Here is our 2013 schedule. Notice that we have 2 bye weeks, which kind of blows. Does anyone here know if there are any NCAA rules against us filling one of those bye weeks for a 13 game regular season? If you recall, we had a 13 game regular season schedule in 2002, and we all know how that one turned out!
Anybody know the answer to this one? Thanks.
Here is an article from a Texas A&M site that seems to say it is not really possible because of conference play requirements. THis is for the SEC, but it makes sense* for us as well.
*I think
http://outkickthecoverage.com/ncaa-rule-makes-secs-13-team-schedule-a-virtual-impossibility.php
In 2002 I am pretty sure it was a 12 game regular season plus bowl game. We did not go 14-0 in '02.
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http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/ohio_state/yearly_results.php?year=2000
scroll down to 2002...... 14-0
or
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/194/year/2002/ohio-state-buckeyes
Yes we did. Texas tech, Kent st, Wash st, Cinci, Indiana, Northwestern, San jose st, Wisc, Penn st, Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, tsun, Miami.
That deserves a "come on man!" How can you not remember that? I'm pretty sure OSU was the first team to go 14-0 and win a National Title.
I don't know personally know anyone who counted the Texas Tech game toward our schedule and I don't even remember it. However, I was 10 at the time so who knows.
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I'm pretty sure most people counted the Tech game. It was a somewhat historic game as Clarett became the first true freshman to start at RB in the season opener for Ohio State--this feat was more cherished then than now for obvious reasons. He ran for almost 200 yards and had a few TD's.
What how do you not remember that?? I was only 12/13 when that happened but I can remember everything about the season... pretty sure Clarett had about 175 vs Tech and that's when Kliff Kingsbury was there if I remember right.... then Mo Clarett went for like 232 against Wash. St (who beat USC that year) and USC destroyed Iowa... so those Iowa fans can quit complaining about us not playing that year. Bucks would have rolled through them.
What SC did to Iowa in that Orange Bowl propelled them to 5 dominating years. They were down for a while, and then never looked back. Destroyed Auburn and Arkansas over the next few years and laughed at N Dame.
Our season was impressive in a different way. Our kids willed their way to close win after close win. Jenkins probably converted 5 1st downs where they HAD TO MEASURE and Krenzl "ran" for 3 or 4 like that. GREAT CHARACTER
WOW....all I can say to this above about not knowing OSU's "recent" history....no matter how old you were. Excuses are like what...???? Exactly!
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We did go 14-0 in 2002. I think what happened is that after that year, the NCAA limited regular season games to 12, because of conferences that had championship games. This meant that OSU could no longer have a full 12 game schedule plus a kickoff classic type game.
How exacty did we get 13 games in 2002?
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I posted the explanation below.
Those bye weeks are placed perfectly. It will be nice cuz it gives our guys time to rest and gives our coaches time to make some mid season recruting visits
We got 13 games in 2002 before they changed the rules, which is why ND as an independent only had 12 games... we couldn't do it now otherwise we would finish seasons playing 15 games total w/ the BIG conf championship
Here's how it went down. The NCAA has required for decades that all 'regular season' games be played between the last Saturday in August and the last Saturday in November. From the late 70's to 1999 the NCAA limited the number of regular season games to 11. They, however, also allowed teams to play one 'exempt' pre-season game every four years (i.e. these games would be played before the start of the 'regular season' and wouldn't count against the 11-game limit). These rules let a team play 12-game season every four years.
In 1999, the NCAA decided to allow 12 regular season games for six upcoming seasons (2002, 2003, 2008, 2013, 2014, and 2019). The NCAA chose those seasons because in those years there would be 14 Saturdays between the last Saturday in August and the last Saturday in November. There are usually just 13 Saturdays during this 'regular season' period. Because Ohio State had already scheduled an exempt 'preseason' game for 2002 (the Aug 24th game against Texas Tech), we we're allowed to play 14 games (1 during the 'preseason' 12 during the regular season; and the bowl game). The 2002 season, however, was the last season that the NCAA allowed both 'exempt' preseason games and a 12-game regular season. In 2003, a team that had already scheduled a preseason game would be allowed to play it but it would count toward the 12-game limit.
In 2006, the 12-game season became the norm, with an automatic 'exemption' for a qualifying conference championship. Because, there's an extra weekend in 2013, the Buckeyes and others are forced to taking two off weeks.
Great explanation! Thanks.
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BYU had 15 games in one season. They got to play the pre-season week that is now against the rules (12). They played @ Hawaii and that didn't count against their totals (13). Then they played a conference championship game (14). Add in a Bowl Game, and you have 14-1 season.
I wonder how adding an extra game to your schedule would effect a team's computer rankings. The Conference Championship should, of course, increase strength of schedule, but I wonder what adding a win over a team like Hawaii would do for the Buckeyes.
A lot of the computer rankings used in the BCS are really bad. There are many times when an extra game may hurt you. It's really dumb. A lot of strength of schedule measures will weight the average strength of an opponent. So if you play the best team in the country and the worst, that would be the same as only playing one game against an average opponent. Early in the season when teams have some big differences in number of games played, it might be silly to rate a team poorly just because they played a fewer game, so the average can somewhat make sense. Late in the season, it evens out. Except for the CCG, which absolutely should make your schedule be more impressive. Except that might be *unfair* to the teams without the CCG. I hate CCGs, but if we have them, we have to account for the degree of difficulty it adds to a schedule.
Rather than an average strength of schedule, it really should be calculated through a multiplier. If you play a terrible team, it certainly should not be worse than a BYE (assuming you win). If you beat anyone else, it should clearly be more impressive than a BYE week. RPI is notoriously terrible at doing this, and coaches know how to exploit it. When you have a top basketball team, the worst thing you could do for your RPI is play one of the worst teams. If you play a team who is merely bad (who you might have a 99.9% chance of beating instead of 99.99% chance), your RPI would increase tremendously. Duke knows how to game the system badly because of this.
So many computer rankings don't even know what they are trying to rank, which leads to a lot of terrible results. The ones that due are often crippled by requirements that make those results worthless.
I agree. I think the BCS, if it continues to use computer rankings (especially those with secret proprietary formulas, needs to develop a way to evaluate the rankings. And I think there is a very simply method that would work. Starting with the assumption that the best way to head-to-head competition is the best way to determine which team superior (with maybe a small 'point spread' for home-field advantage), just evaluate each week the success of the ranking system in determining the winner (i.e. if a #20 loses to #30 then that counts as a failure). It would be nice to see how accurate these things are.
There is even some sort of crappy liqour store or something of that nature on the south end of campus on High Street called 14-0. Right by Lucky's.
If you recall, Keith Jackson in his opening of the National Championship game said, "It's called the Horseshoe, down by the Olentangy. At The Ohio State Univeristy, it's home to the Buckeyes, winner of 13 consecutive games in a single season for the first time in 112 years of playing college football"