chicago (1900)
University of Colorado Boulder (1966)
University of Florida (1985)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908)
The University of Iowa (1909)
The University of Kansas (1909)
University of Maryland, College Park (1969)
University of Michigan (1900)
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908)
University of Missouri-Columbia (1908)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922)
University of Oregon (1969)
University of Pennsylvania (1900)
University of Pittsburgh (1974)
University of Rochester (1941)
University of Southern California (1969)
The University of Texas at Austin (1929)
University of Toronto (1926)
University of Virginia (1904)
University of Washington (1950)
The University of Wisconsin-Madison (1900)
Vanderbilt University (1950)
Washington University in St. Louis (1923)
Yale University (1900)
I'm still convinced Georgia Tech is a legit target of the B1G just because they want that Atlanta TV market. All the others seem more far fetched than normal. Of course anything is possible in the realignment chaos.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
I just dont like the BIG 20 idea. How would schedules work? You would never play teams from the other divison or would would have to get rid of out of conference games.
Agreed with schedules being a problem. When the Big 10 (11) didn’t have divisions, they still only played 8 inter-league games correct? Could you do something where you play 6 games within your division, 3 cross division, and 3 out of conference (just rotate who the 6 in your division are and 3 cross division are)…I know people don’t like that because they want everyone to play everyone in their respected division to determine who the true divisional champ is, but when we had 11 teams and no divisions the BIG 10 (11) teams only played 8 conference games a year and could still crown a champ (meaning each team didn’t play two conference opponents a year). I was one of those who wanted to stay at 12, but we are now at 14. If we are really concerned about adding $$$$$, recruiting, and good schools, I say go big or go back to 12.
Think smaller pods, rather than big divisions.
Four pods, each of five teams.
Each year you play the other teams in your pod (4 games) plus the schools in one other pod (5 games) for a total of 9 conference games.
The two teams with the best conference records, regardless of pod, proceed to the championship game.
The other pod you play rotates, so you play the schools in the other pods every third year.
Your primary rival(s) has to be in the same pod to ensure you play them every season.
I think the WAC tried the pods when they were a 16 team conference. Led to all sorts of trouble scheduling and naming a true conference champion.
I hope we don't go there.
EDIT: The WAC Called their system quadrants mid 90s. Four quadrants of four teams.
Just because it didn't work somewhere else doesn't mean it can't be put into place in the B1G and worked out correctly. I still say make it a playoff. Have the best team play the 4th best team at home, and the 2nd best team gets a home game against the 3rd. If record can't determine it, then use tie breaks like head to head, common opponent etc. The 2 winners go to the B1G title game in Indy(or wherever it'll be then).
FSU to the B1G? Yeah, no.
I'd like this move but I never see it happening. I understand the logic behind adding Maryland and Rutgers on gaining TV sets, but dear lord, adding a low-ranked ACC team and team from the Big East? Are we trying to move into COMPLETE football irrelevance? I also get the academic standards, but even as someone who works in academia, I still want the B1G to retain its football prominence.
At least with the FSU move we'd be adding a FOOTBALL school. I'm starting to feel like the B1G is content with merely becoming a basketball and academic conference.
I will patiently wait for the courts to sort out the Maryland exit fee. If it gets negotiated down, I will grab my popcorn and watch the feeding frenzy take place.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
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If FSU is added, it will help mitigate one problem I'm not sure any of us have really considered up to now:
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