PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Per Rittenberg on twitter, no Brax to NYC. Klein manziel and Teo invites but not Brax lee or barber. Gap between the top 3 probably just too large
Bummer. Maybe next year.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Agree with DLB... Motivation!
I heard rumblings in the "straw poll" that he was a tie for 4th. FWIW.
ESPN article concerning the trophy. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8706848/heisman-trophy-jo...
~Because we couldn't go for three~
would have been nice to get the invite. In the end, he probably needed a bigger day against Michigan and the stats against Wisc werent great. Braxton will be a favorite next year.
Over Johnny Football? He will be a finalist favorite, but the favorite to win it over someone invited this year is a bold statement.
Agreed. I didnt mean he was THE favorite. I said he would be "a" favorite (I should have clarified - "favorite to be a finalist").
Preseason favorite doesn't always work out too well...Ask Barkley, Denard, Geno Smith, etc.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
To be fair though, DR was never anything more than the September Heisman favorite. Big difference.
ESPN has way too much influence over who gets invited.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
How so? It's based off of the voters. If there is a huge gap between 3 and 4 then they won't invite 4.
They control sports media, that how. When the voters want to get info on who to vote for where do you think they go? Manziel has had a good but certainly not great season but ESPN has been hailing him as the next Tebow ever since the Bama game...
Johnny Manziel threw for 3,419 yds and 24 TD's (68% comp) and rushed for another 1,181 yds (6.4 yds/carrry) and an additional 19 TD's. All totaling 4,600 yards of total offense and 43 touchdowns. The yard total broke Cam Newton's Heisman winning SEC record of 4,327. Manziel is also only the fifth person in the history of college football to throw for over 3k yards and rush for over 1k. In my opinion, that is a great season, when you consider he put up greater numbers than past Heisman winning campaigns (not to mention he accounted for more of his teams offense with these numbers than RGIII, Newton, and Bradford in their winning campaigns). So given that he put up numbers greater than Tebow did as a freshman in the same conference, I'm ok with ESPN hailing him as the next Tebow. That doesn't mean he will have a better career, but at this point, the comparison is applicable.
I agree that he should be threre--and I think he's a beastly player--but I wonder, couldn't some of his success be attributed to Sumlin's system? I mean, he's an airraid coach--Case Keenum became the NCAA's all-time total offense leader in his system--these kind of stats are the norm (if slightly underwhelming, passing-wise) here. It seems that the Heisman trust has been pretty unenthusiastic about "system guys" getting the nod for the award.
Granted, Manziel isn't just a "system guy", he's a dynamic playmaker who runs a high-octane offense (and I suppose you could make the arguement that he's a very similar QB to RGIII). I guess my question then is, where was the love for Weeden last year? Gundy runs an airraid, and coached his team to one less loss than A & M has this year; yet his QB received none of the hype that Geno Smith and Manziel received this year. Granted, this is a pretty "meh" Heisman; I guess I just get irritated about the Heisman trust's skepticism of "system" guys unless they're in the SEC, where they're hailed as the ZOMG GR8ST ATHLETE EVAR CUZ THE SEC BALLZ SO HARD.
The "system guy" variable of any Heisman campaign can be tough to measure. But I pose you these questions. Should a player's Heisman campaign be penalized when a near perfect union of that player's abilities is fit into the perfect system for him? Isn't that a coach's job to find the talent that best fits what he wants to do, and isn't it every recruit's desire to find the system/program that will best showcase their talents? Because of my percieved answers to these questions, and the fact that system guys such as Andre Ware have been rewarded with the Heisman in yesteryear, I have a hard time penalizing the modern player. Coaches will always use their ingenuity in developing different philosophies to gain an advantage, but it will always be reliant on the players' execution for it to succeed. I would say that Johnny Manziel's execution this year was pretty successful.
With the above being said, it could be said that Keenum and Weeden got screwed. Let's look at how that may have happened. I think part of it has to do with the one dimensional nature of their campaigns. Keenum and Weeden's Heisman campaigns were reliant on the numbers they produced through the air, which makes it easier to attribute a higher percentage of the cause to they "system" they were in. When it comes to dual threat quarterbacks, the Heisman trust is less likely to penalize a player because that player generally has to establish they are good at both passing and running, which leads to higher percieved skill and therefore more credit is given to the player than the system.
