Drew Sharp still can't get over his Wolver-weenies losing another game to the much better Buckeyes.
http://www.freep.com/comments/article/20121201/COL08/312010093/Drew-Shar...
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From the city that could be dissolved
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/11/28/state-senator-proposes-dissolving-city-of-detroit/
Sounds like they need OCP to lend a helping hand.
ARGH! Really? REALLY? I never will consider Tressel a "cheater." He did not cheat. He covered up - and as history has shown, and as it will continue for all eternity; "the cover up is almost always worse than the crime."
For God's sake- the cover up is the cover up. Now, players played that most likely would have, I guess, been suspended by either OSU or the NCAA-Mafia if Tress would have reported it asap. However, I just don't see this as cheating. The word "cheating..." I mean, I don't think I've used that word since third grade.
The Ohio State players that played that year lined up across from whoever they were playing, and they played the game. Most Buckeye opponents LOST the personal battle and so did their team. So, getting your ass kicked by another player is cheating? The same thing probably would have happened by the Buckeye players taking over for those that were found guilty of trading goods and services for things they OWN. Give. It. Up. Haters.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Groucho Marx
He knowingly played ineligible players. That's cheating.
Curious what you think. The NCAA-Mafia allowed OSU players under months of investigation, to play in a bowl game. They made a lot of money by allowing those star players to play- they even used them for their advertising. Was the NCAA-Mafia cheating by making money off of these players and ticket buyers, advertisers, etc, by allowing them to play in the bowl game?
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Groucho Marx
screw 8 mile!!!
Scoreboard, that is all!
Since I live behind enemy lines. In all fairness to Drew Sharp he equally despies the entire B1G
he evens hates Weaselville more & he graduated from there. he did say Ohio state was the B1G's only hope of winning a championship. though the rest of the article like so many of his colums leaves little to be desired.
defending Ohio from behind enemy lines since 1977
from a program that hired Richrod
from a school that lost 2 $eason$ because of the fab five
tatoos had no effect on the outcome
please stop the incessant whining
be glad there is one Nationally relevant football program in the BIG MAC
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
"Richrod."
What "Richrod" proves, is that the Detroit Free Press sportswriters wouldn't know an NCAA violation from a wet fart.
My Buckeye friends can say whatever they want to about Drew Sharp; he doesn't work for us, he quite apparently doesn't much like Michigan football, and Michigan football doesn't llike him. He is the most hated sportswriter, and probably the most hated newspaper employee, in the state of Michigan.
Before getting canned from his sportstalk radio gig, Sharp's bio page didn't say anything about his professional experience or his family or any of the things that normally go into a public bio. It simply said this:
(Link no longer available.)
Interesting- thanks for sharing. I think it's really sad (about Drew).
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Groucho Marx
Just goes to show you that he has always been emotionally unstable and pouts when he doesn't get his way. Sure, we all get sad/angry after a loss, especially an upset. But I could picture him at age 15 and having to go to the basement for cool off time. Maybe the type of kid who takes a hammer to his Nintendo after losing a game....
Beware the sound of one hand clapping.....
What a stupid reason to choose to go to a school. If you make academic choices based upon football performance, you need to reevaluate your priorities in life. OSU OWNS MICHIGAN
Scott Long · Top commenter
Apparently you missed the point about OSU honoring their cheating coach.
Patrick OBrien · Top commenter · Lincoln Park High School
Kind of like welcoming back the fab five at uofm?
^LOL. Whoever Patrick O'Brien is, I love him. So true, so true. Michigan fans have to be the most self-righteous group of people in the country.
^ You do realize that Michigan hasn't welcomed back the fab five, right?
http://jalenrose.com/press/members-of-michigans-fab-five-honored-at-cris...
Yes King, Rose, and Jackson were. You know, the guys who were NOT named in the investigation.
Were they not members of the Fab Five? Did you not say "You do realize that Michigan hasn't welcomed back the fab five, right?"
The Fab Five is a named applied to the group of five. That's why "five" is in the name. They welcomed back 3 players from that group who were not implicated in the scandal, so his point doesn't make any sense.
