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Expansion = 4 20-Team Super-Conferences and Pods

ACC

Florida State
South Florida
Miami (FL)
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest  

Clemson  
North Carolina State
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia Tech  

West Virginia
Louisville
Temple
Cincinnati
Syracuse

Notre Dame
Navy
Army
Boston College
Connecticut


B1G

Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Virginia

Ohio State
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois
Northwestern

Michigan
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota

Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
Iowa State


PAC

Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Hawaii

Stanford
California
UCLA
USC
Nevada

Arizona
Arizona State
New Mexico
BYU
Utah

Air Force
Colorado
Colorado State
Boise State
Wyoming


SEC

Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee 

Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi
Mississippi State

Arkansas
LSU
Missouri
Kansas State
Oklahoma State

Texas A&M
Baylor
Texas Tech
Texas Christian
Houston

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ATXbucknut on 14 Dec 2012 - 1:26am #

Ha, I like it!  I too think the B1G will eventually go to 20 teams. 

But Texas ain't going nowhere and neither is the Big 12, at least for a while.  If Texas stays put, there is no way the Big 12 dissolves. And Pitt to the B1G is a biiiiig stretch, too.

I'm not hatin' on this by any means. Me thinks something like this could happen, but definitely not in the next 5 years. But it is good logic and good creativity!

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btalbert25 on 14 Dec 2012 - 12:01pm #

Big 12 as we know it will disolve eventually, so will the ACC.  SEC, PAC, and B1G will be too attractive for schools to turn down.  I see those 3 as 20 team super conferences with in 5 years.

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Oyster on 14 Dec 2012 - 12:04pm #

And with that will also be the demise of the NCAA.  Should there be the super conferences, they will tell the NCAA to take a hike. 

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ATXbucknut on 14 Dec 2012 - 12:41pm #

You could be right about the eventually part, but as long as the grant-of-rights contract in the Big 12 remains in effect (13 more years!), no one is leaving that conference. The only way membership changes is if leadership in both conferences agree to some sort of mega-deal. In such a scenario, I think other conferences would probably have to be involved, since the Big 12 wouldn't let Texas (or Kansas) go without getting another blockbuster team(s) in return.  

None of this probably happens unless there is a coordinated and deliberate decision by all BCS conference leaders to form 3 or 4 mega-conferences and dissolve 2-3 current BCS conferences. The mega-conference idea is not going to come to fruition in a ticky-tac manner. It will take agreement from the current BCS conference leaders.

Except for the ACC, which could dissolve before the mega-conferences are created.

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gwbuckeye on 14 Dec 2012 - 2:31am #

No way would TSUN, MSU, and Wiskey all be in the same pod...I like everything else you have and would just switch TSUN with Illinois or NW

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kareemabduljacobb on 14 Dec 2012 - 2:38am #

I could see Fresno St instead of Wyoming in your scenario. 

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cplunk on 14 Dec 2012 - 7:11am #

I like it, but reality-wise the B1G never takes Pitt or Iowa State. Because of the way the BTN contract is written, addin a team in a state where the B1G already has a team is financially useless. In fact, it's almost a net negative because those schools add no major network cash but do get a share of the distribution pie.

I like what you did here, though.

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Buckeyeneer on 14 Dec 2012 - 7:18am #

According to Scout's pay site who interviewed an undisclosed B1G insider in Chicago, they said that the most likely teams for B1G expansion based on what the presidents want is

Kansas

Missouri

Virginia

North Carolina

Georgia Tech

ND or Texas

As the presidents are the ones voting, these are the most likely candidates to enter the B1G

The source also noted the schools that have no shot:

Tennessee

Kentucky

Pitt

Cincinnati

Louisville

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Virginia Tech

NC State

UConn

Syracuse

Boston College

(I think I understand 11W policy on mentioning pay site stuff. No copying stuff but we can note the things we read. If I am wrong on that, please delete and my apologies.) http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=145&f=1079&t=10985333&p=7

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
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Born and Bred on 14 Dec 2012 - 1:25pm #

What is that in order of desire or just a list??