As a case in point to support the nature of the dual threat QB allowing for more credit given to the player than the system, we can look close to home with Denard Robinson and Urban Meyer. From the player side of things, Denard Robinson put up some great numbers in 2010 under Rich Rodriguez. Denard's passing numbers in 2010 were vastly supirior to his final two seasons and he also had his highest rushing output. People talked about RR's system, but mostly they talked about Denard and how dynamic he was. Clearly after the two years under Hoke, it can be seen that even though Denard is an outstanding player, some of his additional success in 2010 was probably attributable to RR's system. This fact never seemed to hinder his campaign in 2010, but was instead probably mostly derailed by Michigan's win/loss record.
With regards to Urban Meyer, when talking about him, people always talk about his offensive system, being an offensive genius, and yes, he has established at other programs that he has philosiphies that are reliant on a dual threat quarterback (which even if he doesn't have one, his offenses tend to be QB centric), but when we talk about Braxton Miller's Heisman campaign, we never talk about system or concern ourselves with it and how it may derail him from winning the Heisman. We instead talk about whether his body of work merits an invite to NYC and winning it all. Given that Urban has established his own offensive system, ability to put QB's in a position to succeed and that they are a strong focus of his offense, why don't we talk about system and attribute some level of Miller's success to said system? In my opinion, it is because the nature of a dual threat quarterback to highlight skill level in multiple areas keeps the focus on the player over the system
Agreed on a lot of your points. Regarding Brax in NYC, I believe he's a fringe top fiver because of the relative weakness of this Heisman class; he's far too one dimensional to win it until he can put up an efficient 2000/2500+ passing season.
I would agree with your assessment on Brax. His numbers this year can be improved on and are probably only the tip of the iceberg for him. Lucky for him, he will continue to be used in an offensive system that fits his strengths.
As a side note, you were so quick at responding to my post, that it locked me out from being able to come back and run spell check on it after forgetting to on my original submission. Oh well, everyone will just have to live with the typos. Feel free to laugh at my expense.
Agreed. This will just add to the motivation for next year.
Not a big enough UM game... but he will at least be invited next year.
I know it does us no good to do the "Wonder if" game, but I really do have to wonder how this would be different if we had no sanctions this year. I know there is a negative stigma about us, and it has to effect Braxtons chances in my mind.
Hopefully this lights the fire and Urban can let the Braxton out of the cage next year
This is just another slap in the face for this years team. The Buckeyes are getting the shaft despite going undefeated and having a great season. Braxton had no chance to win the Heisman but I felt they could have invited 4 or 5 guys to make it a tiny bit more interesting. I hope this is one more reason for the 2013 Buckeyes to be angry about heading into offseason training. Motivation is key and this just gives Miller a reason to go after it harder next year to improve his craft.
I can just imagine Urban's speech to the team after getting the team handed to him by Mariotti next year after conditioning... I bet it will be epic!
Maybe next year! After he learns to stand still in the pocket longer, read the option better (quicker), secure the football, physically tougher (he is 6'2" and over 220 lbs), etc, etc.
Some need to be more realistic about his overall play the past season. Inconsistent!
With two season under his belt he will be a contender next year.
With our schedule next year, Braxton will need to throw for 40 TD's and run for 30 just to get invited to New York City.GO BUCKS!
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
I hint a little sarcasm in your post, but thinking about Braxton scoring 70+ tds would be amazing.. Urban has always averaged 10+ more points in his second year than his first and this year we averaged 37.2..I'll take 47.2+ points a game next year!!
If Braxton would have finished the season w/ better stats against Wisky and tSun he might have made the voting close enough to where they would invite a 4th player. But oh well, next year he'll be a front runner w/ Manziel. Except next year I expect Millers #s to be around 2800-3000 passing yards and 1200 rushing with around 40 total TDs
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