Um, yeah I know there are five in the Fab FIVE. Nice attempt at deflection though
If anyone is deflecting, it's you. The original argument made was that the fab five were welcomed back to Michigan, and therefore, Michigan can't claim any moral high ground. However, they brought back only three members of the fab five - the ones that were not involved in the scandal. So the argument is invalid.
In terms of semantics, if I told you that the one U.S. soldier was sent to China, would you say that the U.S. Army had been deployed to China?
Nope. It's on you. You didn't say they welcomed back the only players not involved. You said the Fab Five. Own it and move on. The semantics comment was really bad BTW
Ok, sure Pam. They welcomed back the Fab Five, even though they didn't welcome back the five of them. Clearly, you have difficulty understanding the difference between a group and the select individuals within that group.
Sorry Pam. thetenyearwar is exactly right, at least about the Fab Five. (I don't share his views about Tressel, whom I personally like.) I try to be a most respectful guest here, but you're wrong.
The Michigan basketball violations involved only Webber from the Fab Five era. There was an infamous character named Ed Martin who was never a Michigan graduate, a Michigan employee, a Michigan donor/supporter or a Michigan staffer. He was a "booster" in the hypertechnical parlance of the NCAA. His day job was a factory worker and a sometimes numbers-operator who got close to star kids in Detroit before they signed letters to play college ball. Webber was one such kid. Others, also involved with Martin, came after Webber. Jalen Rose knew Martin too. But Rose was never formally implicated in the NCAA investigation, which largely piggybacked off a federal court criminal case against Martin. Ed Martin was Michigan's Ed Rife.
Jalen Rose, Juwan Howard, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson were never accused of anything. None of them are banned from Michigan athletics. Chris Webber is, effectively, banned. The Michigan basketball violations had nothing to do with recruiting, or grades, or on-court issues, or the university's treatment of athletes. It was all about one guy using his own illegal cash to curry favor with athletes for his own benefit.
Why do both of you think I need to be educated on what happened at UM? I know exactly what happened and you of all people should know that I am in fact very knowledgeabe about topics I comment on. Please don't insult me like that again.
And I am not wrong. He said the Fab Five was never honored by UM. He did not say Chris Webber wasn't. He had to correct his statement, which makes him wrong.
Pam, I would agree with M Man and tenyearwar. It wasn't the Fab Five that was celebrated and the title of the article you posted proves this by stating Members of Michigan’s Fab Five honored at Crisler Arena. In order to honor the Fab Five, then all of them would have had to be there. Really though, I think we all could agree that we are splitting hairs.
I thought in that 30 for 30 documentary on the Fab 5, Jalen Rose now admits to taking $$ but the despute is about how much. Webber wasn't the only one getting paid and we all know that.
Correct. Jalen Rose did admit to taking money, but that was after the University had him back to Crisler.
Well, he does claim that it was only "pocket money" but he also said Martin gave him money BEFORE he was at the university, but didn’t clarify whether he also received money while playing for the Wolverines. So he hasn't admitted to taking money while at Michigan ..... yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he does someday though.
Correct. King & Jackson only stole beer.
Well, TenYearWar, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim all sorts of inpropriety with Tressel when he was only implicated on one violation when you then turn around and tell us that we can't claim things were fishy in Ann Arbor throughout the 90s with the basketball team because they weren't all officially implicated.
I do think there is a difference between how Michigan honored the members of the Fab Five and how tOSU honored the 2002 national championship team.
The first difference is that the person responsible for Michigan's sanctions was not honored. He wasn't even present. It is a bit of a moot point because Webber is banned from Michigan, so he couldn't be their, but university officials have stated that he will continue to not be welcome once the ban is over unless he apologizes. I don't think Webber will ever apologize, so hopefully the university sticks to its word. Now the person responsible for tOSU's current sanctions was on the field being celebrated. In fact, he became a focal point of the celebration by being hoisted on players shoulders.
The second difference is that the transgressions by Webber that caused the sanctions were 15 years old by the time the other members of the Fab Five were celebrated, and the sanctions have also been over for about 7 years I believe outside of the banning of Webber, Bullock, and Tayler I believe. That is up next year I think. As for the tOSU celebration, Tressels transgressions are less than two years old and the current football team is under sanctions as a result of his actions.
