Just saw this tweet...
Gray boxes to follow?
The dominoes are beginning to fall....
— Mark Pantoni (@markpantoni) December 4, 2012
PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
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I assumed he was referring to the coaching changes (Bielema to Arkansas), but who knows.
...or he really is playing dominoes!
Go Gray Boxes!
Maybe it's referring to Urbz destroying current B1G teams 1 coach at a time?
“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren
Yeah, think he was referring to coaches.
I'd say maybe even dominoes in Wisconsin's recruiting class, but let's be honest, they don't have anyone to poach this year haha. Their recruiting class is TURRRIBLE.
I don't know that I would call it terrible...its generally considered a top 25-30 class at this point.
2 4-stars and a handful of 3-stars. 23rd ranked recruiting class in the country for the B1G Champion (and a team that's gone to 3 consecutive Rose Bowls) is terrible.
Where are the rest of the teams in the B1G? Look at previous classes...no one said it was elite, but it most certainly is not terrible either. Wisconsin rarely attracts elite prospects...like many schools they recruit their niche and coach them up. So yes, a top 25 class made up of mostly high 3 star players is good.
You are spot on, Cincy. I was about to post this same idea before I read your comment. Wisky never has amazinf recruiting classes, but does very well with their 2 and 3 star prospects. Especially on the o-line (obviously).
There's no excuse for a team that consistently finishes in the top 10 in the country and has attended 3 straight Rose Bowls to be ranked 23rd in recruiting. Last year their recruiting class was ranked 56th in the country. The year before that they were ranked 40th.
When you have a worse recruiting class than a 4-8 Virginia team, you're not doing your job on the recruiting front. Wisconsin has as much history as almost anyone in the B1G outside of the Big 3 (OSU, Mich, PSU), and has had as much recent success. Last year Rutgers, Virginia, Purdue, Colorado, Louisville, USF, and Duke were among 50+ teams who had better recruiting classes than Wisconsin. Can you really argue that Purdue has a recruiting advantage over Wisconsin? These recruiting classes are terrible. That's what's marginalizing the B1G, not speed.
I think you are concerning yourself too much on the recruiting rankings, rather than the actual fruition that comes from a recruiting class. Wisconsin rarely, if ever, gets any high profile recruits. Yet, they continue to win and win big going after a certain type of athlete. Virginia lives in more of a "recruiting hotbed," where kids are ranked higher than maybe they should be, and it skews the rankings.
Look at the production on the field, not the recruiting rankings.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
So, the team that has won 3 strait B1G titles with consistantly low recruiting classes, IS NOT GETTING IT DONE? Are they not getting it doen recruiting or are the recruiting rankings not getting it doen with how the evaluate talent?
Let's be clear about those 3-straight B1G titles. 2010 was shared with MSU & OSU (prior to vacating) and 2012 should have an astrics, as they were 3rd in the division, but got to play in Championship due to OSU and PSU violations. So to say they are 'getting it done' might be an overstatement.
You're missing the point...and you kind mentioned it. Wisconsin IS consistently a top 10 team and has been to 5 Rose Bowls and won 5 B10 titles in the BCS era...all with your so called marginal recruiting classes. Wisconsin has always recruited their system as opposed to chasing elite players who are hard to lure to Madison. Who cares what their class ranking is as long as they produce?
Edit - we all said the same thing in a 5 minute span. lol
That is a fact about recruiting to their system. They also grow em big up there. I hear it's the cheese?
They don't produce, they're 2-4 in bowl games under Bielema. They beat up on weak B1G teams, make it to elite games, and then lay an egg against non-conference opponents. The same way 90% of underachieving B1G teams do. This is the reason why the B1G gets **** on nationally.
I'm ecstatic that there are teams like Ohio State and Michigan who aren't content to win B1G championships and lose in BCS games against teams like TCU. The way you get better is not only by paying good coaches, but by recruiting great players.