Buckeye till I'm dead

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Buckeyeneer on 16 Dec 2012 - 10:58am #

Just a list. But things are fluid. They want Kansas because they are the #3 money making school in the Big 12 due to the strength of the Kansas bball brand. Even though football drives the bus, basketball, by sheer number of games per season adds a lot of value to the BTN. Another comment from the insider was that if Delaney knew how crazy the football world would get due to him saying that the B1G was looking to expand he would have taken Missouri and Kansas at the same time as Nebraska.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

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GoldenBearBuckeye on 14 Dec 2012 - 2:58pm #

Please no Kansas

Please no Missouri

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NGBuck21 on 14 Dec 2012 - 11:06am #

Shierbuck posted something on the comments section here:

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/football/2012/12/i-like-to-dream-so-...

He has the pods included and a playoff setup as well. Pretty interesting to ponder over.

(Towards bottom of comments)

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Schierbuck on 14 Dec 2012 - 11:34am #

I don’t think that the ACC survives if they get to 4 mega conferences.  They have too many desirable teams that are not getting paid enough and that geographically make sense for the B1G and SEC.  I think that Texas will stay with the Big 12.

As a side note I don’t like taking either Texas or ND.  I know they are popular and I do think we take them.  To me they are like that five star recruit that is caught with drugs and whose dad holds press conference’s about his son’s future.  Their film is very exciting but you know that their ego will ruin your team (conference).  Texas is why Nebraska left the Big 12.

For those Friday Night Lights fans out there: If the B1G is the Panthers then Texas is Ray “Voodoo” Tatum.  He’s not from your region and he is gonna take some incentives and concessions to come play.  However, in the end, he’s gonna get his team be d@#%*d.  Notre Dame is JD McCoy.  Yes he’s legitimately local.  However, helicopter dad (alums) will try to take over the team.  As for the kid; he thinks he is awesome but when he tries to steal your girl he fails.  Yes we Ohio State fans can be arrogant but at the core we are team players.  We are Smash, you may hate us but it’s only because we are awesome and the ladies love us.  You are better because we are on your team.

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btalbert25 on 14 Dec 2012 - 12:07pm #

Texas is the Big 12 was the lifeblood of that conference though.  Nebraska was a great name, but Texas is what keeps that conference going. If they join the B1G, they won't be able to push anyone around and want things there way.  Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State are too big of names and too valuable to let them get away with it.  You have 3 programs that are virtually equal to Texas in terms of value.  There was no one even close to Texas in the Big 12.  Essentially, they were the heavy weight and if they threw a punch no one could counter.  B1G they try that shit they could get knocked on their asses.

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rdubs on 14 Dec 2012 - 12:51pm #

Nebraska left because the compensation structure is tilted toward Texas, not because they are arrogant jerks that no one likes (although that might be part of why they refuse to share revenue).  I think the culture at the top of the B1G would assimilate ND and Texas just fine, you can't control the fans (just ask PSU).

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Schierbuck on 14 Dec 2012 - 2:56pm #

The compesation structure is what I meant about ND and Texas.  The mindset of ND and Texas is that they deserve all the $.  I actually don't know any Texas or ND fans so I can't speak to their arrogance.  It just seems to me the arrogance of the institutions is a problem.  I don't want either if it means that we have to give any special deals, which I think both institutions will want.

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rdubs on 14 Dec 2012 - 3:00pm #

Well they wouldn't get to set the bar in the B1G.  And ND has made less money off of their football team than Indiana or Purdue over the last 5-10 years, so the can keep all of the money from that NBC contract, but it isn't paying too well.

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ATXbucknut on 14 Dec 2012 - 3:12pm #

ND is arrogant, not so much Texas. Texas would never turn down a bowl bid and say, "We do not play in second-tier bowl games" like ND did with the Sun Bowl in 1993 (or was it '94) and kind of again in 2009 with the Hawaii Bowl.

Texas isn't obnoxious and arrogant like ND. Texas just wants to be in whatever situation benefits the institution the most financially.

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db31103 on 14 Dec 2012 - 1:16pm #

Huge oversight leaving Memphis out yet include Houston, Army, Navy and Air Force. 

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." - Woody Hayes

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GoldenBearBuckeye on 14 Dec 2012 - 2:59pm #

Wonder who would win NDame's pod???

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chicagobuckeye on 16 Dec 2012 - 11:36am #

I don't know if you would be able to do it at least in your sturucture because of the competitive imbalence in some. Look at OSU and ND then look at the Michigan.  Of course this is all as of this season, and you do seem to have a big name school in each one, but as of right now Michigan would never want to be there.

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741 on 16 Dec 2012 - 12:01pm #

Get 'er done!

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