So given the above, I do think there are some differences. Mostly, I belive for most people that are not Buckey fans, it just seemed too soon to be celebrating Tressel while the wounds are still open and emotions are raw. Some more time should have probably passed. I think this is why most people have taken issue with it.
As for me, I didn't really care. When I saw it, I knew there would be a number of people that would take issue with it. Heck, even the people I work with down in SEC country commented. At the end of the day though, who cares, it's football and let the man celebrate with the rest of his team.
Another difference is that our 02 team actually won a championship.
Let's not pretend that the depth of what went on was only as deep as what's been legally proven or admitted to...just watch the ESPN special and how Rose basically jokes about it. He's doing all he can so say it was really bad without actually giving all the thruth away. So saying "only these players have been implicated ..." or there's nothing more to see here. Is so similar to the Cam Newton scandal. Everyone knows there was some big time, big money stuff going down but only so much was proven legally or admitted to so fans of those teams can say this is all that happened or all we've been in trouble/cited for... but the entire rest of the world of sports fans knows it's BS. If you watch the ESPN specials, only SMU's scandal was more blatant in terms of the worse kind cheating in the NCAA, buying players.
D. Anthony
D. Anthony, I agree that there was probably more going on than what was proven, but a large number of fans outside of the Buckeye fan base believe the same can be said about tOSU and Tressel. I don't really care one way or the other, just sharing an outside perspective. For my argument I chose to only dwell on what is proven, it makes it much easier than speculating because if you speculate, where do you stop? Others in the Fab Five, more to Troy Smiths indiscretions, Maurice Claurets accusations, it could be endless.
The actual acts aren't as important as some of the other points. My point mostly was there are differences that made the general public ok seeing Rose, King, and Jackson honored compared to what happened with Tressel at tOSU. Not enough time has gone by to make others indifferent about what happened, while also hoisting Tressel up made him a focal point over what was really meant to be celebrated, the 2002 national championship team. It probably would have gone over better with other's if he had just stood with the team or not been there. I personally think it was ok to have him out there since it was his team.
The Fab Five is BY FAR the biggest, most blatant, illegal scandal at either school. Tattoo's, and selling awards etc is such chump change in comparison. Maybe if Mich routinely beat us in b-ball or football we would cry "cheaters" and whine so much? We will never know, so who are we to say how losers should mourn and console eachother?
D. Anthony
Which is exactly why you would never see players carrying Steve Fisher off the court today or giving a standing ovation to Chris Webber.
...isn't it also why UM should stop crying about cheating and just shut up and play? Do you really feel tOSU cheats and has some sort of unfair advantage?
D. Anthony
Now that Tressel is gone, no. But to honor the guy by bringin him back one year later and giving him a standing ovation was, at best, in poor taste.
Just shut up. Please. Why do you even pretend you are a Buckeye fan?
I don't
Pam...he's a Mich fan who is welcome here, he's not being obnoxious
D. Anthony
Well, I find him obnoxious. Telling us that honoring the coach of the 2002 NCG, the coach that owned UM, was in "poor taste"? That is very definition of obnoxious. Not sure why that kind of commentary is welcomed.
Looks like the TWENTYYEARWAR has ended with 129 downvotes. Your welcome?
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
-154 as of this point. DAMN lol
Is there a point where he can make no more comments? If not that needs to be changed so there is one.
I do blame Tress for lying and he is the one most to blame for the bowl ban etc, but i don't agree that his being coach gave us an unfair advantage. It's not the reason he dominated Mich. a simple stupid and costly lie doomed him and our seasons end but for UM fans to say we cheated to beat Mich or anyone is lame.
D. Anthony
I'm not going to rehash the circumstantial evidence, but in my opinion there was more than enough there to conclude that Tressel was making a sham of NCAA rules during his time at OSU.
As stated by a fan of a school under NCAA probation for excessive practices.
buckeyeinla
I have no problem with them honoring the 2002 team. What Tressel did 8 years later has no bearing on 2002. I stood up an cheered for the entire team. I think its funny how talking heads and some rival fans will try to paint the 2000's as a decade of OSU corruption, the likes of which the world has never seen, but it mostly reeks of envy. Tressel met an ugly end, and for breaking the agreed upon rules, rightly so, but that does not diminish what he accomplished in 2002. Geez . . . . people act like we were honoring the Tat-5.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
No, you were honoring their henchman.