So by your logic the same thing applies to us then? We beat up on the same weak Big Ten, and Tressell went 2-3 in bowl games during the same time frame. By your logic OSU is a BIG part of the problem, esp seeing as we constantly have top 10 recruiting classes.
No, I feel Tressel made an effort. He did have an impact on our national perception (and why no one in SEC country takes Ohio State seriously, though I'm not worried about that). If you're landing a top 10 recruiting class, you're trying. You're out there recruiting. If you're coming off of a Rose Bowl and you can only manage the 56th ranked recruiting class in the country, something's wrong there. That's all I'm saying, I'm not sure what about that is disagreeable.
I'm not arguing against your point that Bielema took average players and made them good to even great (the same way Tressel often did). Nor am I saying Bielema isn't a very good coach. I just don't feel he's a great recruiter, and to me that matters. It's not by accident that the SEC has won the last 7 championships and habitually has 5-6 teams in the top 10 in recruiting every year.
To be fair, they didn't lay eggs in big games. They lost, but they didn't embarass the conference or anything. TCU was a very good team two years ago, and last year it was just a pure mismatch between Oregon's O and Wisky's D, and vice versa.
I think what a few of us are trying to say here is that Wisconsin does recruit some pretty good players. They just aren't considered "high-profile" by the recruiting rankings. You saying John Clay, Montee Ball, James White, Jared Abbredaris, Chris Borland, JJ Watt, Mike Taylor, Lance Kendricks, Nick Toon (... I could keep going, but I think you get the idea) aren't/weren't great college players?
Wisconsin has a system of picking up guys they believe can develop into terrific college athletes. I'd say they are doing pretty well in that regard.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Abbrederis was a walk on. And JJ watt transferred to wisconsin from central michigan. But the rest are pretty solid players recruited by bielema.
top 10 is very generous I would say top 25
The Domino Theory was originally used by Dwight D. Eisenhower, predicting that 70 years in the future, the entire college football landscape would be under Urban Meyer's control, also known as "The Urban Curtain." The first domino has fallen... no one is safe.
"Urban Curtain"! Classic!
Maybe he was watching this?
I have to be honest, I really wish he'd clarify, should I prepare for grey boxes or should I prepare for more meat-headed head coaches leaving the B1G because they are scared of the "Urban Curtain" (thanks Brooklynbuckeye!)?
unfortuneatly he isn't allowed to clarify if it has anything to do with recruits :(
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Triv you're right, that's my bad....I'll hope for both then.
Dominos:
1) Bret leaves for Ark
2) Chryst takes head coaching job at Wisc
3) Johnson decommits and comes to OSU
Meyer's secret plan
Interesting hypothesis!
Its an interesting day when a coach leaves the B1G to go to the SEC to get away from Urban!
I like those dominos...
"The revolution will be televised."
haha yessss this will just happen to work itself out. I hope this is just a trend with all western penn blue chips include Dorian Johnson
"The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes
I hope they like ACC QBs in Arkansas.
This is an obvious reference to Michigan AD/former Dominos CEO David Brandon and the perpetual downfall of all things scUM athletics versus Ohio State after Urban beat down Brady
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
This, I like this!
I think Pantoni is speaking to a larger plan to help force B1G schools into the modern era. In order to be successful, Ohio State needs the B1G to be successful. Urban & Co. are going to force the B1G to improve its overall performance.
1. B1G schools must follow Ohio State's lead and invest in their coaching staffs. This means not just paying the HC fair market value, but the assistants as well.
2. Meyer is forcing B1G coaches to step their game up when it comes to recruiting. They will have to follow his lead to recruit nationally to a greater degree and, generally, to be a bit more creative in attracting national talent to the midwest.
3. With the expected windfall from B1G expansion and the resultant increase in TV revenue from 2017 forward, schools will ostensibly realize that they must invest that money in facility upgrades and, as noted above, fair market value salaries for coaches.
I think Urban & Co. have a long-term plan mapped out for the B1G. They know that a healthy B1G is good for Ohio State. Thoughts?