Fab-5 and now Tat-5 ........ Coincidence? Since when did the number 5 become an unlucky number? Are we going to find out the US Women's Gymnastic Team was on steroids and that is how they won Olympic gold since they are the Fiersome-5? If so, then I think I'm on to something.
I don't. I don't feel like Ohio State has cheated its way into an unfair advantage. I've never said that, and I'd never say that.
And can I say just a couple of other things about Drew Sharp? He hates almost everything about college football. He drones on and on about how the SEC is so clearly superior, because they cheat. Sharp has no respect, no regard, for traditional collegiate athletics. He thinks it is all a complete sham. That players are getting abused and ripped off, unless they are wildly talented fake students and SEC players who can cheat their way into the NFL. Where they can get rich, playing a horrible game. He is the one of the most nihilisitic, cynical bastards in all of sportswriting today.
Please do recall that the last time that Drew Sharp got himself any national attention was when he was caught using fake "racist" quotes in a column about Rush Limbaugh to oppose his possible ownership interest in a sale of the St. Louis Rams.
Why would they? The Fab Five didn't win a NCG. Tressel did
None of the players on the 2002 National Championship were never found guilty of doing anything wrong. JT wasn't found guilty of doing anything wrong during the 2002 season. The fans and players were celebrating the championship that it won during that season. I don't understand what is wrong with that. As far as what JT did although I don't agree with what he did I can understand why he did it. He was trying to protect his players from being named in a federal investigation into a cocaine ring. He knew how damaging that could be to their potential NFL draft status. He did what a lot of coaches do, he was protecting his players. Was it wrong? Yes, but I wouldn't consider it cheating. Paying players or potential players is cheating. Academic fraud is cheating. Those are ways to cheat in order to get a distinct unfair advantage . Players trading what they understood to be their own property for tattoos is hardly an unfair advantage . Not coming clean from the beginning was a mistake and all involved were punished for it. I certainly do not think what JT did warrants a lifetime ban from Ohio State or for all of us fans to forget about what he did for the university which is what some of these douche bag national writers think we should do.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
I was trying to find something that I could tell this Detroit Free Press Sports Writer... and this is my exact message. (Not the Justin Bieber part lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I13Wledr8mc
Gene - you should appreciate the tourettes guy editing. made me chuckle.
Who cares... all Tress did was lie to cover up players selling their OWN merchandise for $ and tats. Sounds like a big competitive advantage to me. The NCAA are phuckin' idiots and hypocritical to make all this $$ off these players and in return, won't let them sell their own shit and for much lower than an actual auction price, or sold for actual price would have been?
I was for honoring Jim. He made a mistake, but gave us 10 great years. NCAA already did what they can, so tOSU can do whatever the hell it wants. PHUCK em.
If that celebration bothered this guy I wonder what he will do when Tress makes it into the Hall of Fame?
I would wish the guy some ill will..But he already lives in Detroit, sooo....
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
^This
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Who cares what he thinks.
This dude is an idiot, how he still is working tells you all you need to know about print media. Ignore him would be best, page views keep him employed.
Just another hater. Take a number and get to the back of the line!.lol
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
OSU owning scUM (yet again, like we have since 2000) has brought an influx of walmart wolverines to the boards. SCOREBOARD
You think that's bad? At least we're not Detroit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
f*ck michigan and the walmart wolverines
Thanks for that link. Hilarious!
The scUM fans are here to do just what they are doing on this thread. To tell us how bad OSU may be in various areas. To correct any statements made about scUM by us OSU fans that generally always have nothing good to say about them so what's the point. And to throw in their jabs however they may be veiled. To say they provide any value here is to say you like a good slap across the face. Not to piss anyone off but I don't want to read about scUM here unless we're talking shit about them. No participation trophies. They are here in greater numbers daily it seems. Have to get a bigger shed. And yes, MMan is very good at it.
I hope Thetenyearwar and Pam can agree that the statement was wrong saying that Michigan hasn't honored the Fab 5. Probably would have been best if a provision was stated noting "the entire Fab 5." Each player represents his/her team in all facets.
Beware the sound of one hand clapping.....
If Tressel was not hoisted up by his former players, this would not have been such a big deal.